Titegroup

[area51]

Anyone has positive experiences with this powder ? I use w231 for pretty much all my pistol calibers except in the Magnums where I use aa#9.

 

[coalman]

It's fast, like Bullseye and Clays. Good fire dirt. I prefer Unique and Bullseye, and 231.

 

[JoeDaddy]

Its a clean powder, meters well, very economical, very dense, not position sensitive. But dayum, because its so dense it barely fills many cases. Be extra vigilant with this one.

It will not give you top performance of many calibers, but makes fantastic reduced to mid range loads.

 

[2ndtimer]

I have used quite a bit of it for mild loads in .38 spec., 357 Mag. and 9mm. Very clean burning with jacketed bullets in 9mm.

 

[readyeddy]

I've read elsewhere to avoid TG. They say it's unforgiving.

 

[Otto]

Well...it burns way too hot, stains the brass, smokes the hell out of lead, snappy recoil, dirty and has a reputation for blowing up guns....other than that, it's ok.

 

[Crashbox]

I like TG for medium-strength .357 jacketed rounds. It burns clean IMO and meters well as JoeDaddy points out but any residue it does leave on my firearm seems almost like a thermoset polymer, not too easy to remove. It does have a rather narrow window of satisfactory operation, definitely avoid pushing this one too hard. And, yes, it burns HOT- I only use it with jacketed bullets.

FWIW, TiteGroup was the very first powder I learned to reload with.

 

[cemjr]

I use it for 9mm & 380 under berrys plated bullets.

"FWIW, TiteGroup was the very first powder I learned to reload with." me too

 

[evan price]

Great for mid range target revolver loads. Won't give full Magnum velocities but will get you 90%. I use it in almost everything. It is not the best for lead loads because it scorches the bullet base without a gas check. It is also physically hot being the highest proportion of nitro in a pistol powder iirc, and it will make your gun and brass HOT. Very good for big revolver cartridges because you don't need wadding to keep the powder on the primer.

I save the AA#9 for real magnums.

 

[Walkalong]

not position sensitive.

Hodgdon should really stop that. It is average at best in that area when it comes to velocities produced.

High Nitro content. Burns hot. Some makers say not to use it with lead. Some folks do anyway and like it. Some have trouble. Economical due to high energy content. Tends to scorch brass.

Some love it, some don't. Better options in my opinion.

 

[LiveLife]

For me, Titegroup produces very accurate jacketed/plated target loads - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7266869#post7266869

But due to narrow start/max charge range that can be spikey with chamber pressures, I don't recommend Titegroup for new reloaders, lead loads or 40S&W.

Here are some other opinions - http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=134972

Red Ryder - Am I the only reloader that thinks Titegroup sucks. It's cheap...but that's all it has going for itself. It's dirty, especially at lower power factors. It doesn't fill the case up very much at all (I think this is a safety issue). It is very "snappy" with increased felt recoil. In my personal testing, I had to load it to almost 140 PF to get decent accuracy from it.

Otto - I don't care for it...burns too hot, stains the brass, excessive recoil and was less accurate in my 1911s.

SLM - I burnt a pound when I shot Production and like you found it to be quite dirty and it put a bunch of heat in the gun. I got it to minor PF under 147's without issue as long as I used jacketed bullets. I couldn't get it to work with lead or moly coated. They would tumble.

Skydiver - You are right on the money about the gun being "hot" after a fast 32 round stage ... I found TiteGroup much too snappy for .40 180gn bullets. Also snappy for .45 200gn bullets

blaster113 - I'm another one thats underwhelmed by Titegroup. I tried a little of it in 9mm minor with 124 grain bullets and found that it had more recoil than my other powders on hand. I've used alot of it for .40 major and didnt care for it at all. For the same PF as N320 it kicks much harder, makes the gun get hot real quick and is dirty.

mlmiller1 - I tried it repeatedly & never got any results that I liked, either. I moved on & sold what I had left.

59Bassman - I like it in 9mm ... However, out of my 1911 in .45ACP, I've fallen out of love with it. I used to shoot WST, then switched to TG under a 200 LSWC. Everything was fine until I had to shoot a long array on a stage with no wind. By the 10th shot, I couldn't see the targets anymore. I'll be looking for another powder in .45

shred - I've also found it to run very hot in most loads.

CZinSC - Another former Tightgroup user here ... My analogy I give people is this: (shooting 124 FMJ) TG is like catching a baseball in a glove straight on the palm. N320 is like catching the ball in the webbing. Both do the job, but N320 feels a lot better.

gm iprod - Dirty, but it is just a carbon / soot fouling that comes away easy enough. Hot, yep, that is true, but no nasty hot, just hotter than many like.

RePete - I don't like TG in .40S&W and .45ACP with lead bullets. IMO it burns too hot and melts the bullet base creating more leading in the barrel.

CocoBolo - TiteGroup don't suck, just because it is violent, nasty dirty, overheats your gun, smokes like burning the sugar cane in mexico, well maybe you right. I tried it I quit it, there are lots of better alternatives.

Miker - I didnt like it last time I tried lead bullets as it produced a lot of smoke compared to jacketed bullets

 

[7075-T7]

I've used it in 44 magnum with lead bullets and found that it smoked less than Unique (for me) with reasonable accuracy. But, it is a pinch sized unit of powder for a large case so mistakes are not easy to see.

 

[JRI]

It makes good rose and garden fertilizer. Thats all I've found it good for.

 

[Sport45]

I used a lot of it for .45acp and .38 special cast bullet loads when lowest cost per round was my main criteria. It worked fine for me.

I haven't bought any for a long time and use Unique and noe Universal instead.

(Whoever said Universal meters much better than Unique never tried it in any of my measures.)

 

[area51]

CocoBolo - TiteGroup don't suck, just because it is violent, nasty dirty, overheats your gun, smokes like burning the sugar cane in mexico, well maybe you right. I tried it I quit it, there are lots of better alternatives.

It makes good rose and garden fertilizer. Thats all I've found it good for.

Ouch !! Better stick with 231... A buddy gave me about 1/2 a pound to try.

 

[THe Dove]

From what I've seen in the threads on various sites, Titegroup is alot like my OU Sooners football team. Either you love it/them or hate it/them........ I love both. I like Titegroup because it works for what I use it for and my application. I like the Sooners because I was born to.

The Dove

 

[zxcvbob]

I have a 1/2 pound of it left and am not sure what todo with it to use it up.

For the same burn rate, I much prefer International in low pressure cartridges and Green Dot in high pressure. The TG might be good in .380 using plated bullets, and I need to load some of those. Gonna take a long time to burn up a half a pound 3 grains at a time...

 

[Huskerguy]

I started reloading with Red Dot many years ago, quite reloaded and a few years ago started back up again. I have been using TG after much reading. I use it in 30 spcl with both lead and jacketed, 9mm in both, 40 S&W in both. I keep the loads at the low end simply because I don't have the desire to load hot. I have also tested HS-6 and my old Red Dot at the same time and always have felt the recoil of TG was less, much less than factory that is for certain. I also have found it to be extremely accurate. The downside of not much difference between the low and high ends is a concern, but isn't everything in reloading?

 

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I also started with TG in 9mm. I has worked good for plated and jacketed round. It also seemed to smoke more in my cast loads so I switched to hp38 way back when. Now I mostly use bullseye and hp38 in all my pistol loads except for the speciality stuff.

 

[Hondo 60]

I've used a LOT of Tite Group over the last 3 years.
But I'm finding better powders for some applications.

For 38 Special & 44 Special it works Great with Berry's bullets.
But it's very smokey with lead pills.

In 357 Mag, it's OK, but you certainly don't get magnum performance (fps)
If I get 900-950 that's about it.
There's a whole host of powders that do better.

 

[showmebob]

I use it for low power 380, 9, 357, 40 all jacketed or plated. Works just fine for me.

 

[gahunter12]

Ouch !! Better stick with 231... A buddy gave me about 1/2 a pound to try.

What are you loading? I like W231 myself, but have since fallen in love with WST. I load all my 45acp, and 40s&w loads with WST. I have noticed that WST is cleaner than W231 and produces less smoke behind lead bullets. I still use W231 for 38spl, but WST for everything else.

 

[justsoIcanupvotethis]

I guess maybe I am just a dumbass. I am fairly new to reloading and Titegroup is all I have ever loaded with for pistols. I like it, I like that it does not fill the case. That tends to make me pay that much more attention to what I am doing. I charge each case and add a bullet by hand then seat them all (usualy 50) at once.

Berry's 200 grain HP and 5.0 of Titegroup is an amazingly accurate load for me in 45acp. I havent quite found the same thing for 9mm yet but I am still trying. Using Berry's 124 grain HP there too.

 

[JRI]

Berry's 200 grain HP and 5.0 of Titegroup is an amazingly accurate load for me in 45acp

I use 4.6 grains of Bullseye with a 200 grain LSWC,very accurate,and I've used that load for close to 38yrs now,so no reason for me to change.

 

[area51]

What are you loading? I like W231 myself, but have since fallen in love with WST. I load all my 45acp, and 40s&w loads with WST. I have noticed that WST is cleaner than W231 and produces less smoke behind lead bullets. I still use W231 for 38spl, but WST for everything else.

Good to know. I'll have to try some. I use 231 for 9, 38spcl, 45acp. For my Magnum loads, use aa#9. Kinda new @ this so I want to experiment with some Bullseye and other powders.
Wish the manufactures would sell a "combo kit" with a variety of powders. Like 4 different powders packaged in 4oz bottles. Would that be cool or what ?