To lock up your guns or not

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No longer any kids in my house, but I still like to keep my nightstand gun locked away during the day.

Since I'm not comfortable with either battery powered or combination locks, I use one with a key lock.


The key is ALWAYS hanging around my neck.


Ace hardware or Home Depot sell bead-chain (? the kind of chain used in ceiling fan pulls), and clasp, stainless steel, for under $4. I use enough chain to just fit over my head so I can remove it without opening the clasp (takes needle-nosed pliers).


I learned not to use aluminum chain 'cause sweat corrodes it and after 1-2 years, you can lose your keys.


Works fine for me.




matis
 
I choose not to lock them up when I'm home, and the youngest in my house is about two years old. Excluding my GSD, the youngest is 12 and familiar with the four rules.

If I were in your situation, I would go with a fast access safe, I plan on picking one up soon anyway (I think there is something in the water, it seems like everyone is getting pregnant).
 
Lock it up. The kids WILL find it, hopefully they'll remember the rules that I'm sure you've taught them, but they are kids, so don't count on anything. LOCK IT UP.
 
I just bought a Stackon

it's not a safe but it works pretty good, even though I live alone I want the guns locked up when I'm not home.
It's not as burglar proof as a safe but with a couple cases of ammo per rifle and pistol nobody will be carrying it anywhere.
I allways ccw and open it at night.

So to answer your question either lock it up or carry it.
 
There's a possible alternative that I don't remember being mentioned in any posts on keeping a gun safely secured with children in the house.

Use a glass topped single gun display case that has a lock and keep the gun in it. Much like a fire alarm box you can "break glass in an emergency", but it keeps the weapon secure against curious or casual prying. Children that are well behaved will not destroy the box to get to the gun. Children that would are going to require a security safe.
 
Children that are well behaved will not destroy the box to get to the gun. Children that would are going to require a security safe.

Hopefully the difference between the two will not be realized when you come home to find brains spattered on the wall.

A childhood friend of mine's life ended at 13 when his not so well behaved/trained friend shot him in the head with his own dad's gun.
Say what you will about rules, training, discipline, whatever - you may be right, but the kid is still dead.
 
It bears repeating.

It's not just your kids, it's anyone that is in your home when you're not there to control your gun that you need to consider when thinking about access/storage issues.

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Torpid, not everyone can open a push button safe in 2 seconds under extreme stress of having someone kick in your door in the middle of the night and start running through the house or coming after you, or waking up to the sound of your kid screaming that there is someone in the house after them, etc...
 
Torpid, not everyone can open a push button safe in 2 seconds under extreme stress of having someone kick in your door in the middle of the night and start running through the house or coming after you, or waking up to the sound of your kid screaming that there is someone in the house after them, etc...

Then home carry on your person if that's a factor for you.

As for safes, you can chose and set the safe combination yourself and drill, drill, drill until it's second nature. That's the route I've chosen, and I feel comfortable and proficient with it.

There are even instant-opening biometric safes that read your fingerprints that you could look into if keypad training is an issue for you. I prefer to keep it purely mechanical, myself.

As for having people running through your house in the middle of the night, I suggest alarms- even the very inexpensive motion sensored ones and budget window/door ones (check batteries often). They provide a decent heads-up at the minimum.

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ponyboy said:
i have been an leo for 20 yrs. i have always had a loaded gun laying around. first you have to educate your children. this will not happen over nite. i started teaching my kids about 4-5 yoa. when i bought a new gun they wanted to see it. i made sure it was unloaded and showed them how to check it. i would let them play with it. this took the curosity of the gun away from them. as they got older i could come in a lay my gun on a counter and it would never be touched. if it needed to be moved they would come and tell me. now i am teaching my grand children. a lot of people will call this stupid. but i think it taught them how and what a gun can do. again the main point is education.....

I have to agree with this sentiment. My first gun after my daughter was born was a 12 Ga shotgun. Around the age of two, she demonstrated an interest in the gun. At that point, I decided I should start teaching her about the dangers of messing with Dad's guns. She has made it the ripe age of 17, so far, without incident,and I began teaching her to shoot around the age of 15. Parental responsibility doesn't stop at just locking things up. I could always get into locked things when I was a kid. I grew up with guns in the house and always knew where they were. Even at the age of 48, I have yet to have point a gun at anybody and I hope I never HAVE to. (That includes 20 years of service in "Uncle Sam's Big Grey Boat Club")
 
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2221464

I have 2 of these, and I am happy with them. You can open with an electronic 4-key keypad (uses batteries), or with a key. When door pops open a light comes on and stays lit for a few seconds. Safe has 2 shelves. You can bolt down the base if you want, and the safe itself is easily removed from the base. Safe is deep enough for a Springfield .45 pistol with a 5" barrel (that is longer in length due to a bushing compensator). It is also deep enough for an old model Charter Arms Pathfinder with a 6" barrel.
 
All but my carry pistol are locked in the safe. The carry piece is always on my hip, or within arms reach. When the grandkids are around it is always on my hip.
 
ponyboy said:
i have been an leo for 20 yrs. i have always had a loaded gun laying around. first you have to educate your children. this will not happen over nite. i started teaching my kids about 4-5 yoa. when i bought a new gun they wanted to see it. i made sure it was unloaded and showed them how to check it. i would let them play with it. this took the curosity of the gun away from them. as they got older i could come in a lay my gun on a counter and it would never be touched. if it needed to be moved they would come and tell me. now i am teaching my grand children. a lot of people will call this stupid. but i think it taught them how and what a gun can do. again the main point is education.....


+1000

Until my Dad retired, he would come home every night, set his briefcase at the foot of the stairs, unstrap his ankle holster, and set his P9S on the bar.
It wasn't wierd or scary or tempting to touch. Why? Because he made it clear to us what the ramifications would be if we ever touched his or any other pistol at any other house without his and only his approval.

It was really obvious that I was interested in guns, and every once in a while he would ask me to come out and help clean, or if he brought home something new he would wait till my mom went to bed and bring it out for show and tell, both of these as rewards for being responsible I assume.

It was a really good tradeoff and it was one that even as a young kid I could completely understand. Messing with Dad's gun was something that was far different than telling a lie, or doing something bad on the playground.

Whether you get a safe or not (and for the record I think they have their place for some) the most important thing you can do is set these ground rules.
 
except for my wife's and my carry guns, all guns are in the safe. carry guns are always with us, yes even when bathing. shotgun come out when we get home, and gets locked up in the morning. our daughter know not to touch any gun anywhere unless we're there, but if her friends come over here i don't want any accidents.
 
...the most important thing you can do is set these ground rules.

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Experience has shown me that treating anything like "forbidden fruit" is a bad idea. The naive concept that you should have no education about something until you reach a "magical" age is a recipe for big problems in my opinion.

With firearms I think it is important to demystify them and set a good example for folks with no prior experience with them (not just youngins'). If you don't educate folks about gun use, then tv and movies will fill that void... :uhoh:

I look at safes as an extra measure of safety on top of education and discipline, and also a barrier to access for the curious visitors of any age (invited or not) who shouldn't touch my gun while I'm away.


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First, you need to "gun proof" your children as ponyboy suggested, because even if your gun is locked up there is a good possibility of your child someday somewhere coming across an unsecured firearm.

Second, you need a home defense plan - more than a gun in a closet. Even that is going to be too far in the middle of the night if you really need it. Have you thought out just what your reaction will be to breaking glass or a bump in the night...?

Is your spouse alone with the children when you are gone? If so, will she have access (and willingness) to use a gun to defend them while you are gone?

There is no reason why you or your spouse cannot carry at home even in a no-ccw state. At night, maybe keep it under your pillow or in some kind of pouch between mattress and wall. You might have to move it from safe (any lockable cabinent) to on-person carry to nightime position and back to safe in a 24 hr period.
 
I keep mine locked up , except for one carry gun that I stash when in the House which is not often.
 
Hi torpid & kentak-

Thanks for the feedback on how the quick-access safes have a great "lockout" feature and can also use any (but not necessarily all) of the numbers in the more traditional type of safe. I'll have to do some searches on THR to see all the quick-access handgun safe options. It's a great thing to have whether kids are in the picture or not.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
This is a very touchy subject indeed. I have a new baby that is less then 2 weeks old. Here are some things to consider.

Small children do not have the strength to operate the slide to load a round into the chamber(assuming you keep the chamber empty like I do).

Extremely strong discipline regarding firearms as well as constant supervision of handling firearms is worth more then just a don't touch a gun ever.

In this day and age there is the ever increasing possibility your child may come accross a loaded and ready to go handgun on the street.

Some people say a child should know nothing about guns, but this is a ludicrous statement and only asking for your child and other childrens death. The bare minimum is pounding basic firearm handling and safety into your child's head.

For a ready safe, a fingerprint identity safe is the best way to go for next to the bed, but does little if it ain't bolted down inthe event of a burglery. Once they get it home an acetaline torch will take 10-15 minutes to get it open at their leasure. A former friend of mine has a 9 year old son. His son loves to go out shooting with him. He can also leave his guns safely lying around. His son completely understands that unless he knows it to be one of his own toy guns, it is most likely real no matter how it looks, and to leave it alone, unless defending his own life.

There have been thousands of cases you do not hear about of young children, retreiving deceased dads or deceased grampa's guns and shooting an armed intruder threataning their life or the life of their mother or grandmother. So keep this in mind as well. How much faith do you have in your children? Not suggesting that you keep loaded guns lying around the house, thats just insane. However if your child is ever left alone with mom or anything, them being able to access a firearm they know how to use could just save some lives. There isn't just one solution to it. You have to base it on the situation. My plans with my children are as follows.

They get to start with a nerf. They will know firearm safety. When they can demonstrate proper safety with the nerf, they get to move onto airsoft. Then bb, then .22, then larger firearms. If at any time even at age 16 they fail in any practice of firearm safety, they get dropped back to nerf, as well as a severe grounding(boredom grounding, 2 months, no tv, no computer unless required for schoolwork, no games, no friends, no reading, just sitting on their bed staring at the wall). Accessability depends upon what kind of behaviour they domonstrate, even if I am not home(home surveilance). This may not be appropriate for all situations though.

Pardon any spelling errors it's late, I'm tired, and baby is distracting me. Cute little bugger he is.

Rev. Michael

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While I don't believe in striking kids for general punishment I DO believe there is a place for it. Coming home past curfew isn't one of them. Crossing the busy street is. Ramification of touching a gun without express permission and without self defense, is a severe ass whupping. Call iot child abuse if you want, tough sh|t. My kid's ass will be red and very sore.

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Regarding people besides children that may or may not live with you, this is my solution for MY PARTICULAR SITUATION! My carry gun is on me at all times, public or at home. Everyone who visits or lives here knows this. My rifle and shotgun are on the wall on full display in my bedroom. My child is only 11 days old today so this is not yet an issue, and I don't allow other children into the bedroom without my supervision. It is also common knowlege for those who live with me(other then my fiance), and those who visit, if touch one of my firearms without authorization, it is illegal, and would appear you are attempting to retrieve it to cause me or my family great bodily harm or death, and I WILL act appropriately and within the law. Which means here, I will draw on you and give you warning to put it down. You are in my house with my firearm in your hand and you are not authorized to be in contact with it let alone holding it. Any moves towards me or any othe rthen putting it down will result dire consequences(within confines of the law of course). I do have some rather uppety visitors at times, who beg if they may touch, and my reply is more often then not a stern no. At which time they don't want to even be within arms reach. They know better.
 
looks like it's time for the "Mary Carpenter" Letter

every gun owner and parent should read this
http://www.grnc.org/mary_carpenter_letter.htm

The Mary Carpenter Letter


Mary Carpenter
April 20,2001

North Carolina General Assembly
To Whom It May Concern,

To my understanding you are debating the passage of laws requiring trigger locks and mandatory storage of guns. I am a second generation resident of the State of California, a mother and a grieving grandmother. I wish to express to you how trigger locks and mandatory storage laws in the State of California affected my family. I hope my testimony may save someone in your state from sharing the pain we must now endure for the remainder of our lives. No law you can pass will keep the irresponsible from shooting accidents or a felon from stealing a gun. I am enclosing a portion of a letter I wrote to my own state legislators concerning the constant progression of laws restricting our guns in my state.

Depending on whether or not you truly care, you may or may not recognize my name. I am the paternal grandmother of the two children who were brutally murdered inside their rural Merced California home on August 23, 2000 by a stranger with a pitchfork.

Instead of suing gun manufacturers, I am of the opinion it is our lawmakers who need to be sued. It was you who created the laws that kept my grandchildren from being able to defend themselves with any weapon greater than their bare hands. All of my son's children had been trained in the use of firearms but were unable to get to their Dad's weapon because of California State Law.

You, who have CCW permits or armed body guards, or both expect me to face a society gone mad because of drug altered brains and lax laws on the perpetrators of crime? You had no room in your prisons for the killer of my grandchildren though his wife had reported to the police in Mojave California in June of 1997 that he had forced her and their infant son into his car (kidnapping) while living in southern California? At that time she also reported how she had managed to escape from him in Mojave after he held a gun to her head (assault with a deadly weapon) threatening to kill her and their one-month-old child?

Though more recently she had given to the Dos Palos California Police Dept. the tape from her message minder threatening to kill her present husband? Though he had assaulted a police officer while resisting arrest for drug charges? Though he had violated his parole by not appearing at his hearing and they had a warrant out for his arrest? Though they knew where he lived, and also his mother and grandmother, yet failed to pick him up? Will you then find room for my son in your prisons should his fourteen year old daughter have access to his gun while she is babysitting her siblings?

There is a growing list, in my area alone, of people (mostly women) who might still be alive had they not been in a state where the use of a gun was prohibited.

Juli Sund, Carole Sund, Selvina Pelosso, Joie Armstrong, Ashley and John William Carpenter to name a few. Lawmakers talk big about a woman's right to choose yet don't allow me the very basic right to choose to defend myself? If teachers were allowed to carry a concealed weapon to school you would see the school shootings disappear. The same is true with the citizen on the street. The reason is, these killers are cowards. You can tell by their choice of victims. They operate best where they know there are no guns.

Look at your child tonight and imagine him or her with their eyes jabbed out, their skulls splintered, their brains pierced, and their spines broken with the heavy tines of a spading fork. In defending her sisters to the death with the only weapon you allowed her, Ashley had 138 puncture wounds. Twenty-nine of them were on the right side of her face, five on the back of her head, and thirty-seven to her chest and lower neck. (Obviously he was trying to behead her.) She was nine years old. While committing no crime greater than sleeping in his parents bed, in his own house, John William, 7 years old, was stabbed 46 times, with most of them in the chest, neck, and head. Depending on the condition of your heart, you may or may not feel a small measure of the pain my family and I must endure for the remainder of our lives.

Now, imagine all the gun laws you can dream up and honestly admit whether or not they would have stopped such a mad dog as this. This man was a total stranger to the family, and other than a trace of marijuana, was not on drugs at the time. However, by the testimony of his wife and girlfriend, he was a drug user who became frightening whenever he used them. All your imagined gun laws will do is insure someone's children will die again. Take a drive downtown and see for yourself all the drug addled brains.

You may declare gun free zones, but you cannot declare killer free zones. This tragedy has made me realize I am not even safe in my locked home, my barn, or my backyard. I dare you to request the autopsy reports of John William & Ashley Danielle Carpenter done on August 28,2000 from Sheriff Tom Sawyer of the Merced County Sheriffs Dept. Also ask him for the police interview with the killer's wife and girlfriend telling about his drug use and devil worship. Ask Detective Parsley about his fetish for horror movies produced by a John Carpenter, (no relation to us), and one he especially liked, that we have learned depicts a killing done with a pitchfork.

His last employment was as a telemarketer in Merced. If you have an honest bone in your body you will see this country is in desperate need of a change of heart not the gun laws that have been in place for over two hundred years. All the gun laws you can imagine cannot change the heart of a killer and you know it. Until man's heart is changed, we will be like sheep led to the slaughter without our weapons of defense.

May you stand before God and man as my two precious grandchildren's killer if you pass any more gun legislation that will make me a felon should I own a handgun or any other gun for that matter.

Sincerely,

Mary Carpenter
 
I lock up everything period. The only thing that isn't locked up in one of the safes is my .45 which I carry daily. That also is locked up when the Girl friend is over with her child. Just me in the house the .45 is out and loaded.
My biggest fear is some one breaking into the house and stealing a gun and using it to kill an innocent person or child. Remember most criminals get their guns from stupid people who don't lock them up.
What never fails to amaze me is people who have 3K, 4K, 5K or more dollars in guns that will not get off a buck and spend a few hundred dollars to protect their collections with a decent safe.:banghead:
 
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