Keep your guns locked up and way from ammo!

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Quick-access safes for defense guns are available.
Just put a handgun safe under the bed where you can drop your arm down and reach the buttons to get at it. Then lock up the rest of them. You'll only need one gun anyway. And when it comes to doing what they shouldn't, 2 years olds are smarter then Einstein.
 
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a nice secure cabinet for reloading supplies

... is what my dad failed to have, so his son progressively experimented ... and amazingly didn't blow anyone up.

Yes, that lesson isn't lost on me either......
 
I would rather have 100% safety for my child than 99.9% safety. Therefore I would not leave any loaded firearms around, chambered rounds or not, where he could get to them. This includes him taking a chair and using it to stand on to reach high places, which I did all the time when I was a tot. My son seems naturally inclined to try to take things apart and fiddle with gadgets. He could remove the battery cover on the TV remote when he was less than 18 months. I would get a quick-access safe for any loaded gun I wanted to keep handy.
 
Lock 'em up, but keep 'em handy.

Do you EVER have kids or teens in the house? Ever? Nephews, nieces, cousins, etc? Neighbor kid ever get paid to cut the grass and "need" to use the facilities?

So many ways a kid/teen can maybe be in the house, find a gun, and then your world changes forever.

My own dad kept a .357 S&W in a "safe" drawer supposedly too high up for a kid to reach into. One day, Mom is cleaning and finds a kids cushy ball or some such in that same drawer. One of my kiddos put it in there for safe keeping. Could she have fired it? No, not likely. But she could certainly have carried and dropped it. As we live in Texas, dad actually committted a crime here by having a firearm where a kid could access it.

My shottie has a compression lock on the trigger I can remove in less than 1 second. My bed stand gun is in a keyless box I can open in the dark (by feel) in a heartbeat.

Invest another $200. It's for the children. Really.:banghead:
 
I would rather have 100% safety for my child than 99.9% safety. Therefore I would not leave any loaded firearms around, chambered rounds or not, where he could get to them. This includes him taking a chair and using it to stand on to reach high places, which I did all the time when I was a tot. My son seems naturally inclined to try to take things apart and fiddle with gadgets. He could remove the battery cover on the TV remote when he was less than 18 months. I would get a quick-access safe for any loaded gun I wanted to keep handy.

We have a 9 month old boy as well. My rifles and shotguns are kept in a rifle safe. There is one AR mag loaded and the Remington 870 has 5 shells on the buttstock. My son will never know the combo until he is a young adult.

My pistols are a bit different. I keep a Beretta PX4 in a gunvault next to my bed. The mag is loaded, but not chambered and the safety is on. If I ever had to grab it, I just know I have to chamber a round. My wife's side of the bed has a S&W K frame loaded in a V-Line safe. Same deal with the combo. My other pistols sit in two pistol safes bolted in the closet. The 9MM's are in one, with the .38 ammo in them, and the revolvers are in the other, with the 9MM ammo in them. To load them, you would have to open BOTH safes.

I'll probably change things as he gets older, but I agree with one thing. If they're not going to be used for defense, keep them unloaded and the ammo away from the guns.
 
Kids will suprise you. Look at accidental discharge of .45 on YouTube. I couldn't get on right now to post a link for some reason but you will know it when you see it.
 
I have four kids, all grown, but all were raised with guns accessible. Since you can't actually child-proof a gun, the only alternative is to gun-proof the child. Those too young to comprehend are kept out of the loop. Those old enough to understand are shown, graphically, what guns are capable of. (Blowing up a cantaloupe is a good way to get their attention, tell them to pretend it's their head, then let fly. They WILL remember that!)

Beat the safety rules into them from the time they understand language. It pays off.

Teach them all guns are always loaded, unless a grownup clears them. In time they become responsible enough to do it themselves.

Let them handle, manipulate and dry-fire any gun they can. It removes the "Forbidden Fruit" aspect. I let my kids handle any gun, any time (within reason), and made them show me the safety features, and the proper method of opening/checking/clearing each weapon. My kids took great pride in knowing how.

Once they've demonstrated that they can safely handle the weapons and understand the safety rules (ESPECIALLY Muzzle awareness!) take them shooting. Once they see how the guns feel and react, they understand even better. The one rule I beat into my kids from day one was No Touching The Trigger Until The Sights Are On Target. If they follow that one all the time, there is a lot less to worrry about!

Shooting is a great family activity. It teaches responsibility, safety, and independence, among other things. Enjoy those little kids......in about twenty minutes they'll be asking to borrow the car...........:rolleyes:

Papajohn
 
Well said, Papajohn.

But even so, its important to add redundant layers of safety because even the best-behaved kids get "good ideas" that, in their undeveloped minds, are perfectly reasonable, logical, and sensible. They simply don't have the mature judgment and discretion to foresee all the potential consequences. :)
 
Well said, Papajohn.

But even so, its important to add redundant layers of safety because even the best-behaved kids get "good ideas" that, in their undeveloped minds, are perfectly reasonable, logical, and sensible. They simply don't have the mature judgment and discretion to foresee all the potential consequences.


I too have to agree with Papajohn. My kids(like I did) have grown up with guns and have seen by the game I have brought home and cleaned in the garage with them at my side the damage they do. They also have been taught how to safely handle and shoot every gun in the house since the time they were old/big enough to handle them. Just a coupla weekend ago I had the youngest try and decock my old .32 special with gloves on just to prove a point. Pointed in a safe direction and blowing a biigazz hole in the ground proved the point better than all the words I had used before that.

That said, I still don't invite trouble be leaving loaded guns laying around the house. Guns have their place, ammo has it's place and the HD shotty has it's place under the bed.
 
"They simply don't have the mature judgment and discretion to foresee all the potential consequences".

3KBs, I agree. But I was a rotten kid, sneaky and devious, and I know how their minds think of evil things to do. So I was very careful to point out that I understood those urges, and then I pointed out the potential consequences in graphic detail. Starting with the "Maybe nothing really bad happens" thing, and ending with the "suppose you accidently shot your best friend...." scenario, to include the police, the local prosecutor, and the local slammer. Then I reminded them that they could handle and dry-fire them any time they wanted, all they had to do was ask. Apparently it worked. They understand consequences pretty well.

Both my sons became my shooting buddies, both daughters eventually got bored with it all and moved on. All four kids are good shooters, and enjoy it, but not as much as I do, except for the youngest. He's as nutty as I am, and while he loves shooting my AR-15, I think his biggest gut-rush was blowing holes in stuff with my 375. He's also a GOOD pistol shot, and he ought to be.........he's been shooting since he was 3, and he was pretty good even then! I wonder where he gets it................;)

BTW, the 22's are GREAT teaching tools........better stock up on ammo!

PJ
 
I didntread all posts so perhaps this was mentioned.

get one of those vaults and mount it somewhere convenient. Loaded ready to go guns can then be stored in them. Wife and you can have seperate pass codes or some have print readers. Nothing better than that-for the next 20 yrs.
 
everybody thinks what they are doing is the right way to do it. all i will say is this. do what you can live with. but try to imagine how you will feel if junior finds and does manage to get a round off. think about what WILL happen, all of it. then let your concience be your guide! personally, i think you will find that almost everyone is going to tell you that you somehow have to keep ALL your guns away from junior. and i agree. how you do it, is up to you. again, personally, i think a safe of some sort is in order. but that is up to you. i can't imagine living without my kids, or wife!
 
I grew up around firearms. I was the oldest of 6 kids, and we were all taught firearms safety, handling, and actual shooting as early as we were able to be taught. I was shooting a ruger single six, and a 10/22 at 4 years of age, no exaggeration. There was always a 1911, cocked and locked under mom and dad's bed. We knew it was there, and it was the weapon we were taught to use after the 22's. We were also warned to never touch it, play with it or show it to friends without dad there. I'm not gonna lie, there were times I was home alone that I'd take it out of its holster, smell the leather,feel those walnut grips, never taking it off safe or doing anything dumb. I was just enamored with that pistol, and still am to this day. I would always wipe a little oil on it and put it back so dad didn't know what I'd done, but let's be honest-I'm sure some of you did the same thing.
 
Everyone = obvious antis like the news, my son's pediatrician
Next pediatrician visit, ask him/her what makes them an expert on gun safety and if they realize that as a medical professional giving professional advice, that they become liable for any injuries resulting from said advice.

Recommending you separate your ammo from your firearm is like recommending you lock up asthma meds or heart meds to prevent overdose. If you can't get to the meds in time because you can't find the key, asthma attack becomes death, chest pain becomes death. The pediatrician obviously would recommend "safe storage" for meds vs storage that could lead to injury or death. There are also many forms of firearm storage that are both safe and leave you adequate access in times of need. They should be just as well informed about firearms or keep their mouth shut.
 
Keyword...your the responsible person.Gun safe...or secured hidden spaces.


My kids are all flown from the roost,but I did keep all guns locked up and away,now,even in the gunsafes most all firearms are...well the best way to put it...armed!The only 2 who have any kind of 'real access' is the wife and I,but as a parent and a friend who has children that oftimes visits'...secure gunsafes...
 
"Recommending you separate your ammo from your firearm is like recommending you lock up asthma meds or heart meds to prevent overdose."

+1

I have several S&W Model 10 revolvers loose in this house. A handgun is in my possession 24/7. My AR15 is loaded in the bedroom. Twice in my lifetime I have had to protect my family from gun armed home invaders. Guns in any kind of safe would have meant that my family and I would all be dead.
 
Next pediatrician visit, ask him/her what makes them an expert on gun safety and if they realize that as a medical professional giving professional advice, that they become liable for any injuries resulting from said advice.
Our children's pediatrician is a "gun guy" In fact, I shot with him today. It all depends on the doctor.
 
If you guys are going to start saying that guns kill people again. Then my keyboard is at fault for all the mispelled words that i type. So there.
 
If you guys are going to start saying that guns kill people again.

"No husbands that come home early do!" LTCG :D Could not resist.

In all seriousness, it not about the guns loading themselves and shooting someone, it's about children's access to them before the kids are responsible enough to be safe 110% of the time. Curiousity can be dangerous when it involves firearms. Keep your HD firearms at the ready where you can get to them quickly, but keep the rest out of reach of the kids. And if they do get in the safe, if there is no ammo to load the worst they can do is pistol whip someone. Redundent safety mechanisms are a must around children.
 
I think if you polled this group you'd find that the older guys, that have already raised kids, are the ones opting for the safes. We've already experienced just how good kids are at getting into things that we don't want them to get at. You likely only need one gun for HD and that can go in a quickly opened safe. The others I would lock up as tight as you can. High places and great hiding spots don't slow a 3 year old down a bit. They have good brains and unlimited time to get into mischief.
 
As soon as your kid is old enough to understand simple instructions, take him to the gun room and TEACH him not to touch, do this often and let them handle them to help curb their curiosity. I have had guns and kids around this house for twenty five year and never a problem. Guns and kids, it's really not as a difficult situation as some people would lead you to believe.

RH
 
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