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TOC for 243 Win w/ Speer 85 gr BT spitzer

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TOC for 243 Win w/ Speer 85 gr BT spitzer - update.

I appreciate a reply if you have the info.

thanks.

UPDATE:
I mean Over All Length ... This is being used in an Encore Pro Hunter with 15" barrel.
 
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I have to ask this question... What the heck is TOC?

I'm sure there are plenty of folks that would be glad to help you...

I've been reloading since 1966 and I never heard of the term "TOC" ... not that I am aware of. Then again ... I may be wrong.

Jimmy K
 
I have to ask this question... What the heck is TOC?

I'm guessing, The Optimal Charge



Go to Alliant's site and view your bullet's information. There are a wide choice of powders listed. I recommend that you use Rel-17.
The loads listed are maximum charges, and Alliant recommends reducing the start load 10% from listed max.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/




NCsmitty
 
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when you ask for a 243 load and get a reply from a guy who uses 243win as his handle you know you have found the ultimate source. I second IMR4350, that is the only powder i have ever loaded 243 with, when it works don't fix it. That being said i do wish it was made in a short cut version.
 
The best TOC for a .243 a 50:50 split between the ORL and CBC; works every time if the OAL is right. At least in semi-custom RDGs. ;)
 
I've been reloading since 1974 and I don't have a clue what TOC is. Can you explain please?
 
I really like Mr RCmodelr's defination and will apply it next time TOC appears, with credit given.
 
I don't know what the OAL should be, but you only have the rifling to worry about, no magazine.

This is what I would do ... take a fired case and size just enough of the neck to hold a bullet ... it won't take but a slight touch. Seat the bullet long, mark it with a black magic marker and close the action. Look at where the rifling marks the bullet and back off the seating length just a few thousand of inch until it no longer touches the marked bullet. You should then have the correct OAL for that bullet for that gun.

This is the way I find the OAL for all my guns.

Jimmy K
 
"I mean Over All Length ... This is being used in an Encore Pro Hunter with 15" barrel."

Ah. That would be 2.170" for a 26" barrel in a universal receiver so, for a 15" barrel it should be 2.166" but an Encore needs .0035" less. Unless the temp is below 60 degrees, then you should add .007".

Ah, just funning ya, actually all that maybe be total B.S. No one can honestly answer a question like that.

Why not check your chamber as Kirk suggests and see how long you can go before touching the lands. Back off that length by maybe 20 thou and develop your load. After you get the best charge, vary seating in and out in 5 thou steps until you find the best shooting OAL.
 
"I mean Over All Length ... This is being used in an Encore Pro Hunter with 15" barrel."

Ah. That would be 2.170" for a 26" barrel in a universal receiver so, for a 15" barrel it should be 2.166" but an Encore needs .0035" less. Unless the temp is below 60 degrees, then you should add .007".

Ah, just funning ya, actually all that maybe be total B.S. No one can honestly answer a question like that.

Why not check your chamber as Kirk suggests and see how long you can go before touching the lands. Back off that length by maybe 20 thou and develop your load. After you get the best charge, vary seating in and out in 5 thou steps until you find the best shooting OAL.
Thanks. I actually have a stoney point (now Hornday) guage and can measurements and place the bullet very accurately with relation to the lands. I use the Hornady Micrometer bullet seater. The problem is: I was having problems with non-circular holes (not key holes - just slightly oval) on the paper. I was told my Hornady 95 gr SSTs were not being stabalized with my 1-10" barrel. I was told to switch to lighter bullet and a faster powder than AA2700. Recommendations were for Speer 85gr BT spitzer and IMR 4064 and set it to the COL (not TOC :eek:) for that bullet. In my Hornady manual, I have a COL for all their bullets a as well as a Max COL for .243 win. I do not have a Speer manual and was hoping someone here could help out ... Please.

Best.
 
as said, you have a single shot rifle. You get to determine the overall length for this bullet. COAL from manuals is for the shooters who want to cycle from a magazine.
 
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" In my Hornady manual, I have a COL for all their bullets a as well as a Max COL for .243 win. I do not have a Speer manual and was hoping someone here could help out ... Please."

Okay, got a better handle on your problem now. Velocity plus rifling twist rate determines the fired bullet spin rate. Long, heavy (for caliber) bullets have to spin pretty fast to stabilize. Your barrel can't produce a lot of velocity with a cartridge that large so either you must have a faster than normal twist or use lighter bullets; with a 1:10 twist and the short barrel you do need to use short, light bullets that are easier to stabilize. I'd bet you can do better with bullets in the 60-75 gr. range.

OAL is a big bugaboo for noobs, and considering a lot of the "helpful" posts I see on the web, that's understandable. Fact is, book OAL is only what the book makers used to develop their data. It's NOT a "law" to be slavishly followed or you will die, it's only a good starting point! No matter the weapon, if the length is such that the bullet doesn't jam into the lands and the load is developed at that length and it feeds and chambers reliabily, it's good. That's it.

In some 45+ years of loading for many different rifles and handguns I am yet to even look at a book OAL spec. It seems to me that their OAL suggestions have caused much more confusion than they cure. In my early days few data sources even suggested an OAL. And some very good current reloading books and data sources still don't!

Something for you to understand about book data in general: no component change has nearly as much effect on a book load as the weapon it's fired in! Thus, all reloading info is generic by bullet weight and powder type so the source matters little if it's legitimate. ONE RULE, and only one rule, takes care of everything needed for safety; you may mix bullet type/brands, OAL, powder lots, primer and case brand, etc, as you wish IF you "Start low and only work up to book max if no earlier pressure signs appear." If you see pressure signs you've gone much too far, back off a bit. The defination of what "a bit" is varies by case volume.
 
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OAL is a big bugaboo for noobs, and considering a lot of the "helpful" posts I see on the web, that's understandable. Fact is, book OAL is only what the book makers used to develop their data. It's NOT a "law" to be slavishly followed or you will die, it's only a good starting point! No matter the weapon, if the length is such that the bullet doesn't jam into the lands and the load is developed at that length and it feeds and chambers reliabily, it's good. That's it.

That is about the best statement about OAL I've seen!! Maybe you could come up with one like this for case gauges?

Jimmy K
 
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