Too Close To Home (Philly)

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And the antis don't understand why we feel the need to be armed.

This one is too close to home.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=6043617

4 16 year-old "children" beat a commuter so badly, he had a heart attack, and died. This happened at 13th and Market in Philadelphia, in the subway/suburban rail concourse in CENTER CITY, at 2;30 PM, in front of a large number of witnesses. This didn't happen in the hood.


I pass through here several times a month. The victim was the manager of the Starbucks, in the Marriott Hotel, at 12th & Market. Whenever I'm in town, I stop there for a Cappucino. Hell, I've probably seen the manager a hundred times.
 
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I pass through there every DAY, and the Wanamaker Building where I work is accessible from that area. There is an office for transit police (K9) just outside the eastbound concourse at that location. City Hall is a walk up the stairs and across the street, and can be reached from that area without going aboveground until you're there. SEPTA offices are accessible from underground less than a block from that location. Amazing. :barf:
 
Phila is a great place for criminals. They are free to repeat & repeat. I was in the city today. Didn't carry but had an extra sharp & serrated Syderco.
 
When I'm in Philly, I carry a little gun (NAA .22 Mag. Mini) and a BIG knife (Protech Brend #1). I don't care if the damned thing is legal or not. And they are constantly calling for more gun control.

You aren't even safe in a Septa station, or Patco. My sister was robbed at the Patco station at 16th and Locust, also in the middle of the afternoon.

PS- One of the witnesses was a Septa cop. But he was on the east bound side, and couldn't do anything about it. Too many commuters in the way.

These four punks were from Simon Gratz High. Isn't that in North Philly? What the hell were they doing in Center City at 2:30 PM?

BTW, I posted this on the Brady Blog at Huffpo. They posted it, then pulled it. Same post, word for word.
 
They attacked the guy for fun/amusement.
 
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Beating someone to death.... Nobody tried to stop them??

Real Sad. AND...what happened to the Guardian Angels and subway police. We need them badly. Phila is not a safe city. It is perceived to be.
 
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Full Story:

CENTER CITY - March 26, 2008 (WPVI) -- In a chilling confession in the murder of 36-year-old Sean Patrick Conroy, 16-year-old Kinta Stanton allegedly tells police that he and his friends went out randomly looking for somebody to beat up just for kicks.

"I think that's what makes this so horrific is the fact that anybody could have basically been the victim of this type of behavior," said Deputy Commissioner Richard Ross.

The tenth grader at Simon Gratz High School told police he and 3 other students, who remain on the loose, skipped classes yesterday. He said they beat Conroy with their fists just before he collapsed on the subway floor in the 13th Street station of the Market-Frankford line.

A transit police officer saw one of the teens take a swing at Conroy, but the four fled before the officer could reach them, authorities said.

Authorities initially thought Conroy may have had a heart attack. The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide. Conroy suffered an asthma attack brought on by blunt force trauma.

In an exclusive interview with Action News, his parents expressed their heartbreak.

"For something like this to happen to him, I mean it's a true tragedy. This is just unbelievable right now," said his father, Steve Conroy.
Conroy was a manager at Starbucks at 13th and Market Streets in Center City. He was engaged to be married to his fiancee, Stefanie, later this year.

His parents wanted the public to know about their son.

"Our son was a kind-hearted and compassionate young man. He loved his life, his friends, his family and the city of Philadelphia. He respected everyone he came in contact with," said his father. "Please don't turn our son's murder into purely a racial issue."

The Conroys say their son was born in Philadelphia and later grew up in Delaware County, attending Upper Darby High School.
"We've gotten a lot of support from his friends and co-workers and it does help, but it doesn't bring my son back," said his mother, Sharon Conroy.

SEPTA had already been increasing security, focusing on the hours of 2 to 5 p.m. because of teens causing problems after getting out of school, said spokesman Jim Whitaker. The attack occurred shortly after 2:30 p.m.

"This particular incident was an anomaly," Whitaker said.

The attack occurred on a city-owned concourse next to the subway, not on SEPTA property, he said.

As police continue to search for the other three suspects in the case, Stanton is held without bail, charged as an adult with murder and conspiracy. His preliminary hearing is scheduled for April 2nd.

(Copyright ©2008 WPVI-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)
 
The world we live in is full of evil people that don’t care if they harm others or steal or rape, we can’t depend on someone else to protect ourselves and you see it all the time where there are witnesses that saw a crime being committed or someone being beat to death and look the other way-
 
meanwhile, the PhilaCity Council continues full speed ahead with unconstitutional gun control laws, incl. a NYC/Chicago-style "turn them in" ban on so-called "assault weapons":

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/17078191.html
Safety committee OKs gun-control legislation

By CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Daily News

[email protected] 215-854-5973

Kervin Henry was waiting at a bus stop on his way home to Germantown in October when three men walked up, brandished a pistol and demanded his money.

Henry had only a Transpass.

"They said: 'Man, just let him have it,' " Henry, 23, recalled yesterday, leaning on a crutch and explaining how one of the men shot him in the right knee.

That shooting landed Henry in a different sort of conflict yesterday at City Hall, as City Council took a big step closer to a court fight with the state on gun control.

Council's Committee on Public Safety approved legislation to limit handgun purchases to one a month; require owners to report lost or stolen guns to police; allow police to confiscate guns from people considered a risk to themselves or others; require a license from police to bring a gun into the city; ban semiautomatic weapons with clips that hold more than 10 rounds; and establish a registry for ammunition sales.


That legislation, introduced by Councilman Darrell Clarke, could be approved on Thursday.

Mayor Nutter, who has pledged to sign it into law and start enforcement, yesterday called it "the kinds of tools we need to make Philadelphia safer." The city Law Department, he added, is reviewing the legislation.

"Obviously, we want to be in the strongest position as it relates to enforcement," Nutter said.

This is a second try: The same legislation passed last year but was never enforced because it called for matching action by the state General Assembly that never came. Clarke sued the General Assembly, and Commonwealth Court is now deciding if the case can go forward.

By suing and trying to pass the legislation, Philadelphia is taking two routes to what it hopes is a final destination: A review by the state's Supreme Court of its 1996 ruling that struck down local gun-control laws in Philadelphia.

The state House and Senate, joined by the National Rifle Association, have challenged the city's ability to pass its own gun laws.

Clarke yesterday said that he was not sure what would happen if the city tried to enforce the laws in the face of that 1996 ruling.

"We're in uncharted waters at this point," Clarke said. "But given the level of significance of this issue, we think it's prudent for us to attempt every imaginable strategy as it relates to gun violence."

Deputy Police Commissioner Richard Ross yesterday told Council that his department supports the legislation. Later, he said it could have a "profound impact" on gun violence here.

"It's unfortunate that a lot of times you do believe you're in a fight alone," Ross said. "This just tells us we're not. In order to stem the tide of violence, we have to start somewhere. This is a good place to start."

As Council acted, Dr. Calvin Johnson, the state's secretary of health, held a meeting to discuss the Pennsylvania Injury Reporting and Intervention System, a pilot program that tracks victims of shootings in three Philadelphia hospital emergency rooms.

Johnson, who invited Henry to speak about the night he was shot, said the program targets victims between the ages of 15 and 24 and focuses on stopping the cycles of injuries and retaliations.

"It all fits together right now," Johnson said of Council's action and his program. "It's about breaking the cycle of violence and breaking it now."

State Rep. Dwight Evans, who has advocated for gun control in Harrisburg, praised Council's effort and said that it could "drive the pressure" for the Supreme Court to reconsider local gun control.

"They have the right to do what they're doing," Evans said. "Ultimately, the Supreme Court will decide who is right." *

Staff writer Catherine Lucey contributed to this report.

The writer couldn't even get the story right; the ban includes magazines above 15 rounds, not 10.

Link to Phila City council agenda for 3/27/08, listing the gun control bills passed: http://webapps.phila.gov/council/me...ic_Safety_08-03-27_Public_Hearing_Notice.pdf
Link to search for specific bills: http://legislation.phila.gov/mattersearch/
 
"I think that's what makes this so horrific is the fact that anybody could have basically been the victim of this type of behavior," said Deputy Commissioner Richard Ross.


That the argument in favor of RKBA or CCW ever has to go beyond this just blows my mind.
 
I am sick and tired of this kind of crap. Pull this post if you wish, but in my kind of world these little bastards would be hunted down and killed. Zero tolerance for crimes of this nature. If they are tried and found guilty - waste a bullet on them and make the family pay for the ammunition. No second, third, fourth etc trials until some damn bleeding heart liberal lawyer gets them a reduced sentence. Make sure the trial is fair, and once the verdict is offered, act on it.

Sorry if this sounds drastic, but they way society is going, lack of family guidance (hell, most of these "criminals" or future criminals don't even know who their families are), no respect for our fellow man, if you can't earn it then steal it attitude, it won't be many years before there's total break down - oh wait - look at Camdon, Detroit, Philly - it's already there.

I live about 40 miles outside of Philly, in PA. Do I carry? Not always. Will I now, you're damn straight I will. Am I a nut job with a short temper - quite the opposite, but like they said in the movies "I'm tired and I'm not going to take it any more!".:cuss:

Sorry for the rant - but I am sick of excuses while innocent people die and the anti's continue to shout for more gun control.

Whew - I feel better.....
 
Now that you feel better, you might want to edit your post before some anti uses it against us.
 
Real Sad. AND...what happened to the Guardian Angels and subway police. We need them badly. Phila is not a safe city. It is perceived to be.

You don't really have to BE safe as long as you FEEL safe!

Crud like that is why I decided to get my permit and why I'm still working on getting my wife to get hers. It is a different world than it was just 10-12 years ago. The fruits of the all the BS liberal, feel good social engineering has not only ripened it is starting to spoil.
 
"Now that you feel better, you might want to edit your post before some anti uses it against us"

On the contrary-----it should be a banner for what we stand for. When animals like these violate the MORAL fiber of a society----they forfeit the right to LIFE/LIVE in that society.

I'm tired of living in the shadows because of our RKBA........and of the PC mindset. Catch them, execute them, and move on.
 
Jeez, the victim went to Upper Darby High. I went to Springfield, very close. Sounds like a decent human being and was going to be married soon. What a tragic loss. The perp needs to be tried as an adult and they need to catch the other punks and try them as adults. If you can't be safe at 13th and Market, the heart of Center City then nowhere in Philly is safe.
 
I didn't say I disagreed with what Mugsie said, only that I didn't want it to be used against us gun owners. The antis troll here too, and some would love to hold up Mugsie's statement as a sign to point out why guns should be banned.

If Mugsie doesn't want to edit it, then fine. He has a First Amendment right too.

Victories won are small when the voice is loudly heard. A quiet voice in the right place will win more battles than an army. (Sun Tsu - The Art of War)
 
I stay at this Marriott and patronize this Starbucks at least once a month. While I was there the first week in March, 5 juveniles, male and female were convicted of beating a woman on a SEPTA bus into a coma and breaking her eye socket.

The Philadelphia City Council is absolutely insane to think that turning the city into a gun free zone for law abiding citizens will make it safer. The thugs that control the streets will have no disincentives and the citizens will be left even more powerless than they are right now.

I usually only CCW in New Orleans, when I travel there on business. In Philly, it takes so long to get a checked bag, I just carry a Surefire 6P light which I keep in my carryon.

That may have to change.

BTW, I am sending a copy of this post via email to Council member Clarke and Mayor Nutter.
 
at least they caught one of them. Hopefully they treat him like an adult and throw him in prison for a very long time.
 
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