Why I Open Carry!

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To me, being safe and coming out "on top" depends largely on the element of surprise. Muggers need the element of surprise, and by being situationaly aware we take that away from them. Same goes (IMO) for Concealed Carry vs Open Carry... if a bad guy sees your carrying, yeah... his plan then may be to turn tail and run, but he may also choose to take that knowledge and develop a plan without you ever knowing... because he now can gain the element of surprise as he will formulate his attack based on you being armed.

Again, just my opinion. My unprofessional, untrained and un-educated opinion.

Leroy
 
Those of you that oppose OC should check out my Friend or Foe tool and search the Alexandria, VA area for 200 miles.

You will see the positive experiences vastly outnumber the negative ones, and that is solid data. Real world experience vs. internet theories.

Granted, VA is about as pro-gun of a location as you can get, but I think the numbers dispel the myths that the general public and businesses are anti OC. Most simply don't care one way or the other.

I'm working on a couple different data views that will highlight just how common OC is and, how it is a non-issue with the majority of businesses.
 
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I live in SC, where open carry is not allowed. I am not opposed to open carry across the line in NC, which does allow it, but I'd prefer to CC until I get a retention holster.

I actually had a conversation with a NC detective a few weeks ago, who was not opposed to citizens openly carrying because it was "your 2nd Amendment Right." This same cop, however, could not figure out why people with nothing to hide would not volunteer information or consent to searches (because they're your 5th and 4th Amendment Rights. Duh!).
 
We have a perfect laboratory to test the dangers and effects of open carry -- the police. Police officers not only carry openly, but they wear uniforms, too! Even if a cop is too far away to see his gun, the uniform tells you, "There's a man carrying a gun openly."

And yet despite what the nattering nannies say, it is actually possible to walk down the street without tripping over the bodies of cops who have been ambushed and killed for their guns.

Whoda thunk it?
 
Open carry is a fundamental right, and should be the law everywhere.
As a point of academic discussion, I can think of three factors that weigh somewhat against open carry:

1) easier to coerce. An all-to-common complaint is that cops, who open carry, bully citizens or coerce testimony and otherwise act badly because they are armed. An all-to-common crime is robbery by intimidation (can't remember the technical term). Allowing BGs to open carry increases their ability to do the same. "Oh, I was just panhandling. I wasn't threatening anyone"

2) You'll look like a cop.
2a -Problem because cops hate it when people impersonate cops.
2b- Allowing open carry gives the guy who is playing at impersonating without breaking the law (the guy who paints his car white and black, who buys clothes and sunglasses to look like a cop) one more tool.
2c - people will bother you, the way they bother cops. "Can you jump my car?" "Can you threaten to arrest my unruly kids?"

3) Crazy people that want attention have another tool. Although crazies aren't supposed to be armed, gun control has failed us. Imagine the depressed, bitter guy who has decided to slowly escalate his inappropriate behavior until he is happy or until he gets arrested. Now he gets to carry a gun, maybe unholster it, maybe point it at himself, and the police will get reprimanded (either for acting too soon or too late).
 
But OC is the law in most of the country and none of the above seems to be happening
 
But OC is the law in most of the country and none of the above seems to be happening
Exactly!

It is intellectually dishonest to predict what might happen if OC were allowed. The honest approach is to report what does happen in those states with legal OC.

There is not a higher incidence of crime in those states.

There is not a higher incidence of firearms accidents in those states.

There is not an overwhelming anti-gun drive sparked by people getting the vapors at seeing guns carried openly in those states.
 
Why I love Vermont...

Up here we can carry openly but I've been told by everyone from municipal constables to state troopers to keep it concealed because it scares the heck out of the tourist population...

Having had both good and bad experiences carrying openly I must say that I can go more places concealed than I can go unconcealed. More and more places are posting "No weapons allowed" signs.
It's their right to refuse service to anyone. But, but it's also my right, paid for in the blood of revolutionary war patriots, to keep and bear arms any darn place that old glory waves over this beautiful country of ours...

Concealed, I seldom get more than a nod from people who know EXACTLY what that bulge represents...

Unconcealed, more often than not I get the "OHMYGOD He's got a gun!" and have had the police respond to me with "Man with a gun" 911 calls while I humbly shopped with my wife and kids...
On more than one occasion, I have been banned from a store for carrying unconcealed. Yet, when I inform everyone from the regional manager to the corporate headquarters that I am merely exercising my second amendment rights while purchasing firearms related products from their stores and that in the future I promise to keep it concealed, they usually allow me to re-enter. Mostly I'm asked to leave it in the car, to which I say I will, and then I go into the store carrying fully concealed...
About 9 out of 10 times nothing ever comes from it...
I still can't shop at a certain store in Brattleboro, though. I guess they watched for me and my bump and security escorted me out the back door and told me not to shop there ever again... Which I won't and neither will about 35 other people...

Generally I just tuck it in a coat pocket, pull my shirt out over it, or stuff it in a fannypack during the dead of summer so that nobody really has to see it.
It is a case of what they don't know, they don't call the cops for...

I'll just keep it hidden.

Besides, I'm no quick-draw super hollywood shooter anyway.
First sign of a threat and I'm only gonna be concerned with what I can do immediately to deal with that specific threat...
 
Colorado, you present a good arguement for Open Carry, even thought I personally disagree with the practice.

Just a question, can you legally carry concealed if you chose to do so?
Its been my experience that many people who "choose" to open carry, do so because they are otherwise restricted from carrying concealed.
Tactically, I see the deterrent effect of OC, but that is out the window if somebody gets the drop on you. Bank Robbery/hostage/active shooter...if you dont spot and draw first, you WILL be singled out for extra attention due to the gun on your hip. Id prefer to be the one to let the bad guys know I have a gun.
 
The element of Surprise....

Tactically, I see the deterrent effect of OC, but that is out the window if somebody gets the drop on you. Bank Robbery/hostage/active shooter...if you dont spot and draw first, you WILL be singled out for extra attention due to the gun on your hip. Id prefer to be the one to let the bad guys know I have a gun.

Thats all I was saying. When I walk down the streets, for fun I assess threats both human or otherwise. (SIPDE Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide and Act...) that comes from motorcycle school but it applies. If I see a threat and he sees that I am armed, it takes away that key element of surprise.

And I agree, it probably would deter the threat.

I open carry, when I hunt or on my property, but in public I carry a gun for SD and it is concealed for tactical purposes not to avoid being hassled. That is just a positive side effect.
 
I live in TN where we can carry open or concealed as long as we have our license.
For me personally, I would love to carry OC. The only reason I don't is worry about LEO's.
I'm just like anyone else: I have my own busy life with things to do. I do not want to have some idiot make a MWAG call which results in me being questioned like a suspect if it takes 5, 10, 30 minutes out of my day.
I also don't want to deal with any court dates if I walk in a building where the owner insists he posted correctly while in fact he did not.

If I could be guaranteed that I wouldn't have a run-in with LEO, I'd OC all the time.

I did have a meeting with a cop where I let him know I was carrying in my pocket. He removed the gun from me and after he ran my license, he handed it back and thanked me for letting him know. At least that was a positive experience
 
jos2f said:
If I could be guaranteed that I wouldn't have a run-in with LEO, I'd OC all the time.

It is a very sad state of American affairs when we have to fear actions by the police when engaged in perfectly legal, and in fact, constitutionally protected behavior.

The only way we are ever going to change that is to let the police know that we will not tolerate and infringement on our rights simply because they, or anyone else, is uncomfortable with our legal and peaceful behavior.
 
It is a very sad state of American affairs when we have to fear actions by the police when engaged in perfectly legal, and in fact, constitutionally protected behavior.

The only way we are ever going to change that is to let the police know that we will not tolerate and infringement on our rights simply because they, or anyone else, is uncomfortable with our legal and peaceful behavior.

I concur 110%
 
Vern Humphrey said:
We have a perfect laboratory to test the dangers and effects of open carry -- the police. Police officers not only carry openly, but they wear uniforms, too! Even if a cop is too far away to see his gun, the uniform tells you, "There's a man carrying a gun openly."

And yet despite what the nattering nannies say, it is actually possible to walk down the street without tripping over the bodies of cops who have been ambushed and killed for their guns.

Whoda thunk it?

And, I would also contend that a cop or a security guard is going to get shot because of the criminal's fear of apprehension, not because of the gun. A criminal doesn't want to go to jail, and they will do whatever they can to avoid going to jail. It's the uniform that causes cops to get shot at, not their gun, IMHO.
 
As I said, we have an enormous amount of data on the effect of open carry -- from states where it's legal, to cops and security guards. And all that data points in the same direction -- open carry does not endanger the person carrying. It does not result in more accidental shootings. And it does not engender nattering nanny campaigns to outlaw it.
 
Guys, guys - there's a very simple solution: Do both. Carry one gun concealed, and one gun on your hip. Everybody's happy. :D
 
A good point Tamlin. Now that I think about it, almost every time I've ever open carried, I've had another concealed.

It's a practice which puts the whole "gun grab" thing to rest quite nicely.
 
Colorado, you present a good arguement for Open Carry, even thought I personally disagree with the practice.

Just a question, can you legally carry concealed if you chose to do so?
Its been my experience that many people who "choose" to open carry, do so because they are otherwise restricted from carrying concealed.
Tactically, I see the deterrent effect of OC, but that is out the window if somebody gets the drop on you. Bank Robbery/hostage/active shooter...if you dont spot and draw first, you WILL be singled out for extra attention due to the gun on your hip. Id prefer to be the one to let the bad guys know I have a gun.
I've carried concealed for years. I have a Colorado concealed permit. I just think it's time to push our rights. The far left is still amazed at the millions of rounds of ammo and maybe the millions of guns that have been sold in the last few months. Thanks to the best gun salesman ever! (Obama) They are not scared because we are armed. They know we are good law abiding citizens. They are scared because they now know how many pro gun and gun owners there are. They do not want to be voted out and they know they will be if they jack with our gun rights. I'm not sure even the gun owners knew how many of us there were!!! Hell, we can't even find 22LR ammo!!! LMAO. Even the IT guy I've known for years just came into work showing me his new concealed permit. OMG!!
 
I kinda decided today that I will OC when alone, and CC when with friends/family to not freak them out so much. I can handle it fine, idk bout the rest. I am trying to be considerate so why not
 
TN Open Carry Problems

It is legal to open or conceal carry a handgun in public WITH a permit. I choose to conceal for the reason of trying to avoid legal problems, such as accidently walking onto school property (felony or misdemeanor charges even with permit), possibly not paying attention to a legally posted business (misdemeanor w/ permit), or I may not know that a sandwich shop serves beer (misdemeanor with permit). I cannot go through life and constantly know that a building has one office owned by a university or that a church also has a private school during the week...which could bring me a lot of legal trouble. If i conceal, and i find out that I carried where I shouldn't have, then I can quietly go to my car to put the handgun away. If I openly carry, then it is already too late when I find out I am on school property and the police are called.

Eliminate the legal traps as to where it is illegal to carry with a permit, and I may consider openly carrying in public. As of now, I'll open carry to the range and when in the woods.
 
Eliminate the legal traps as to where it is illegal to carry with a permit, and I may consider openly carrying in public. As of now, I'll open carry to the range and when in the woods.

Who do you want to eliminate them? There are those who have gone before us that have died for our rights to "keep and bear arms". Now you want the "legal traps" to just disappear??? Grab yourself by the gonads and do something for yourself! It's up to us and the time is right!
 
Walk softly and carry a big stick. . .that's what I say. While I don't have any moral or ethical issues with OC, per se, it does kind of scream "hey look at me and my big stick!" Not exactly walking softly. But that's just me. I wouldn't mind seeing OC in Texas, if for no other reason than it would make CCW more convenient. But I probably wouldn't OC most of the time.
 
i like the op thoughts on oc. i live in az as loop does and we have very liberal gun laws here so oc is very prevalent. i have caught myself being uneasy seeing some that open carry. i have never had a problem w/ leo's and carrying oc. i have been stopped w/ no less than 4 handguns on my dash, some holstered some not, twice and they were never even mentioned. i don't carry oc in town but when i'm in the on the road or in the wild, camping, fishing, hiking, riding quads, i am never alone...if you know what i mean. the reasons for this is 1. traveling: rest areas and truck stops or the unexpected vehicle break down. none of which a situation anyone should be unarmed in.
2. in the 80's i remember that a man who supposedly kidnapped his g/f and her child and took them to a local lake. there, the couple came upon a couple that were camping. they beat the man and tied him to a saguaro cactus. then the male repeatedly raped the the man's wife or g/f in front of the man tied to cactus while his own g/f and her child looked on. they kept them captive for 3 days iirc. i swore that would never happen to me or my own. 2a. my sister and her husband went camping w/ another couple. the men went on a hike, leaving the women alone at camp. my sister had a pistol but was not carrying it on her. about 10 minutes after men had left, they passed another guy walking the other way, towards their camp. it was on a main trail, so they didn't think much of it. the man walked by the camp and a conversation was had between the man and the 2 women, (1 of which was my sister). at one point my sister started feeling uneasy and retired to the tent long enough to get her pistol. she made a comment about doing target shooting to the other woman and the man left. when my bro in law came back 2 hrs later, he saw the man walking down the trail ahead and away from him. my sister told him what had happened. the guys went out to make sure area was ok and found where the guy had been sitting in some bushes w/ the only view being of the camp. there were about 15 cigs half smoked and stubbed out in a pile so he had been watching them for quite awhile. she is never unarmed in the forest anymore. 2b. was taking a back road over a mntn to a cave we had heard about. at mntn top we asked a "local", of which there were only about 20 of them, how to get to cave. he gave us directions, drive 6 miles turn left down a jeep trail and said we would have to walk the last mile. found it no problem. got out and started looking around. there was no one..anywhere. we found the trail but something wasn't right. i unsnapped my holster and seeing that, wife did the same. we got back in and as we were driving up the jeep trail, who should we see, but the guy who gave us directions. he was in the back of a pick up telling the driver where to turn..the jeep trail. by this time my glock was in my right hand at my side while i sped up and passed the truck coming in. as i drove away i looked in the rear view and saw the guy pounding his fist on top of truck and could hear him cursing the driver for being to slow! we went on down the main road and found the cave, 8 miles further along, right off the side of the road. we got out and after looking to see if any one was following, went to the edge of the trail. a man came running up the trail like he caught us doing something wrong. he explained that while he and his kids were hiking the day before. someone broke into his vehicle and stole pretty much everything they had and he thought we were them. he had run into 2 other sets of people who had also been broken into that same day. so needles to say i haven't been out of town or on a road trip w/o an oc weapon, usually 3 or 4, in 30 yrs. rick
 
I'm a cop, and I could certainly get by open carrying with no-questions-asked if I chose to. Personally, I prefer to conceal when I'm off-duty, for a number of reasons:

1) I like having the element of surprise on my side.

2) When I'm out with my family on my days off, their safety is my utmost priority and I'm not nearly as worried about acting as a police officer. As such, concealed carry gives me the option of revealing the weapon or standing down, as the situation may dictate.

3) I'm sorry to say it, but CCW is certainly more PC, draws less questions, less attention, and less hassle. Yeah, I could certainly choose to wear my gun AND badge visible, but that just makes me an on-duty officer in the eyes of society (and my department). Or, I could wear the gun open and conceal that badge, which would just draw the attention that I already said I was looking to avoid!

So, these days I wear my duty weapon under concealment, with my badge attached right next to the weapon. If I need to act I certainly can, and I can do so very quickly with the rig I wear. But, I can also wait until the time is right to tip my hand.

FWIW, I do often open carry when I'm in the backcountry... I'm more speaking of city-carry in the rest of my response.
 
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