Ronsch
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No. Not just beyond potential damage, but what if he decides he needs to get rid of a 1) teacher 2) Former girlfriend, boyfriend, spouse, mean parent, uncle...Well you get the idea.
Too protective of my guns?
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PhiloebeddoUSA
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Never seen anyone quote Shakespeare on these boards before. I think he's highly overrated 
, but Twelfth Night had its moments 
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As for the OP, I would tell my friend no, explain why and then give him a Mosin Nagant with a scope for $130. Tell him that Simo Hayha used one like it(sans scope), and go out and enjoy his "sniper rifle".
, but Twelfth Night had its moments .As for the OP, I would tell my friend no, explain why and then give him a Mosin Nagant with a scope for $130. Tell him that Simo Hayha used one like it(sans scope), and go out and enjoy his "sniper rifle"
.V1ROT8
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I never loan any of my firearms to anyone. Period.
I never loan, give away or sell any of my handloaded ammo. Period.
End of discussion for me.
I never loan, give away or sell any of my handloaded ammo. Period.
End of discussion for me.
browningpotato
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I have learned several things from this thread. First, there are alot of insightful people on this board that are open to offer freiendly and knowledgeable advice, which is greatly appreciated. Second, apparently there are some that discredit threads just because the poster does not have 12,000 posts, this is sad. Finally, I will never ever refer to a rifle as a sniper rifle here again, it is a generalized term used in a generic sense, after apologizing several times and correcting myself, some people seem to have nothing better to do than repeatedly criticize.
Thanks to those who gave honest friendly advice. He asked again today and I stuck to my guns (no pun intended). Also, after thinking about it more last night, he didn't ask "hey what are you doing this weekend, do you want to go shooting" he said "can I borrow your gun so I can go shooting." The more I think about it the more offended I become.
Thanks to those who gave honest friendly advice. He asked again today and I stuck to my guns (no pun intended). Also, after thinking about it more last night, he didn't ask "hey what are you doing this weekend, do you want to go shooting" he said "can I borrow your gun so I can go shooting." The more I think about it the more offended I become.
The trouble comes in how we define a friend.
If your friend is a work buddy, no way. Someone you hang out with on occasion, again no. These are people you know and enjoy spending time with. I don't trust them with my life.
A real friend becomes part of your family. We only get a handfull of these in our life. If a real friend asked to borrow a rifle, he'd get it -- and an offer to help him with whatever he needed it for.
If your friend is a work buddy, no way. Someone you hang out with on occasion, again no. These are people you know and enjoy spending time with. I don't trust them with my life.
A real friend becomes part of your family. We only get a handfull of these in our life. If a real friend asked to borrow a rifle, he'd get it -- and an offer to help him with whatever he needed it for.
Sam1911
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Absolutely! This is one of the best sites for honest, experienced advice and opinion.
Really? I'll have to go back and look again, but I don't remember those. If someone gives you flak because you're new, hit the "report" button (little red triange on the left) and tell a Mod. That kind of thing is too stupid to be tolerated here.
Probably a good idea. Like "assault rifle" (when used to describe an AR-15 or AKM) it carries strong connotations that this community either eschews entirely or at least applies in VERY specific instances. "Precision long-range rifle" will do fine.
Yeah. That's annoying. Kind of the nature of the beast, though. Eveyone gets their hackles up and then it takes some an extra hour or two to get the message that they can put their hackles away. You get it, we understand, let's move on.
Well, good for you, though I know it is an uncomfortable position to be in. There are some social cues he needs to learn to catch. Sounds like he's slow on the uptake. Feel free to explain it exactly as others here have (lending such a thing threatens our friendship, if the request makes me uncomfortable why would you persist, what would happen between us if something happened to it, etc.).
Take care and have a better weekend!
-Sam
Sounds like you have worked through to your answer. Hopefully the thread was helpful, if not somewhat fustrating. It is hard to advide people on personal decisions. People soon learn that some terms are kind of a touchy subject around here, and other gun boards, as the antis tend to use them against us. (The antis come here to stir up trouble from time to time as well) I guarantee it wasn't personal.
heavyshooter
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It's a GUN, not a cup of sugar!
I whoelheartedly agree with russ69. A friend should have taken your concerns into consideration.
The value of the rifle is irrelevant to me. $5,000.00 and $50.00 is the same to me because it's a gun. I never loan a firearm to anyone (my father is the only exception to this rule, but he taught me gun maintenance and safety so I trust him with my guns). I apply this rule to myself as well; I never ask to borrow a firearm. I have three friends that all have firearms that I want to shoot. Consequently, I have arranged a trip to the range for the four of us. This will allow me to handle their firearms in their presence and under their supervision. For me, this is just common courtesy. If you want to shoot it, then I will go with you.
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I whoelheartedly agree with russ69. A friend should have taken your concerns into consideration.
The value of the rifle is irrelevant to me. $5,000.00 and $50.00 is the same to me because it's a gun. I never loan a firearm to anyone (my father is the only exception to this rule, but he taught me gun maintenance and safety so I trust him with my guns
). I apply this rule to myself as well; I never ask to borrow a firearm. I have three friends that all have firearms that I want to shoot. Consequently, I have arranged a trip to the range for the four of us. This will allow me to handle their firearms in their presence and under their supervision. For me, this is just common courtesy. If you want to shoot it, then I will go with you.Heavy
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I've found that 2 out of 3 times, I've regretted lending out tools.
Most guys will not offer to repair what they have broken, or return the tool after letting it gather rust. The worst are the ones who don't tell you the tool they borrowed is now broken, they let you find out on the job site. Lovely.
Most guys will not offer to repair what they have broken, or return the tool after letting it gather rust. The worst are the ones who don't tell you the tool they borrowed is now broken, they let you find out on the job site. Lovely.
Deltaboy1984
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Trust your gut and ask this Can he afford to replace it if something happened too it? If the answer is No then don't lend it. I was told years ago as a boy never loan anything that you can't afford to lose.
i lent my cousin a gun once and he had it for about a year its a cosmeticly challanged beater and i recently got it back didint seem like he did much damage other than a wee extra spot of rust.
on the other hand we have had 2 of his guns for a couple of months because he has no place to put them and theres a safe at my house i take good care and oil/clean and care for them like my own but would i lend him any high dollar item or something i will be angry if its broken lost or destroyed no way in hell
because he does not even really know how to clean his own guns or want too i allways clean up after the range sessions he dosent even have a cleaning kit!
one time i lent a good freind a knife when we were going out for the night a cheapie 2 for 10 dollars one he somehow lost it ok
another time same guy i lent him a 50 dollar buck that my father had gotten me for easter one year he f@#!#!@$@#! lost it i was so incredibly angry he didint want to compensate me for it or anything as we were just in high school and has made up for it since but boy will he never borrow a knife gun tool video game movie or anything from me ever again
on the other hand we have had 2 of his guns for a couple of months because he has no place to put them and theres a safe at my house i take good care and oil/clean and care for them like my own but would i lend him any high dollar item or something i will be angry if its broken lost or destroyed no way in hell
because he does not even really know how to clean his own guns or want too i allways clean up after the range sessions he dosent even have a cleaning kit!
one time i lent a good freind a knife when we were going out for the night a cheapie 2 for 10 dollars one he somehow lost it ok
another time same guy i lent him a 50 dollar buck that my father had gotten me for easter one year he f@#!#!@$@#! lost it i was so incredibly angry he didint want to compensate me for it or anything as we were just in high school and has made up for it since but boy will he never borrow a knife gun tool video game movie or anything from me ever again
gunsandreligion
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If you think he will beat on it but keep it safe, just fill a junker up with dirt so it works but hardly . also put a junk scope on it. see how he treats/cleans that.
If he previously asked to borrow a 1911 and you said no, he should have known better than to ask.
I would never ask to borrow such a weapon but if I did and you said no,I would feel uncomfortable and turn you down if you changed your mind.
I would never ask to borrow such a weapon but if I did and you said no,I would feel uncomfortable and turn you down if you changed your mind.
Not at all, I don't think. $5000 is a lot to loan to anyone, and I'd be hesitant to let something so valuable out of my sight.
Personally, if any one of my friends asked to borrow my guns, I'd let them. Mainly because all of my friends who would ask have guns of their own, but also because I don't own a firearm worth over $400.
Reading over that sentence makes me kinda sad, actually. BRB, buying a Mateba.
Personally, if any one of my friends asked to borrow my guns, I'd let them. Mainly because all of my friends who would ask have guns of their own, but also because I don't own a firearm worth over $400.
Reading over that sentence makes me kinda sad, actually. BRB, buying a Mateba.
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I had a guy do this wanting my M1A, he even wanted to give me a S&W M 29 as collateral. It really set off my inner alarms, as to my knowledge, he never owned a M29. It's too personal a matter. Jeff Cooper once wrote that one never asked to see another persons pistol at the range because it would affront him to have to say "No". 
This is something you just don't do in polite circles.
Best,
Rob
This is something you just don't do in polite circles.Best,
Rob
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I make it a point to not ever borrow what I can't readily replace if I have to borrow at all. It sounds like your friend is strapped for cash so if something happens to the gun your out and the friendship is on the rocks.
I have no problem loaning out a Ruger 77 or Rem, Win, whatever box stock gun I got used at the pawnshop. But I have guns that are pricey or heirlooms that I don't even let my kids use as well as some very high end optics.
I've found the best way to keep peace is to not let people touch things they don't appreciate, if I saw somebody cleaning the lenses on my Swarovski's with their shirt tail or some rag I'd probably loose it.
I have no problem loaning out a Ruger 77 or Rem, Win, whatever box stock gun I got used at the pawnshop. But I have guns that are pricey or heirlooms that I don't even let my kids use as well as some very high end optics.
I've found the best way to keep peace is to not let people touch things they don't appreciate, if I saw somebody cleaning the lenses on my Swarovski's with their shirt tail or some rag I'd probably loose it.
I suggest that you respond by asking if you can go with him to shoot. If he balks, then why in the world did he feel justified asking to borrow your $5,000 rifle if he won't accept your company on his little jaunt? If he accepts, then everybody's happy.
As it stands now, I would never loan any of my firearms to anyone, save my wife (but that's not a loan, because they're hers too). Even then, I would discourage her from using the AR without me present because she's not very familiar with its operation.
My brother asked/implied one time that he'd like to borrow my handgun to go to the range. He's a responsible kid, and I have no fear at all of him doing something illegal, but I am simply uncomfortable with anybody manipulating my firearms without me around.
My concern was justified later in the conversation when it became clear he was going shooting with OTHER friends, none of whom I would trust at all without going over safety for an hour-plus.
As it stands now, I would never loan any of my firearms to anyone, save my wife (but that's not a loan, because they're hers too). Even then, I would discourage her from using the AR without me present because she's not very familiar with its operation.
My brother asked/implied one time that he'd like to borrow my handgun to go to the range. He's a responsible kid, and I have no fear at all of him doing something illegal, but I am simply uncomfortable with anybody manipulating my firearms without me around.
My concern was justified later in the conversation when it became clear he was going shooting with OTHER friends, none of whom I would trust at all without going over safety for an hour-plus.
Great point. It's very awkward to deny somebody when they ask to try out your gun, mainly because it's such an inherently rude request. Such people generally have to "borrow" your ammo too.
Basically, they're asking if you'll stop what you're doing and pay them $5 to shoot your own gun.
If I want somebody to shoot my gun, I will make the offer. I'm a generous guy, and I can tell when somebody's interested. Don't put me in a position where I'm forced to embarrass us both by declining.
GunsAreGood
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I do not recommend lending your firearms to anyone. We are talking about a gun here folks not a power drill.
Myles
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I don't loan firearms, to anyone, ever. That's just me. My brother once asked me to loan him a pistol once, for home defense. I said no. Instead, I gave him a nice S&W with a handwritten bill of sale.
Mr Thundermaker
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How old is he? Is there an age difference between the two of you whereas he might look at you as a father figure?
The reason I ask this is because he has asked repeatedly to borrow a 1911 and you have said no. Your finances are better than his, and he is out of the military and doesn't appear to have the resources available yet to afford such luxuries. Im just curious as to why he would ask to borrow a more expensive gun from you when on previous requests you have said no.
As for loaning guns, I personally don't have a problem loaning a gun to family and good friends. Right now as I type this, my younger brother has a Rock River Elite Commando 1911 and a Glock 19 of mine. A close friend has a Les Baer Xtreme Tactical 1911 of mine, he is wanting a new 1911 and asked my oppinion and I told that a Les Baer is what I would buy and offered to let him shoot and play with mine to see if he liked it. And yet another friend borrowed a Walther PPK/S for his fiance to try out since he didn't have a .380 for her to try. Any 3 of these of these people are more than welcome to any of my guns, and if I want or need to borrow any of theirs it would be a no questions asked deal. They are all shooters/collectors and are into guns as much or more than me, so I know they will be handled with care and locked up securely when not in use. I would like to add that neither my brother nor my friends asked to borrow anything, I offered. Mr T
The reason I ask this is because he has asked repeatedly to borrow a 1911 and you have said no. Your finances are better than his, and he is out of the military and doesn't appear to have the resources available yet to afford such luxuries. Im just curious as to why he would ask to borrow a more expensive gun from you when on previous requests you have said no.
As for loaning guns, I personally don't have a problem loaning a gun to family and good friends. Right now as I type this, my younger brother has a Rock River Elite Commando 1911 and a Glock 19 of mine. A close friend has a Les Baer Xtreme Tactical 1911 of mine, he is wanting a new 1911 and asked my oppinion and I told that a Les Baer is what I would buy and offered to let him shoot and play with mine to see if he liked it. And yet another friend borrowed a Walther PPK/S for his fiance to try out since he didn't have a .380 for her to try. Any 3 of these of these people are more than welcome to any of my guns, and if I want or need to borrow any of theirs it would be a no questions asked deal. They are all shooters/collectors and are into guns as much or more than me, so I know they will be handled with care and locked up securely when not in use. I would like to add that neither my brother nor my friends asked to borrow anything, I offered. Mr T
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