Took my CCW class today...these people scare me

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But, still, if these people have decided to depend for a gun for self-protection, they should be responsible (of their own recognizance mind you) to train themselves, seek training, and become proficient with their firearm.
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Sure they should. I think everyone should get as much training as they can handle. Certainly in basic safety, maintenance and handling. But I cannot agree that their ability to exercise their natural right to defend themselves should be tied to them getting that training. I will not force anyone to take a test to exercise a right, and it bothers me that there are so many others who are more than willing to do just that because it makes them feel better or is 'for the greater good of society' or some other nonsense.

Even ignorant people have rights.

- Gabe
 
HankB

that happened to me, too. a very elderly gentleman shot my target. he had a hole in my target and holes all over his, even in the margins of the target not hitting the siloutte at all. yet, the instructor STILL passed him. he scored a 199 out of 250. he screwed me out of a perfect 250 score. i was POed.

on the other hand a sweet little ole lady shot a respectable 222 with a DAO smith revolver. she did not know how to shoot, never have fired a handgun. the instructor worked with her and she did well.
 
There was a guy that showed up in my CCW class with his left thumb wrapped up. He had a Walther PPK with him to qualify with. He explained to the instructor that, sure enough, he'd sliced his thumb open with the recoiling slide on the new Walther.

When we go out to the range to qualify, guess what? The guy drops his injured weak-hand thumb right behind the slide again. Luckily for him, the instructor caught it before the call to fire. :rolleyes:
 
I'm not an instructor but in my class I saw a Browning Highpower
in .40S&W with a extended comp that made it look like a longslide.

He said he customized it himself.
 
I think everyone should get as much training as they can handle. Certainly in basic safety, maintenance and handling. But I cannot agree that their ability to exercise their natural right to defend themselves should be tied to them getting that training. I will not force anyone to take a test to exercise a right, and it bothers me that there are so many others who are more than willing to do just that because it makes them feel better or is 'for the greater good of society' or some other nonsense.

Even ignorant people have rights.
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Well said, Gabe. To say that only "someone properly qualified" is entitled to defend their own life in the manner of their choosing is truly despicable, and smacks of Social Planning, IMO.
 
I believe that training is a good thing, if nothing more than to make people think about what they are doing. When people ask me what I would suggest they have for home defense, I would suggest something, and then tell them to consider what type of ammo, style of gun, what they would do when confronted, during the confrontation, and what they would do afterwords. Which atty they would call, who they have as a bondsman, ( if needed), etc.,.

Most usually thought all they needed was a .44magnum or 9mm, and they were ready to go. A tort lawyers dream.

jmo
 
I got my CPL in MI last year. I've shot and hunted since I was 13. I HATE that I had to get a permit. I carried anyway 'sometimes'. But I did it because I feel we need to have as many 'good guys' armed and out there as we can.

Yes we should all train, probably more than we do.
 
Moparmike,

Call Sturms Indoor Pistol Range, I believe Steve teaches some classes, and he does do the required class for AR concealed carry.

(479)927-2244

He is in Springdale, turn right off of 71 on Randall Wobbe road, right next to the pizza hut, then make another right after you cross the railroad tracks onto Old wire. Not real hard to find, but if you werent looking for it you would never know it as there.

Shoot me an e-mail if you need to.
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Maurice, thank you so much for the info. It will really come in handy. BTW, you wouldnt happen to know what the fees are, would you?

Also, what is the general time inbetween taking the classes and applying for the license? I wouldnt be taking the class for a few months at the earliest, and I wouldnt want to take it twice because I started too early.

This is going to sound INCREDIBLY stupid:rolleyes: , but do you have to own a pistol for the classes?:confused:

edited to add: Please, no flames for the retarded question :).
 
The class I attended consisted of 24 people. Only two of them did not go to church with me. All of had some experience so there was no big issue there. I think the biggest disruption we had was when "Big Jim" asked "How many guns can you carry at once?". We all got this picture of him in tactical gear with about 20 guns strapped to him. LOL:D
 
WildtheskyisfallingAlaska,

Georgia has had CCW for over twenty years now. No training required. Before we had CCW we had open carry with no license and no training...and people DID carry openly.

Look at our demogragphics and the ethnic mix.

Guess what? Lawful carry is not a problem. We're not having shootouts during fender benders nor are untrained folks mowing down everyone around them by mistake.
 
As far as scheduling,pirces, etc i do not know, but he does have several different guns you ca rent, including everything from .22s to desert eagles, IIRC.
 
do you have to own a pistol for the classes?
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I don't know about CCW classes, but you can take the NRA Basic Pistol class without owning a gun. It's a good class to help you determine what kind of gun you'd like to buy, also.

- Gabe
 
I got my first trainning with a pistol over fortyfive years ago in the Navy with an old Military Issue Colt 45, that was of questionable linage as to this day I'm guite sure the pistol was wore out as I know I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with it even if I was standing on the inside of the barn. I never could shoot a semi-auto with any degree of accuracy in the military, but if they gave me a revolver I could do a respectable job of qualifying and in the field I was in and at the duty station I was assigned every sailor had to qualify four times a year.

As to the handling of any firearm I've made myself this promise if I ever reach the point where I think I know everything there is to know about firearms that is point where I'll give up all my firearms as that's when I'm going to kill or injure someone or myself.

Now I've owned CCW Permits in both Florida & Washington and I still have one here in Washington, but I seldom Carry with exception of during Hunting Season and the reason for that is to agrivate the Wildlife Officers.

Oh, by the way on the Colt 45, I figured it out why I couldn't hit anything with it, It was because it intimadated me. I was scared of it.
 
Most unusual gun brought to a class? Probably a Ruger Single-Six. The lady who brought it received it as a gift long ago and had not fired it. Didn't want to buy another gun. However she manipulated it well and could put quick successive shots into the target, at least up to 6. Worked for her. Another woman brought a Beretta Bobcat (21a) because she couldn't work the slide on anything else. I guess what amazes me most is how few people showed up with snub-nosed revovlers--probably less than 5%. I had guessed at least 50% would have.
 
This is going to sound INCREDIBLY stupid , but do you have to own a pistol for the classes?

edited to add: Please, no flames for the retarded question .
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No, you don't. In fact, one guy in our class was an armed guard, and the gun he was given by his employer jammed 4 out of first 6 rounds, so the instructor told all of us to stop and brought him out a Glock to finish qualifying.

Sheslinger
 
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