Traditions Nitrofire
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arcticap
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I admire it because it's fool proof and practical.
The only real drawbacks are the price of the Firesticks and not knowing whether they can be reloaded or not.
Folks seem to like it and have said that it's very accurate.
The gun makes it easier to unload and reload whenever needed.
It's reasonably lightweight and handles well.
If the Firesticks can be reloaded then that would be a big plus.
But even if not, if a person doesn't mind the ammo cost then the gun is like having venison in the freezer, and that's the bottom line that counts the most.
Just make sure that it's legal for hunting in your state.
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Stubert
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It's just another way around primitive firearms seasons. i don't know about the legality either, here in New York, the rules state it must be loaded from the muzzle. That leaves a lot open to interpretation.
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It's legal in NY
arcticap
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You're right.
Scroll down this page to see a map showing that NY approved it. --->>> https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/nitrofire/
troy fairweather
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I'd like to try one out, hope you can just push a new primer in. Looks pretty close to a 410 shell but sure it's not.
It's an interesting system. Had the chance to look at one at a nearby pawn shop. They had two of the cartridges, and while I can't tell you if it's a 410 shell, the design looks like it can be printed at home. It's really an interesting design.
Jim Watson
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Wow, the lengths people will go to.
How long will it be before somebody reams out the bullet stop and puts the bullet in the Firestick?
How long will it be before somebody reams out the bullet stop and puts the bullet in the Firestick?
arcticap
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Lots of inlines can be reamed to chamber some sort of cartridge too.
The Nitrofire needs to go through an FFL and is transfered like a modern firearm.
So even if a person reams the bullet stop, it's not an unregistered gun.
The Nitrofire owner can just as easily go and buy a single shot rifle, it would be cheaper than altering a Nitrofire to shoot a centerfire cartridge
Jim Watson
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I think most states use muzzleloading to extend the hunting season because we have more deer and fewer hunters in the Internet Age. So they keep liberalizing the equipment; you can get a complete outfit blister packed at Walmart.
Mississippi allows single shot breechloaders in with the muzzleloaders.
Pennsylvania used to limit you to flintlocks and even now the percussion season is only a week while flintlock is nearly a month.
One state used to require smoothbore muzzleloaders, Thompson Center made .56 smooth Hawkens for the market. I thought it was Indiana or Illinois but they do not have such a limitation... now.
Mississippi allows single shot breechloaders in with the muzzleloaders.
Pennsylvania used to limit you to flintlocks and even now the percussion season is only a week while flintlock is nearly a month.
One state used to require smoothbore muzzleloaders, Thompson Center made .56 smooth Hawkens for the market. I thought it was Indiana or Illinois but they do not have such a limitation... now.
arcticap
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Separate BP hunting seasons is why many of us starting muzzle loading in the first place.
Not as many people would be into archery either if there wasn't a separate hunting season for it.
I didn't think much of it. What's the big deal of unloading it? They advertise one is saving the cost of discharging it at the end of the day. So? A normal muzzle loader would cost $1.30 for granular powder, a sabot, and bullet. And why discharge it? As long as the gun doesn't sweat, it will be good for the next day. Nitrofire costs almost $4.00 a shot. Think what it will cost just to site it in. It's a nice idea to remove the powder cartridge, but how do you remove the projectile? Are you going to forget a projectile is in the barrel the next day and load a second one on top the first? The projectile in the magazine ad looks like it's custom made, but there is no mention what kind it is. Other muzzleloaders have had simple unique ignition systems before and where are they now? If they quit making the cartridges for lack of sales, you have a $500 paper weight.
Actually, the cartridge may be replicable. They say it can't be reloaded, but it looks like it can be replicated on an Ender 3. It itself looks printed.
This is just my opinion and I'm not casting shade on anyone. I think it is one more step toward perverting "primitive" seasons. I still hunt with a sidelock percussion or flint rifle. My choice. After back surgery I had to swallow my pride and pick up a ,"horizontal" bow. Hurt, but I can still hunt.
Illinois from the beginning required a rifles bore. Lol of evolution since the first ml season which required a 38 cal using round ball as a minimum.
I have to say this is one step away from a cartridge firearm. It seems the ATF is quite aware of it and an FFL is required to purchase a Nitrofire rifle. The one and only reason I can think of that somebody would choose to buy this instead of a single shot break open rifle is to hunt during muzzleloading season using a (probably scoped too) modern "muzzle loading" firearm that comes as close as legally possible to having the advantages of a modern cartridge rifle.
I wonder if the reason it has to go through a FFL is because the receiver is the same as their Outfitter and Crackshot cartridge rifles and will accept the cartridge barrels?
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arcticap
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The write up below says that 10 shots were able to be taken without any swabbing or change in accuracy.
This leads me to speculate about whether the Hodgdon Triple 8 powder is a version of Blackhorn 2o9.
There's also a video which shows hardly any smoke exiting the muzzle, and I've watched other similar videos.
That's more evidence that the powder may be like BH 209 if not the same relabeled powder.
Plus Hodgdon bought and now owns the BH 209 brand, so it's possible that's what the Firesticks are loaded with.
100 yards groups were obtained from under .5 inch to 2 inches using the Firesticks which shows how consistent the system is.
The Firesticks also come in 100 grain and 120 grain charges.
1. https://www.americanhunter.org/arti...tions-nitrofire-and-federal-premium-firestick
2. https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2021/2/28/sundaygunday-traditions-nitrofire-muzzleloader
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stillquietvoice
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Don't know about all states, but in NY a caplock is unloaded by removing the percussion cap, flinters by removing the pan charge. Only ed ny removing the 209 primer. There are also devices using CO2 cartridges to blow out powder and ball without discharging.
The g I do see about is how a sharps carbine would be classified considering it loads from the breach.
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