Trail boss recoil question

[Handshaker]

Ok what does everyone think has more felt recoil in a 45-70?
300gr hard cast with 14gr of trail boss vel 1200fps CUP 19,400
405gr Hard cast with 12 grs of trail boss 971fps CUP 24,500
Thanks I'm working up some loads to get use to my new 45-70 derringer. Both Barrels are 45-70, not the more common 45-70 upper and 45c/410 lower barrel. I have some already made up rounds with conventional powder but want a load to plink with.

 

[Tacoma]

A 400gr 1000fps plinking load? Your a braver man than I am.
That will likely be the difference between :
OUCH!!
and
F%##@#*^!!!!! Ouch!!!

 

[buck460XVR]

I doubt if the use of Trail Boss will have any effect on the amount of recoil.

 

[AJC1]

There is zero chance your getting those velocities with that pistol. What is your velocity source...

 

[Handshaker]

As you question has implied, there is no load data specifically for a 45-70 derringer. I got those number from the Hodgdon website for trapdoor rifles. I know i wont get those velocities but were put here for reference only. I have shot quite a bit of low and heavy recoil rounds from my BFR in 45-70 and it was fun to experiment. I usually plink with 30gr of h4198 in my Ruger no1 and marlin 1895GS,both are 45-70. So 12 grains of TB should give much less recoil than 30gr of h4198.

 

[AJC1]

As you question has implied, there is no load data specifically for a 45-70 derringer. I got those number from the Hodgdon website for trapdoor rifles. I know i wont get those velocities but were put here for reference only. I have shot quite a bit of low and heavy recoil rounds from my BFR in 45-70 and it was fun to experiment.

I shoot trailboss out of a marlin XLR and it's very pleasant. This is absolutely the case for starting at a minimum load. It's a cool gun but keeping control of full power loads seem unlikely.

 

[Handshaker]

I shoot trailboss out of a marlin XLR and it's very pleasant. This is absolutely the case for starting at a minimum load. It's a cool gun but keeping control of full power loads seem unlikely.

You underestimate my tolerance of recoil, lol. There are plenty of youtube guys that shoot Hornady lever evolution rounds and hold on to it, even with the short derringer grips. Kentucky ballistics has a video of Scott doing exactly that, with the short grips. I wouldn't be afraid to shoot those rounds either but i don't see a point when there are no grizzlies where I live, lol. I will try it just to say i did tho.

 

[Seedy Character]

I load a 115 gr bullets with 12 gr TB in .30-30.
It is very mild.
3x bullet mass will increase recoil, but that short barrels will expelled a lot of sunburned powder.

400 gr should recoil more.

 

[Handshaker]

Thats kind of what i was thinking so i loaded the 300's today. Thats close to what i load for plinking in my Wichita silhouette pistol in 7mm-int-r. Its really pleasant to shoot with 12gr of TB. I haven't tried TB in my 336XLR because its pleasant to shoot with 110gr speer varmiters with 30gr of reloader 7.
Thanks

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Ok what does everyone think has more felt recoil in a 45-70?
300gr hard cast with 14gr of trail boss vel 1200fps CUP 19,400
405gr Hard cast with 12 grs of trail boss 971fps CUP 24,500
Thanks I'm working up some loads to get use to my new 45-70 derringer. Both Barrels are 45-70, not the more common 45-70 upper and 45c/410 lower barrel. I have some already made up rounds with conventional powder but want a load to plink with.
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Missing isn't any more fun when you're plinking than when you're doing any other kind of shooting so the answer is, it depends on which weight and profile your gun shoots best. If recoil isn't an issue, think about one of the 1873 found in Lymans 44th/45th. You can easily go as low as 10gr. of Unique or 12gr. of Green Dot or use Ed Harris' 13gr. of Red Dot load under either bullet. In such a short barrel, where the powder barely has time to build pressure, you're better off with shotgun powders - .410 powders especially - than rifle powders. Unless you're also looking for a genuine flame-thrower in which case try looking at .410 data for H110/W296 or Blue Dot.

 

[Handshaker]

Thanks for the advise and that would have been nice options if it weren't in the buying climate we are in. Normally I would go buy what's recommended but good luck finding it and I have TB so i will use that.