Traitors amoung us; Cop threatens to shoot OC in the head

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Absolutely disgusted watching this today. A cop who professes to be a 2A advocate repeatedly threatens to shoot two open carriers in the head if they move. He then has his backup officer hold the men at gunpoint while he attempts to lecture them on how he feels they should and shouldn't exercise their Rights. At some point during the encounter he presumably feels "outgunned" and retrieves his rifle and continues the lecture. Towards the end you can hear his conversation with other officers and how hes trying to invent a reason to arrest someone he knows has done nothing wrong.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b59_1384076493


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Com'on Brother, those officers are just reasonable moderates. As in, "It's ok to have your rights, just don't use them."
 
It is unrealistic to think police officers know every law but OC laws are easy enough to know and understand. It is refreshing when an officer knows the law. I was talking with one shortly after the Aurora shooting and we had a discussion on OC vs CC. Almost missed my movie talking to him in the lobby.
 
Wow. Watched the whole thing, and I understand the cop's point of view, too, but as his closing statement says, "What an opportunity to learn.", the cops should ALSO seize the opportunity to grasp that no crime was committed, and thus no probable cause. If MORE armed citizens lawfully packed rifles around town, then the nee-jerk complainants would also learn it was legal, and the cops would not even be inclined to stop and shakedown. This is why we need to EXERCISE rights to keep them, not hide them because someone will complain.
 
I'm not anti cop or anything but there seems to be this attitude amongst many police where they treat folks as if everyone is out to kill them. I understand that the job is "dangerous" but in reality if the attitude represented the truth there would certainly no police left.

I don't know but I have been threatened by police on a few occasions with death by gunshot or a beating for doing...nothing. I'm sure not all police are like this but in all honesty and seriousness Ive run into way more Harless's than Andy Griffiths. YMMV.
 
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SharpsDressedMan said:
"What an opportunity to learn.", the cops should ALSO seize the opportunity to grasp that no crime was committed, and thus no probable cause.
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It was an opportunity to learn was my thought too... I don't buy the whole "doing something egregious" argument as following the law should be dealt with so harshly. Had the officer actually been a "Second Amendment Patriot" (to use the officer's words), he would, have checked the IDs of both to see if they are not felons, and that's it. As for the stop in the first place, there may be a directive for the department to "check out" open carriers. I just hope there is a follow-up conversation with the one who called in the complaint to tell them "open carry is legal".

chuck

PS: The whole thing could have gone better OR it could have gone worse as there may be some that are stopped by someone who disagrees with the Second Amendment.
 
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Traitors amoung us; Cop threatens to shoot OC in the head
Absolutely disgusted watching this today. A cop who professes to be a 2A advocate repeatedly threatens to shoot two open carriers in the head if they move
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Wow, nice selective editing. How about completing what the cop actually said, "if you make a move toward your weapon"?:rolleyes:
I understand the "shoot you in the head" is a little much. But, I see no problem with saying, "I'll shoot you, if you make a move for your weapon". If you have been told repeatedly not to go for your weapon, don't do it until everything is sorted out, or you will get shot.
 
PS: The whole thing could have gone better OR it could have gone worse as there may be some that are stopped by someone who disagrees with the Second Amendment.
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That's the worst part about this encounter. Someone who purports to support our Rights, but threatens and berates those who are exercising their Rights in a manner in which he doesn't agree with.
 
Wow, nice selective editing. How about completing what the cop actually said, "if you make a move toward your weapon"?
I understand the "shoot you in the head" is a little much. But, I see no problem with saying, "I'll shoot you, if you make a move for your weapon". If you have been told repeatedly not to go for your weapon, don't do it until everything is sorted out, or you will get shot.
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There was nothing selective about it. I believe I reported accurately the facts. It is blatantly clear the officers intent was to intimidate, threaten and possibly attempt to justify lethal force if the encounter didn't go the way he wanted it to. This interpretation is further evidenced by the officers statement towards the end of the video (16:42min onward) with regard to what would happen to them at another place in time "there are people out there, they may be wrong but you will still be dead" and "You're taking your life in your own hands"
 
I live in an open carry state but would never push my luck like these two did. There have been several incidents recently of cops being shot at and wounded so all LEOs around here are a bit jumpy, I could end up dead by parading around with a long gun.
Just because a person can open carry does not mean that a person should just to make a point.
IMO cop went way overboard in the lecture but I think these guys knew they were in for a hassle went they went for a stroll open carrying.
 
Ok, so a good chance to observe how things can go -- what to be prepared to face. It sucks, but it happens. Listen politely, disengage as quickly as you can, "Thank you officer, am I free to go?" (lather, rinse, repeat...), and then give him all the hell you and your firends and the internet "communtiy" can muster through the proper channels after.

If you find this sort of conduct offensive, light up that police chief's inbox and the department's business phone like a christmas tree. Whether there is a legal (civil) remedy for this will be up to the lawyers, but you can help with the social remedy by making the department mighty tired of hearing about it. 1 complaint won't get any action. 1,000+ complaints and phone calls will get someone looking at this and having a real heart-to-heart with this hot head.
 
Had the officer actually been a "Second Amendment Patriot" (to use the officer's words), he would, have checked the IDs of both to see if they are not felons, and that it.
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That in itself is illegal if open carry is a lawful activity in WI. (I know Washington law much better) and a police officer here cannot detain a person for engaging in a lawful activity just to check to see that they're not felons. The minimum standards to seize a citizen and demand ID are laid out plainly in the officer's guide to Terry Stops.

Everything else I was going to write were summed up excellently by Sam1911's above.
 
Ok, so a good chance to observe how things can go -- what to be prepared to face. It sucks, but it happens. Listen politely, disengage as quickly as you can, "Thank you officer, am I free to go?" (lather, rinse, repeat...), and then give him all the hell you and your firends and the internet "communtiy" can muster through the proper channels after.

If you find this sort of conduct offensive, light up that police chief's inbox and the department's business phone like a christmas tree. Whether there is a legal (civil) remedy for this will be up to the lawyers, but you can help with the social remedy by making the department mighty tired of hearing about it. 1 complaint won't get any action. 1,000+ complaints and phone calls will get someone looking at this and having a real heart-to-heart with this hot head.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

Neenah Police contact info:
(920) 886-6000
2111 Marathon Ave, Neenah, WI
54956

or the city comment page;
http://www.ci.neenah.wi.us/contact-us.html
 
I grew up in Wisconsin and this is pretty typical behavior for the police of that state. I encourage everyone upset by this to send a message to the city about this. Here was my message to them.

Your police officers reactions during a November 3rd open carry stop are completely uncalled for. Please train your officers on our constitution and the laws of the state of Wisconsin. Threatening citizens with an execution shot to the head for something they haven't even done is ridiculous. Once the officer determined that no laws are being broken there is no need to give someone a 20 minute lecture on there personal opinion. They treated that young man like a criminal just because he was carrying a rifle around in public. I wonder if your police department will treat the citizens who will be partaking in the upcoming gun deer season the same way? Probably not, but in the eyes of the law people deer hunting on public land, and the young man harassed by your department are doing the same thing.

Please don't reply as I have no need to hear some garbage about "ensuring the community is safe", when the fact is your officers are unwilling to accept our constitution for what it is.

Seriously, the officer even retrieved his rifle from his squad car well after he had determined this young man was not a threat. What the hell is that about?
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I'm not anti cop or anything but there seems to be this attitude amongst many police where they treat folks as if everyone is out to kill them. I understand that the job is "dangerous" but in reality if the attitude represented the truth there would certainly no police left.
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Anymore police departments tend to recruit ex military who have been trained to look at civilians as all being threats. This is what they were trained to do when on patrol in what ever third world hell hole they were in. They have also become increasingly militarized with automatic weapons.

If the job is too dangerous then quit.
 
12131 said:
Wow, nice selective editing. How about completing what the cop actually said, "if you make a move toward your weapon"?:rolleyes:
I understand the "shoot you in the head" is a little much. But, I see no problem with saying, "I'll shoot you, if you make a move for your weapon". If you have been told repeatedly not to go for your weapon, don't do it until everything is sorted out, or you will get shot.
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They have no more right to say that than the citizens they were berating....the citizens they were berating had no less right to protect themselves than the cops do....no matter who they are protecting themselves from...
 
I watched less than half the video before it sickened me to watch it any longer. From what I saw, the OIC was exercising a double-standard. He lectured the OC individual on OC rights and yet violated his OC rights. That's just hypocrisy... or maybe he's just stoopid??
 
Another point to ask the police is "Are you going to preach or give me a ticket? One or the other, you don't get to do both." That will force their hand, to either shut them up, or get on with the arrest.
 
Sam1911 said:
Ok, so a good chance to observe how things can go -- what to be prepared to face. It sucks, but it happens. Listen politely, disengage as quickly as you can, "Thank you officer, am I free to go?" (lather, rinse, repeat...), and then give him all the hell you and your firends and the internet "communtiy" can muster through the proper channels after.

If you find this sort of conduct offensive, light up that police chief's inbox and the department's business phone like a christmas tree. Whether there is a legal (civil) remedy for this will be up to the lawyers, but you can help with the social remedy by making the department mighty tired of hearing about it. 1 complaint won't get any action. 1,000+ complaints and phone calls will get someone looking at this and having a real heart-to-heart with this hot head.
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Other than threats to "shoot in the head," I thought the policeman was courteous to those kids. I know a lot of folks in the forum think we should actively exercise our right to carry, but I agree with the cop these stunts hurt our 2A cause (think back to the long discussion about Starbucks). I personally think he did a good job trying to make that point.
 
I wonder when the last time was that an officer was attacked by someone that was openly carrying a weapon?
It seems to me it would be much more effective for a cop like this to harass people that are not openly carrying since that is likely to be the one that shoots someone. Maybe the 80 year old lady walking out of the drug store?
I normally defend LEO's and understand why they do what they do but a Bozo like this one deserves to lose his job AND his right to carry a weapon. His attitude here proves, to me at least, that he isn't overly concerned with the rights of others.
 
TarDevil said:
Other than threats to "shoot in the head," I thought the policeman was courteous to those kids. I know a lot of folks in the forum think we should actively exercise our right to carry, but I agree with the cop these stunts hurt our 2A cause (think back to the long discussion about Starbucks). I personally think he did a good job trying to make that point.
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Oddly enough the job of the police is not to go around detaining people to make them listen to their opinion. They are there to enforce laws. Once they ascertained the intent of the open carry individual, they should have been on their way.
 
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