WinchesterAA
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Why not just use a shoulder rig?
Trooper's gun found in Burger King restroom
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Chipperman
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I'm the only one in this bathroom stall, that I know of, professional enough to leave my sidearm.....
Well, you know the rest.
Well, you know the rest.
fantacmet
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I tend to find it rather curious myself how the police are considered the ultimate experts in firearms. Majority of officers have never even fired a gun before they got their job. Most CHL holders on the other hand tend to be gun people. While they have less "formal" training, chances are they've had the rules of gun safety pounded into their heads over the years. I know I sure as hell have, and I was not part of a pro-gun household growing up. The first "gun" in the house was my pellet gun at age 16. The first real firearm in the house when I was 18 my mother bought me a .22 rifle 3 days after my birthday. Then I moved to Washington for a 6 month snit, and returned with the first handgun of the house when I was 23 or so. While in Washington my grandfather whom I was taking care of (also who incidently I attended his funeral a couple weeks ago, honor guard and all) had a stack of over 300 gun mags. I read each and every one. Especially articles on firearm safety. Firearm safety is instinctive anymore, but I still make a point of not making it routine instinct. That way I am always thinking about it and cannot get complacent with it, that is how accidents happen.
I personally on the rare occasion I am having to leave behind a load of manure at a public place, either put my sidearm on the dispenser if I can safely do so, or I put it in my pants where it's impossible to forget it and people won't notice it. Leaving it in the holster could be considered brandishing. Considering the rather anti-gun liberal attitudes of the average citizen the last thing I want to do is get dragged from my little bit of "personal" time in the stall at gun point by many an officer with stuff hanging from my @$$, only for them to find out they have just wasted a bunch of time and humiliated myself and themselves. Which is gonna tick them off, and they are going to be looking for some excuses to write me some citations or other things.
I once had a rookie officer take my sidearm from me, and take it into "protective custody." I had done nothing wrong, it was just a routine little stop, he was under the impression that all firearms must be taken when encounted. That a CHL made not one iota of difference. I had to jump through about 300 hoops at the property room and 3 hours of BS before I got it back. Only to find out that they were keeping the 60 bucks in ammo, and that they had damaged my firearm, and I was told they would not be repairing it as it was not their policy to pay for the repair of a potential criminals firearm. I asked about the potential criminal part and was told if you are not a police officer and you have a gun then you are criminally inclined, and that more questions would result in removal of my CHL, confiscation of my firearm permanantly and my arrest pending charges. I made many phone calls after that, but thats another story. Needless to say I got nowhere. My firearm is still damaged but I've had it checked and it is still safe to shoot, and accurate enough for a defensive pistol. Although now it does shoot 4-6 inches too low.
Anyway point is, this officer was a bonehead. How he could go 190 miles before realizing it was not there is beyond me. In my day to day goings on I tend to forget it's on my side, as I no longer feel it there. However if I'm a couple of pounds lighter on my hip I notice it. I feel naked. Something just don't feel right. I've almost left my sidearm before. I buttoned up and all that and was trying to figure out why I felt so funny then I realized, ah there we go gun not on hip. Strap it down, there we go MUCH better. 6-10 weeks of training with zero experience with firearms or carrying does not an expert in carrying or safety of firearms make. Especially since that entire time is not focused on firearms only a small portion of it.
Rev. Michael
I personally on the rare occasion I am having to leave behind a load of manure at a public place, either put my sidearm on the dispenser if I can safely do so, or I put it in my pants where it's impossible to forget it and people won't notice it. Leaving it in the holster could be considered brandishing. Considering the rather anti-gun liberal attitudes of the average citizen the last thing I want to do is get dragged from my little bit of "personal" time in the stall at gun point by many an officer with stuff hanging from my @$$, only for them to find out they have just wasted a bunch of time and humiliated myself and themselves. Which is gonna tick them off, and they are going to be looking for some excuses to write me some citations or other things.
I once had a rookie officer take my sidearm from me, and take it into "protective custody." I had done nothing wrong, it was just a routine little stop, he was under the impression that all firearms must be taken when encounted. That a CHL made not one iota of difference. I had to jump through about 300 hoops at the property room and 3 hours of BS before I got it back. Only to find out that they were keeping the 60 bucks in ammo, and that they had damaged my firearm, and I was told they would not be repairing it as it was not their policy to pay for the repair of a potential criminals firearm. I asked about the potential criminal part and was told if you are not a police officer and you have a gun then you are criminally inclined, and that more questions would result in removal of my CHL, confiscation of my firearm permanantly and my arrest pending charges. I made many phone calls after that, but thats another story. Needless to say I got nowhere. My firearm is still damaged but I've had it checked and it is still safe to shoot, and accurate enough for a defensive pistol. Although now it does shoot 4-6 inches too low.
Anyway point is, this officer was a bonehead. How he could go 190 miles before realizing it was not there is beyond me. In my day to day goings on I tend to forget it's on my side, as I no longer feel it there. However if I'm a couple of pounds lighter on my hip I notice it. I feel naked. Something just don't feel right. I've almost left my sidearm before. I buttoned up and all that and was trying to figure out why I felt so funny then I realized, ah there we go gun not on hip. Strap it down, there we go MUCH better. 6-10 weeks of training with zero experience with firearms or carrying does not an expert in carrying or safety of firearms make. Especially since that entire time is not focused on firearms only a small portion of it.
Rev. Michael
Scott Daw
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" SJG26 Posts: 243 I need to get out for lunch more around the valley---lots of goodies out there. And I still here it wasnt a complete "accident" "
I've been hearing from a coworker who lives in easton that they may have been fighting over some woman when it "accidently" went off.
On a second note. when you take your service pistol off. and leave it in the stall, dont you think you'd feel like something is missing, like an extra 2 lbs over what you left behind?
I've been hearing from a coworker who lives in easton that they may have been fighting over some woman when it "accidently" went off.
On a second note. when you take your service pistol off. and leave it in the stall, dont you think you'd feel like something is missing, like an extra 2 lbs over what you left behind?
ugaarguy
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Fantacmet,
When my Air Force enlistment ends next year I'm running the heck out of Idaho before the Oregon leftists overtake it with crap like whatever PD it was did to you. If they tried that in Georgia (well anywhere outside Atlanta) a police chief would be fired or sheriff yanked out of office, not to mention an easy law suit of the city or county. That kind of BS makes me fume. My second cousin is a Sheriff in south Ga. I'll ask him if knows of anyone thru sheriff's associations, etc. who can help you. Did I mention I'm pissed that they did that to you?
When my Air Force enlistment ends next year I'm running the heck out of Idaho before the Oregon leftists overtake it with crap like whatever PD it was did to you. If they tried that in Georgia (well anywhere outside Atlanta) a police chief would be fired or sheriff yanked out of office, not to mention an easy law suit of the city or county. That kind of BS makes me fume. My second cousin is a Sheriff in south Ga. I'll ask him if knows of anyone thru sheriff's associations, etc. who can help you. Did I mention I'm pissed that they did that to you?
gunsmith
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it was a simple mistake
you know, excrement happens.
you know, excrement happens.
fantacmet
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Much appreciated ugaarguy, but I think I've just about given up on it. They don't seem to give two yanks. The gun at least still functions safely and is accurate enough for a service pistol. Originally they showed some interest in paying for damages and such, but didn't make much of an effort other then a single phone call to get in touch with me. If it ever happens again I will call his supervisor right there on the spot while he waits. Let him learn the lesson the hard way and get chewed when his supervisor has to come to location and deal with him, in the cold and wet.
Rev. Michael
Rev. Michael
blinkin357
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I used to work in a court house and noticed a Sig pistol laying on the floor of a stall where there was someone sitting. I waited to see who came out and it was one of the courthouse security officers, a plainclothes deputy sheriff. I didn't say anything but was concerned when I saw the unholstered firearm.
I lost my Benchmade 9100SBT auto knife last year when I accidently left it in a public bathroom stall in my office building. Of course, no one turned it in to the building manager or perhaps he kept it for himself. As expensive as it was and as careless as I was, I decided not to buy another auto knife.
I lost my Benchmade 9100SBT auto knife last year when I accidently left it in a public bathroom stall in my office building. Of course, no one turned it in to the building manager or perhaps he kept it for himself. As expensive as it was and as careless as I was, I decided not to buy another auto knife.
Zundfolge
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He IS a "civilian" ... all police are.
(yes, I know what you meant, but this calling of citizens "civilians" by the po-po is one of my pet peeves).
Camp David
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damarshal said:
While I believe what you are saying, I find that an LEO so forgetful with his gun might also be forgetful with the law, and if indeed such an officer is on the force he/she should be dismissed.
Why?
Why is it easy for officers to make apology for leaving their firearm somewhere, yet they accept no such apology from the public at large? For example, if a person dropped off their child at school and this person was found to be armed (firearm at school) the police would immediately arrest said person and no such apology would be accepted! Why the difference?
I accept your characterization that a firearm might be easy to forget. I also feel that said officer should be dismissed from duty immediately.
jobu07
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+1 Unless you are in the Armed Forces you are a civilian. That includes all Police Officers who are non-active duty military.
Manedwolf
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If one is doing one's business in a bathroom stall, pants are down. Remove holster, tuck holster into pants on floor, fold fabric somewhat over to cover it from passers-by seeing it...but you can't pull your pants up again without picking it up first.
Works for me... Anything you put on the paper dispenser is possible to forget in the shuffle of re-fastening clothing.
Works for me... Anything you put on the paper dispenser is possible to forget in the shuffle of re-fastening clothing.
sterling180
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What a totally irresponsible thing for a cop to do
If a cop needs to use the restroom then he or she are entitled to use the restroom after buying a Burgerking meal,but whatever they should do, they shouldn't leave their gun- holster-belts in the cubicle, after they have finished.Now how stupid can you get,this cop was lucky that that assistant- manager was honest,dillegent and was extremely quick-thinking and not a complete and utter dork-by locking himself in, with the gunbelt-until the police arrived on the scene.As we all know if a gun is misused then someone could have been seriously injured or even killed-and leaving it in a public place like a BurgerKing restraunt toilet-cubicle sparks of sheer and utter buffoonery.
If this happend in the UK, then the duty cop would have been in a hell of alot of trouble with the station Superintendant(Police Cheif),The Deputy Commissioner and Borough-Commander- and would have been immediately suspended by all of them or worst still-FIRED FOR WRECKLESS INCOMPETANCE AND STUPIDITY.
If a cop needs to use the restroom then he or she are entitled to use the restroom after buying a Burgerking meal,but whatever they should do, they shouldn't leave their gun- holster-belts in the cubicle, after they have finished.Now how stupid can you get,this cop was lucky that that assistant- manager was honest,dillegent and was extremely quick-thinking and not a complete and utter dork-by locking himself in, with the gunbelt-until the police arrived on the scene.As we all know if a gun is misused then someone could have been seriously injured or even killed-and leaving it in a public place like a BurgerKing restraunt toilet-cubicle sparks of sheer and utter buffoonery.
If this happend in the UK, then the duty cop would have been in a hell of alot of trouble with the station Superintendant(Police Cheif),The Deputy Commissioner and Borough-Commander- and would have been immediately suspended by all of them or worst still-FIRED FOR WRECKLESS INCOMPETANCE AND STUPIDITY.
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coylh
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These guys should be required to use a lanyard.
Eleven Mike
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Wow. I was totally in support of that cop leaving his gun wherever he chose to leave it. I mean, I figured the RKBA entailed the right to place the gun in any location one chose, but after reading that post, I now realize that my earlier position was entirely wrong.
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