Trophy hunting vs sport hunting

[H&Hhunter]

Sometimes I'm a trophy hunter. Sometimes I'm a meat hunter. Sometimes I do both at the same time. I am willing to eat a once in a lifetime tag if I've set my mind on a trophy. For instance last year on my one and only Shiras Moose bull tag. I decided that I was going to shoot a trophy bull or go home empty handed. I passed up 15 mature bull moose and hunted 8 days before I shot my B&C qualified bull. (I never registered him BTW, I don't do that.I did have him officially scored just out of curiosity though.). Oh yeah and we are still eating the moose meat, just because you mount it doesn't mean you can't eat it! This year, deer hunting I passed up several smallish bucks and finally put my cross hairs on a true trophy that I never got a clean shot at. While trophy hunting for a big buck I killed two does for meat along the way.

When I hunt Africa I am trophy hunting. I want the biggest bull I can find. The meat gets consumed BTW. I've also done some cull hunting in Africa. I've killed several crippled/one horned kudu. I've killed a tuskless cow elephant and have helped farmers out by culling multiple springbok off of hay fields in a day. If I set my sights on a good trophy I hunt for one. But all of cull/meat hunts have been trophies in my mind as well, the experience is the real trophy for me.

 

[Hookeye]

Loin..........cut into chunks and wrap with a 1/2strip of bacon, skewer w toothpick (add a slice of jalapeno pepper).
That's what goes on my grill. Can marinate in Italian salad dressing if one wants.

Also cook em in a skillet, do butter and a bit of Worcestershire....hot, sear one side of a medallion. Reduce heat, flip and pour half a beer around it, add 2 drops of Louisiana hot sauce per medallion and cover. Cook to medium (at most).

Serve w two sides...............acorn squash and wild rice.

Drink the other half of the beer while cooking. Eat the lions with a couple other nice and frosty ones.

 

[Hookeye]

I can't understand folks grinding a whole deer into burger..................know folks that do.

They to a man have....

a lot of kids to feed
are cheap bast*rds
have dulled tastsebuds and or are fat.

Do know guys that have a whole deer done in summer sausage.
That is not cheap.
They have big families.............and give away the stuff as gifts.

Think it kinda best to split the diff............reg deer cut, use the ground for some snack sticks, jerky, summer sausage............and left over ground...........donate to local food kitchen/charity.

 

[Hookeye]

I really don't care what people shoot, or what they do to the meat.............it's their deer.
Make a good shot and throw some in a skillet.
Enjoy.

 

[Hookeye]

Must admit, I am not a "foodie". Will eat fast food now and then, even McD's.
Will say it gets tougher every yr.
Service and food quality sucks.............but occasionally they do make the fries perfect and the mix on the Coke machine is exact...........that together is a bit of a treat.
Well it is nowadays..............because it's such a rare deal.
And contributing to why I avoid them as much as possible.

 

[H&Hhunter]

I can't understand folks grinding a whole deer into burger..................know folks that do.

They to a man have....

a lot of kids to feed
are cheap bast*rds
have dulled tastsebuds and or are fat.

Do know guys that have a whole deer done in summer sausage.
That is not cheap.
They have big families.............and give away the stuff as gifts.

Think it kinda best to split the diff............reg deer cut, use the ground for some snack sticks, jerky, summer sausage............and left over ground...........donate to local food kitchen/charity.

What does grinding lean venison have to do with being fat?

 

[JackSprat]

I can't understand folks grinding a whole deer into burger..................know folks that do.

They to a man have....

a lot of kids to feed
are cheap bast*rds
have dulled tastsebuds and or are fat.

Do know guys that have a whole deer done in summer sausage.
That is not cheap.
They have big families.............and give away the stuff as gifts.

Think it kinda best to split the diff............reg deer cut, use the ground for some snack sticks, jerky, summer sausage............and left over ground...........donate to local food kitchen/charity.

We are not fat,and we are pretty healthy eaters.I do sometimes make a batch of jerky,and trail bolininga,but that is not very good for anyone to eat much of..We make meatloaf,stroganof,a LOT of chili,and other things.It's just how we like it..I will eat backstrap steaks,but to me a deer roast,and big thick deer steaks don't taste near as good as beef.

 

[CraigC]

Carefully remove those loins and slice about an inch thick medallions, pop them on the grill until medium rare. Serve with creamy horseradish sauce, and a celebratory beer.

Stop it!

 

[JackSprat]

Much of it depends on the individual's idea of what constitutes a "trophy". They represent different things to different people. Is it solely for score or it is more personal? For me, it's strictly personal. Sure, it'd be great to be in the record books. I like to hang trophies on the wall but it's not what I'm about. What I consider to be a trophy might be just average for a score hunter. I hunt my own property and for me, the trophy represents the hunt itself and the victory I experience every day having finally reached the point in my life where I'm able to have enough land to hunt on. You can't quantify that with SCI score or point count. I also like hunting other places and when I do, trophy size is a consideration.

What I take issue with is the in-fighting. We all hunt for different reasons and with different goals. We should also respect the choices of others. As long as you're abiding the law and not wasting wildlife, I don't care why you hunt and neither should anybody else. If all you want is meat, there is plenty to go around. If all you care about is score or point count, may your name be added to the record books. What I abhor is hunters judging other hunters because they hunt for different reasons. Some look down their noses at trophy hunting, others deride high fence ranches and some pass judgement for the use of bait. I'm sure some trophy hunters look down on meat hunters but it usually seems to be the other way around. There's a lot of hunting I want to do before I'm too old to get around. Some of it will involve trophies. Some of it won't. Some of it will involve bringing meat home, others will involve donating it. I think we could use a lot less judgement because there are a lot of people who think we shouldn't be able to hunt at all.

There seems to be a misconception among hunters and non-hunters alike that "trophy hunting" involves wasting wildlife. I don't know of any jurisdiction where it's legal to waste wildlife, other than certain pests. I'm sure folks do and if they get caught, I hope they are prosecuted. Seems that a lot of folks assume that it's what happens in Africa, where it's actually less true than it is here. Nothing gets wasted in Africa, they eat and utilize more of their game animals than we do.

Speaking of high fence ranches, I know I've been judged for doing it. I'm 42yrs old and I've done it exactly three times in my life. Two of those times, it really was shooting fish in a barrel and I have little desire to repeat the experience. The third was NOT shooting fish in a barrel. It was fun, it was a learning experience and it was as close as you can get to chasing Cape buffalo through the bush for $2000 and a 14hr drive. Which is part of the appeal. Some folks will never get to go to Africa, New Zealand, Alaska, Canada, etc.. They'll never see a wild kudu or red stag in their native habitat. A high fence ranch is the only opportunity they'll ever have to hunt some species. Some folks simply don't have the time to spend two weeks in Africa but they can spend a couple days at a high fence ranch in the US. Some folks are unable to hunt as they did in their youth due to health issues. One of the fish-in-a-barrel ranches I visited, I wouldn't take anything for the experience because of a man named Dale who I got to meet. I never met a more passionate hunter but due to a stroke and other health problems, he was no longer able to hunt as he did in his younger days. If those places are not for you, don't go but afford others the same choice.

I said nothing that would infringe on someones choice.I responded to this thread with my opinion.I said animals that run in herds{zebras, girraffes,and things like that} in reference to Africa .I am entitled to my opinion of high fence operations,just as you are..

 

[CraigC]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some are just less informed than others. I am merely trying to provide a little perspective for those who may have made up their minds based on very little or incorrect information.

 

[H&Hhunter]

..I also have never figured out why people want to go to Africa,and shoot animals that run in herds,strictly for sport,and trophys.

Jack what is it about herd animals that makes you think they are not challenging to hunt?

 

[JackSprat]

Jack what is it about herd animals that makes you think they are not challenging to hunt?

I didn't say anything about the challenge aspect of it.I just don't grasp wanting to shoot one.I'm not saying that someone else dosnt have the right to want to do it.

 

[CraigC]

I didn't say anything about the challenge aspect of it.I just don't grasp wanting to shoot one.I'm not saying that someone else dosnt have the right to want to do it.

But what's the reason?

 

[MrBorland]

We always call the backstrap tenderloin...The actual tenderloin inside the stomach cavity on even a huge whitetail is not really worth trying to to cut tiny steaks from.

I was referring to the tenderloin inside the body cavity in my earlier post. I've heard it referred to as the "sweet meat" in reference to it's (general) tenderness and to distinguish it from backstrap.

Now wait just a minute....that's the first thing we eat from a deer.
Carefully remove those loins and slice about an inch thick medallions, pop them on the grill until medium rare. Serve with creamy horseradish sauce, and a celebratory beer.

+1, though I personally cut the sweet meat into medallions after cooking it. Regardless, when I've gotten them from tender does, they're as tender and gristle-free as any pork tenderloin I've made, so I was surprised at how tough it was when from a "trophy" buck.

 

[H&Hhunter]

I didn't say anything about the challenge aspect of it.I just don't grasp wanting to shoot one.I'm not saying that someone else dosnt have the right to want to do it.

Okay by that logic we should not hunt elk or deer either. They are both herd species. I'm just trying to figure out your thought process here.

 

[JackSprat]

Now wait just a minute....that's the first thing we eat from a deer.
Carefully remove those loins and slice about an inch thick medallions, pop them on the grill until medium rare. Serve with creamy horseradish sauce, and a celebratory beer.

A great tradition.

I might try that on my next one.

 

[JackSprat]

Okay by that logic we should not hunt elk or deer either. They are both herd species. I'm just trying to figure out your thought process here.

Who said you should not hunt them?..I said I don't PERSONALY understand wanting to go half way around the world shooting zebras,and the like..I was responding to this thread with my opinion,which I guess I am not allowed to have.And Craig C you said you did not like the infighting.You have created all this infighting because of someones opinion striking a nerve with you.This was an enjoyable thread..

 

[CraigC]

Created what infighting? Who's fighting? I just asked you a question, purely out of curiosity and my first post was not directed at anyone here. At all. I am very direct. If I have a problem with what someone posts, I'll quote them and address it directly. I did not do that here.

 

[ZeroJunk]

I have a hard time finding any moral high ground about this one way or the other.

 

[Hookeye]

Like I said in my prev post

quote (bold to point out my specific statement):


I can't understand folks grinding a whole deer into burger..................know folks that do.

They to a man have....

a lot of kids to feed
are cheap bast*rds
have dulled tastsebuds and or are fat.

...................................

I have worked in two large manufacturing facilities.
The guys that grind the loins into burger IMHO do fit a stereotype.

If one differs from that so be it. I don't know anybody personally on this forum, so left my prev post condemning of those I do know.

Also did bow/gun retail for a few yrs, plus gunshows for decades.....I'll stand by my assessment of local Nimrods.

 

[ZeroJunk]

That's interesting. I usually get the entire deer ground. I have no kids to feed. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 175 pounds. Last time I tried to figure it out I am worth a couple of million bucks.

May have dulled taste buds. Don't know.

 

[buck460XVR]

I can't understand folks grinding a whole deer into burger..................know folks that do.

They to a man have....

a lot of kids to feed
are cheap bast*rds
have dulled tastsebuds and or are fat.

.

I'm wonderin' where the cheap part came form. While I have processed my own venison for 40 years, I know of no processor that charges less to grind burger than to cut steaks. Many processors do such a poor job of cutting steaks that many folks just get burger and are done with it. Even tho I process my own, a considerable amount goes into burger, just cause that's what we use and enjoy the most. I use a jerky shooter to make generally a quarter to a half of every deer into jerky. What any of this has to do with Trophy or Sport hunting, I have no clue.

As for Trophy hunting, isn't that really Sport hunting? Other than depredation hunting, the only other type is Subsistence hunting. So IMHO, Trophy Hunting is being picky when Sport Hunting. Depending on how successful I've been, I have gotten to the point of passing up smaller deer in quest of larger/mature deer only. If there's meat in the freezer then I hunt horn, but that don't mean I don't take the meat. Many is the time I wish like with Sport Fishing, there was such a thing as catch and release. One reason I deer hunt with revolvers only anymore. Take a handgun and stillhunt/stalk and even a small buck can be a trophy.

 

[H&Hhunter]

Who said you should not hunt them?..I said I don't PERSONALY understand wanting to go half way around the world shooting zebras,and the like..I was responding to this thread with my opinion,which I guess I am not allowed to have.And Craig C you said you did not like the infighting.You have created all this infighting because of someones opinion striking a nerve with you.This was an enjoyable thread..

Jack,

Really? You feel that you are not allowed to have an opinion after members here ask you for your opinion?

You are running pretty far with a precived conflict that does not exist.

I was only curious as to your comment about "herd" animals. I've never seen that mentioned before. This is completely new to me. Just about every single undulate in Africa or the United States is a herd animal to some degree. I would very much like to hear your opinion on why they should not be hunted.

 

[Art Eatman]

A buddy of mine was a hunting guide on a 120,000-acre south Texas ranch. The usual dude pampering. Before the Mighty Nimrod left with his field-dressed buck, the inner tenders would be cut out, with the explanation that this was to save any dog that ate the remnants of the carcass; the "poison sacs". Those, of course, went in the guides' freezer until feast time.

With beef, the backstrap makes ribeye steaks. The inner tenders are the high-dollar tenderloin steaks.

All I ever did with the poison sacs was cook them until about medium to medium-well. A bit of spices and/or basting; oven or slow-grilled. Superb!

(Dang! Went and made myself hungry!)

 

[JackSprat]

Jack,

Really? You feel that you are not allowed to have an opinion after members here ask you for your opinion?

You are running pretty far with a precived conflict that does not exist.

I was only curious as to your comment about "herd" animals. I've never seen that mentioned before. This is completely new to me. Just about every single undulate in Africa or the United States is a herd animal to some degree. I would very much like to hear your opinion on why they should not be hunted.

Once again,as I have mentioned several times.I NEVER SAID THEY SHOULDN'T BE HUNTED.I have made this point several times.I said I personaly would not enjoy hunting them..If you are itching to tell everyone about how much you may love hunting this type game go ahead.I admit I'm not educated in hunting African game..So instead of you asking me why I have no desire to hunt Giraffe,or zebra,I'll ask you why you think everyone should want to hunt them,because you twisted my saying I had no desire to hunt them into meaning they should not be hunted,I'll twist your desire to hunt such game into they should be hunted by everyone.