Truck-gun tryout: SG bullpup SKS

[ApacheCoTodd]

Got me one of these Shernic Gun Works SKS bullpup stocks at the Phoenix "Small Arms Review" last week and finally got the rifle and stock together.

Ultimately the front sight will come off with the bayonet stud and some form of hider will take their place to streamline things a bit more.

These have a pretty clever alternative forward operating mag release if one wishes to use Tapco detachable mags but I like the smoothness of the fixed 10 rounder better so can't speak to that option just yet.

Having not fired it yet I can only speak to assembly and dry-operating and things seems just fine.

Alternately holding the full size and then the SG option gives the same rock solid muzzle as any of the several "bullpups" I've use din the past.

Mine needed the "longer than normal" trigger wire so I called as instructed and was dealt with swiftly and competently.

The speed of the shipping of the wire as well as firing impressions will follow.

Todd.

 

[sappyg]

Nice set up.

I'm not sure but I think. The sights are backward on the bullpup

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

They are in fact backwards but they have a considerably greater sight radius (percentage wise) that way and I thought in the initial firing, I'd give the rascal as much advantage as possible.

These were near give-aways with the stock and it'll get one of my ACOGS for truck-gun-ness if I like the stock.


Todd.

 

[jobu07]

How does this stock address the rifle's safety? Curious if it was moved with the trigger somehow or if there is a new and separate one added in. Thanks!

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

I could only put up a poopy phone pic as my digital cameras are all at the shop.

if you look closely, there is a slide-bar safety just above the new trigger which very effectively and positively blocks the new trigger from transferring pull to the original.

For right handed shooters (the ONLY ones who should use this stock) it is a positive and convenient push with the trigger finger without altering the right hand grip. Engaging the safety is a very natural left hand thumb push. Again, perfectly placed to not need to alter the grip.



Todd.

 

[Panzerschwein]

This would be even better on a paratrooper SKS.

Short.

 

[jobu07]

I appreciate the explanation Todd. Sounds good for righties!

 

[Arizona_Mike]

You are making me regret selling my very nice, super smoothly milled SKS in the '90s. I only sold it because of people freaking out over what the floating firing pin did to soft Remington primers when the gun was clean and well lubed

Mike

 

[Ironicaintit]

That is pretty slick. I cant wait to read a range report!

Something about the sights though...they look fragile.

 

[MachIVshooter]

This would be even better on a paratrooper SKS.

Not sure it would make legal title I length. SKS receivers only extend 8-1/2" from the breech face.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Cut and thread that barrel back a bit to keep a 26" OAL. Or even SBR it and that will make one sweet little package.
I've always liked the look of a bullpup SKS, but damn me for being a southpaw.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

This would be even better on a paratrooper SKS.

Short.

If I like the overall set up - it'll get cut down a touch when I thread the barrel for a suppressor.

Max "truck-gun"!


Todd.

 

[WardenWolf]

If I like the overall set up - it'll get cut down a touch when I thread the barrel for a suppressor.

Max "truck-gun"!


Todd.

Please keep in mind that using a suppressor in any sort of self-defense scenario is a great way to wind up in prison. It will immediately prejudice the police, prosecutors, district attorney, and jury against you. Your self-defense shooting becomes an "ambush" in the spin of prosecutors. I strongly recommend you do NOT keep the suppressor in the vehicle with the gun. It also creates a legal mess should your truck be broken into and the suppressor stolen.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Please keep in mind that using a suppressor in any sort of self-defense scenario is a great way to wind up in prison. It will immediately prejudice the police, prosecutors, district attorney, and jury against you. Your self-defense shooting becomes an "ambush" in the spin of prosecutors. I strongly recommend you do NOT keep the suppressor in the vehicle with the gun. It also creates a legal mess should your truck be broken into and the suppressor stolen.

And what do you base this on?

Mike

 

[DMK]

Kind of cool actually. I might like of these for my SKS-D (takes AK mags) if the trigger isn't horrible.

How difficult is it to field strip, remove the bolt and gas piston? Can it still be done without tools?

 

[WardenWolf]

And what do you base this on?

Mike

Basic common sense. It's a legal nightmare. Anyone here will tell you using an NFA item for self-defense is stupid when there's alternatives available.

 

[wally]

I'll look forward to hearing how it shoots. What did the stock set you back, price wise?

I've got an old SKS with a pretty bad stock that this would look to improve greatly.

You generally can't use an SKS-D or SKS-M (the ones that take AK mags) in a regular SKS stock unless you remove a lot of material from the magwell area to allow the mag to fit and rock in. I once did one for a "Dragonov" ATI stock and filled bayonet groove and SKS mag hinge area with black epoxy. Turned out pretty well, but it was a lot more work than I'd initially expected.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Please keep in mind that using a suppressor in any sort of self-defense scenario is a great way to wind up in prison. It will immediately prejudice the police, prosecutors, district attorney, and jury against you. Your self-defense shooting becomes an "ambush" in the spin of prosecutors. I strongly recommend you do NOT keep the suppressor in the vehicle with the gun. It also creates a legal mess should your truck be broken into and the suppressor stolen.

In any case - it's for critters and such. I wouldn't think about keeping a long gun in my vehicle for day-to-day, potential self defense issues.

Up-gunned folks, don't take umbrage at that, it's just me.

This rascal would be more for downing not-yet-road-kills up in the White Mountains and the like. Trying to get up to them with my OC/CC handguns in the past has been.... problematic.

 

[Jackal]

Looks cool. I'd definitely ditch the airsoft sights though when time/funds permit.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Kind of cool actually. I might like of these for my SKS-D (takes AK mags) if the trigger isn't horrible.

How difficult is it to field strip, remove the bolt and gas piston? Can it still be done without tools?

Yup, it can be done without tools.

Field strip is simple and I'll highlight it when I get one of my cameras colocated with the rifle.

There's a pin on the left side of the butt-stock with a ring on it. Pull that out, lift the top of the buttstock off and your back to normal bolt access.

Getting the gas tube/piston off means removing 8 (4 each Side) thumbscrews and lifting the top-cover/sight rail. I should think this'll potentially queer your zero but we'll see. Also, SKSs can go lifetimes without having the gas system cleaned.


Todd.

 

[DMK]

You generally can't use an SKS-D or SKS-M (the ones that take AK mags) in a regular SKS stock unless you remove a lot of material from the magwell area to allow the mag to fit and rock in

They say it should work, according to the FAQ on the website:

http://sgworks.com/faqs/

What magazines are compatible with this stock?
OEM 10 round fixed

SKS 20 and 30 round detachable magazines

AK Magazines (If your SKS in its present form is compatible with AK magazines)

Which SKS models does this stock fit?
We’ve fitted it to the Russian, Romanian, Yugoslavian M59s and M59/66, as well as the Chinese (Paratrooper) models. We believe if it’s an SKS, it will fit.

***We have found that there is one type of SKS our stock kit will not work with: the Albanian.

If you have an SKS Model D or M that takes detachable AK Mags, you will not need our Extended Magazine Release Lever.

There are very few Norinco Paratrooper models that have a shorter than standard gas tube. If yours is shorter than standard, it can most likely be made to fit with additional work on the Pistol Grips of our stock kit, before we ship it.

If the measurement from the front edge of your receiver to the nearest edge of your front sling point is at least 11 7/8” it will fit with no additional stock modification.

If it is anywhere from 10 1/4” to 11 3/4″ the stock can still be made to fit but will require additional easy modification by you. You will also need to fabricate a piece of metal that extends your front sling point, if needed. Additionally, the measurement from the front edge of your receiver to the nearest edge of the stock retainer needs to be within 8 3/16″ to 8 5/8″. If not, call us and we can make custom Pistol Grips to fit.

If your measurements are outside of this category, email us to find out what modifications, on our stock, that are involved.

 

[justin22885]

i certainly wouldnt mind seeing something like this with a 10-12 inch barrel

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Update:

Received the "longer than normal" trigger wire in prompt and well packaged manner.

Very pleased with the clear communications and quick action on the part of SG.

Got it in and adjusted up nicely so now off to shooting after Christmas.

Notes:

The upper rail will not allow any of my levered optics mounts to tighten but it is synthetic so, OK. This would be like my A.R.M.S. 19S... Pity, I wanted the ACOG on there but will look around here for another mount with screws.

Screw tightening mounted optics like my EOTech snug up fine and seem quite straight.

Nice trigger action. The transfer of the trigger action from the forward trigger to the original allows for no stretch or expansion so it is almost exactly as smooth and crisp as my original Russian affair.

This thing points from the hip beautifully and is astoundingly balanced.

There's a bit of a strange sound from the trigger return spring but it's no more to get used to than odd action sounds on anything else - it's just that it's right at your right ear.

I imagine I'll have to do some filling at the base of the grip. As shown in the photos, it looks like it might be uncomfortable.

As far as being a "truck gun" - while the length is pleasing, and likely to get shorter still, it is very tall and not entirely smooth rear to front. I like truck guns to slide out butt first with the minimum of snagging and dragging. I'll most likely always keep it in one of my carbine cases like the one shown. I like these squishy "carpet bags" for their decidedly non-tactifool look.

It basically wants a case 36"x11" with the EOTech.

Todd.

 

[justin22885]

does this conversion use a push or pull trigger link?

 

[crazysccrmd]

Your eotech is backwards. Looks like a nice package otherwise. Is it still easy to load with stripper clips?