Trying to decide: Lee Classic Press or RCBS Rock Chucker

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I'm trying to decide whether I want to get a Lee Classic press or RCBS Rock Chucker. A large part of my decision is going to be based off price, but also utility. Here's what I'm thinking:

- I was told that the RCBS would be superior, and that the Lee isn't strong enough to properly resize rifle brass (I plan on reloading .223 and .270 win for the time being, as well as pistol)
- Right now, I want to just get some equipment to learn on. While I don't necessarily agree with the logic, i was told that starting with a progressive wasn't advised, so I figure I'll heed the advice. However, I want to get a progressive press sooner than later, and I am not particularly fond of a large "sunk cost" in my starter press.
- I want to reload, partially to learn how to do it "just in case", but also for cost and performance.
- If I get the Lee, will I be able to use RCBS dies?

So, given the above, what would be the pros and cons of each of the presses? Is the Lee going to be sturdy and precise enough to not frustrate me and impede me from making good ammo? What else might I want to consider?

PS. I will likely be getting the 'starter kit' for whichever press I decide on.

EDIT: Might I also want to consider getting a Lee turret press kit? I think I'd stick with that longer than I would the single stage only press.
 
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Is that the aluminum framed lee press? Are you going to load rifle that's full size(243, 308, 30-06, 7mm mag., etc.) then you really should go with the RCBS unit, IMO.

And the rockchucker master kit is an excellent one.
 
A RCBS Rock Chucker is a very strong press, I am not sure if the Lee is of equal strength. I good friend that broke his Lee press in half loading 8mm, but I don’t know what Lee press it was. My Chucker that I got in 1980 and its still going strong. If you want to save some $$, get a Chucker and use Lee dies. I use RCBS and Lee dies and see no difference, except in the price. As the above post said for big rifle cartridges, a stronger press would be highly suggested
 
I have the Lee Classic press (the one that comes in the Anniversary kit). I have loaded 45 ACP, 357 magnum and 30.06 on this press with no problems. I believe it should handle 223 easily. Also, RCBS dies will work on Lee presses and vice-versa.
 
Lee Classic Cast Press

I've heard good things about the Rock Chucker. It was popular, and a lot of people learned on it and stuck with RCBS afterward.

I have the Lee Classic Cast Press, and I can't imagine a better single stage press. Anyone who said "isn't strong enough to properly resize rifle brass" has NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. I would consider their other advice as suspect as well. The Lee Classic Cast Press is probably the strongest reloading press in existence. Lee had previously made some "good enough" presses, and when the marketing started emphasizing which was stronger, Lee published an ad that showed some large rifle brass being resized on a Lee turret press with the beefy supports turned down to 1/8" pillars. Most presses are significantly overdesigned, partly to make them stiff enough to flex very little so they'll make accurate ammo, and partly to withstand people doing stupid things. With the Classic Cast Press, Lee has abandoned theirdesign philosophy of "it's good enough". The Classic Cast Press is WAY overdesigned, and is extremely beefy. It's by far the most popular press now used for reloading the monster 50 BMG.

The fit and finish on the Lee Classic Cast Press is dificult to contest. It's by all measures, a very nice press, and I'm sure it'll serve you well for your life, and a couple of more generations as well.

I have a Lee LoadMaster progressive press, and I bought the Lee Classic Cast Press for the operations like decapping that are easier on a single stage press, and operations like lead bullet resizing and measuring lead hardness that aren't possible on a progressive. A single stage press is great to learn about reloading, and also great for loading very accurate rifle ammo, and when you decide to expand your pistol reloading capabilities for greater throughput, you'll still need a good single stage press.

I don't see any reason why the RCBS dies wouldn't work with the Lee press, or vice versa. Dillon made some nonstandard dies, but almost everyone uses standard threads, and the length is usually long enough to work in the various presses. You might want to consider using Lee dies though. Lee makes some of the very best dies and they're very inexpensive. Don't let the low price fool you. The quality is excellent. Clean them before using them because there may be a metal chip left from the machining, or more likely some abrasive left from the grinding and polishing process, but the Lee dies work very well and produce excellent ammo.

I highly recommend you finish the reloading process with the Lee Factory Crimp die. It's a great quality control step to ensure your ammo will chamber properly. It makes a nice firm crimp that allows the ammo to withstand rough handling (hunting or any semi-auto use where the ammo will be subjected to recoil). If the bulet is pushed back into the case, excessive and dangerous chamber pressures can result. It probably improves accuracy too, because there will be a more uniform powder ignition because the crimp holds the bullet in place until the pressure builds to a higher value. For precise bolt action rifle shooting, you may want to skip the Factory Crimp die in favor of a collet crimp die, but otherwise, I use the Factory Crimp on all pistol and rifle ammo.

After the single stage, when it's time to reload with greater speed, you'll want either a turret press or a progressive press. The progressive will be twice as fast, but more hassle to set up and maintain. If you don't like fussing with mechanical stuff, get the new Lee Classic Turret press. It's a lot better than the older Lee Turret Press. It has more durable auto indexing, and a much better Lee Safety Prime primer feed mechanism.

http://www.realguns.com/archives/122.htm

I'd skip the deluxe turret kit and buy the components I needed separately. Get a god digital reoading press on eBay. It's a lot faster than the Lee Safety Scale, and a lot less expensive than the electronic scales from Dillon, Pact, RCBS, etc. $22 delivered, and it's readable to .1 grain. I like the Neva brand the best of the three I've tried.

If you decide on a progressive press, you can get the Lee LoadMaster, which is a good value, although most people find the priming system to be fussy and potentially problematic. Stick with one brand of primers that work (CCI work well for me and the brass I'm using). You can also buy a Dillon. You'll pay a lot more, like three times as much, but their guarantee is very good and their presses arrive more setup and ready to go. With the Lee, you'll be learning about progressive reloading, while setting up the press and debugging it. That makes for a steep learning curve. If you have someone nearby who has the experience and is willing to set up your Lee press, then it'll probably be the better buy. You can almost buy a Lee progressive press kit for one caliber for what it costs to buy just the caliber upgrade on a Dillon press.

I started with a progressive press but I reloaded with it single stage to understand the processes, then used it more like an auto-advancing turret press to further familiarize myself, and only then did I graduate to full progressive reloading. Starting with a single stage press is probably a better idea.

I highly recommend the book Modern Reloading Second Edition by Richard Lee. It's usually $12 at www.MidwayUSA.com. The first part is a very good introduction to reloading that's very readable and very educational. It plugs Lee products, but the info applies to any reloading. The last part of the book is the large section of reloading data for all common calibers. There's a ton of good info in there. I read it cover to cover, and usually use loads directly from the load data.

Edit to add:

Oops. I see that you were asking about the Lee Classic Press and my comments related to the Lee Classic Cast Press. Despite the name similarities, the Classic and the Classic Cast are two very different presses. The RockChucker is a lot beefier than the Lee Classic Press. I stick by my recommendations for the Lee Classic Cast Press. It's a lot more press for only a little more money.
 
The Rockchucker is a significantly better press than the Lee and will last you a lifetime and then some. Certainly will do all your rifle and pistol needs. You will learn good reloading habits and when you decide to reload pistol ammo in quantity you can move on to a Progressive from Dillon, HOrnady or RCBS. all three make great Progressive presses.

Take Care

Bob
 
+1 on the RockChucker being MUCH better quality and will last a lifetime. The Lee press, well, let's just say you won't find any Lee products on my loading bench. Just my .02 based on 42 years of reloading experience.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB
 
Lee Classic Cast Single Stage or Turret Press +1

The Lee Classic Cast Press, the single stage one, is made of cast iron and steel and will resize and load anything you can get dies and shell plate for. It is one rugged dude.

We are not talking about earlier Lee single stage presses here. I would put this Classic Cast Press up against anything in the market.

I have the Classic Cast Turret Press version with auto-indexing. I'm not sure how you would break one of these things. All cast iron and steel also.

You can use any dies with it, not just Lee.

A tremendous advantage is you can buy and use the new Lee Safety Prime system with either the single stage press or the turret; and even better, you will never be chasing dead primers all over the floor again. They are positively trapped and stored for easy disposal. Most other presses worry about spent primers not at all, or well afterwards, letting you be the creative sort who figures out how to catch them.
 
What Benedict1 said. The Lee Classic Turret Press is very sturdy. I own one. The single stage press will be very slow loading pistol. With the classic turret press you can use it as a single stage press or auto indexing turret so you are getting the best of both worlds with the Lee classic turret. The classic turret was my first press so I can tell you it is very easy for a beginner to setup and operate. Hope this helps.
Rusty
 
I have the Lee Classic Cast Press, and I can't imagine a better single stage press. Anyone who said "isn't strong enough to properly resize rifle brass" has NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

I was kind of thinking the same! Lee even has a 50 BMG reloading outfit which is supplied with the Lee Classic Cast Press. If it is strong enough for 50 BMG then I would say it is strong enough for any conventional hunting/target cartridge out there with ease!

I think a lot of reloaders still picture the old Lee Challenger aluminum O-frame press , yes the Rock Chucker is much better than this $35 press. The Lee Classic Cast Press is a very SOLID press!

I was told that the RCBS would be superior

As far as RCBS being superior I really didn't see it myself when comparing the two? The Lee at $65 from Midway, at the time, saved me about $45 over the RCBS. If paying an extra $45 makes it superior then I'll give you that.:D

And the bottom line , my Lee Classic Cast Press press has loaded the most accurate ammo I have ever fired!
 
I had the Lee Press that came with the Anniversary Kit; an unmitigated piece of crap if I ever saw one. Avoid it like the plague.

The Lee Classic Cast Press, on the other hand, is one heckuva great piece of equipment. I personally think it's the best thing going in a single-stage press. Extremely strong, has a very durable finish, and the best thing is that it's well under $100.
 
The rockchucker is about ten times stronger & sturdier than you'd need to load any rifle round.

The lee, by comparison, is only five times stronger and sturdier then you'd need to load any rifle round.



I have a lee anniversary kit, and im going to "upgrade" to the lee classic cast turrett.
 
Lee keeps Big Green, Big light Green, and Big Orange honest by coming out with products as good as or nearly as good as its competitors at 1/2 the price. The Cast Press is one of those products.
 
THanks for all the feedback, guys. I think I've decided on the Lee Classic Cast Turret Press. Hard to argue with Lee's prices, and the quality is obvious with a cursory inspection (in contrast to the aluminum stuff).

If not in the quality of finish and things like that, then it's most certainly evident once you take a look at the engineering. Their designs make a LOT of sense.

Now to find out what kind of doohickey I need to properly deprime all my Lake City brass...
 
I have both the Lee Classic Cast and a Rock Chucker.If you need lots of leverage for case reforming(wildcats),specialty rounds(I make blanks)or .50BMG get the LEE.The RCBS RockChucker has been around a long time,its a great single stage press.If you are doing normal stuff like .223,30-30,30-06 etc, it will do it.The RCBS can also be found used cheaply if you shop around.
 
There is apparantly some confusion with some people on which Lee press is being spoken of.

The Lee Classic Cast is the newest single stage in thier line. They went with Cast Iron and steel and in my opinion, is an improvement over the Rock Chucker for a couple of reasons. The first is that it is made of the same material and the linkage is steel. It's ram is actually a little bigger than the RC and has a hole all the way through so the spent primers go through the ram and into a tube attached to the bottom. I really like this feature because there is no more corrossive material sitting in a tray sanding the ram as it goes up and down.

It's clearance is higher than the standard RC, but as I understand it, RCBS has a newer one out called the supreme that has a higher clearance. The Classic Cast is high enough to load the 50 BMG.

I had the RC for awhile and having used both, find the Classic Cast a better press. The thing is that the RC set the bar and those that feel it's superior are either making their point from emotion or haven't seen the new Lee. That said, I don't have anything against a RC either, but the new Lee has the same beef and a couple other nice features - and is about half the price too.
 
The Lee Challenger is the cheap aluminum o-frame press that comes with the Anniv. kit.

The Lee Classic Cast press is the "new" cast iron one and it is stout as heck. I prefer it to the Rock Chucker myself.
 
If you are stuck on the Rock Chucker... all well and fine.

I have 2 JR2's set up in my shop. They cost less than 1 new Rock Chucker. Got both of them at Pawn shops for $40 each. One is dated a 1967 the other is a 1972. (the '67 was unused in the original box). I figure I have thrown the handle on each no less than 40,000 times and they still work like new.

An occasional drop of oil on the Ram and a wipe-down afterwards ensures longevity.

I load EVERYTHING from .32 ACP to .300 WBY.

Lightly Spray-Lube the cases in a clean plastic Painters tray and they don't bind when Resizing, (Clean your dies with Hoppes #9 before/after using).

RCBS has been good to me, parts are easy to come by and last forever.

tbu
 
I have loaded single-stage on a Rock Chucker I bought over a quarter century ago. It's always performed flawlessly; on the other hand, there's nothing much to go wrong. I have loaded for a number of rifle rounds, and formed cases for such as .375 Whelen Improved. If someone were to swipe my Rock Chucker, I'd buy the Lee Classic Turret, no contest.
 
Cracked Butt has an interesting opinion, and probably a valid one. I shudder to think what a Rockchucker might cost if not for Lee and their reasonable prices.

I've got an older Rockchucker, and love it. Trying to get one on Ebay for my son for Christmas and the're all within $30-$40 of what a new Rockchucker Supreme costs at Midway. Guess He'll be getting a Supreme. Oh shoot, their out, got to backorder with a shipping date of 12-28.

There's a lot of Chevy vs. Ford when it comes to Lee vs RDBS. I've got some friends who just love their Lee's, and the Cast one is really very nice. Maybe flip a coin.
:)
 
Just to be different, my Redding Big Boss, IMHO, is as good (in my opinion slightly better) then the Rock Chucker. It is easily enough to do everything from .22 Hornets through my .338 Lapua Magnums including forming a number of wildcats. Can't see ever needing to replace it with another single stage. Now, a turret or progressive addition...maybe, but for single stage at about $115 new all over the net - hard to go wrong.

As for the Lee, well, they do make more economical presses/dies.. In my research and talking to many shooters (competition rifle types) Lee products just were not a good fit for my intended needs. Though after taking my dremel to clean up the burrs, the shellholders work well. :)
 
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