Trying to figure out when we gave full control to .gov

[John3921]

a little place called Appomattox.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Founding Fathers...
In the second Militia Act of 1792, less than 6 months after the Bill of Rights, the first infraction occurred. While the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, it was when keeping and bearing arms became a legal requirement.

The right to keep and bear arms means you have a choice to bear them if you so desire and to not bear them if you don't. The Militia Act squashed this aspect right off the bat.

I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

So by making the militia mandatory for white males of the proper age range, an aspect not present when the 2nd Amendment went into effect months prior, citizens became subjects, albeit armed subjects, but subjects with no choice in the matter. The right became a requirement. This was done by the government, ostensibly for the protection of the new country, including assuring the government's own survival, a theme that has apparently been carried forward, but the methods of preserving the government have changed. In Colonial times, the threats perceived were without more so than within for which the government felt help was needed.

 

[BHP FAN]

1865.

 

[wacki]

Am I correct in thinking that the Great Depression time era was when the people gave the government complete control over our rights which lead to today's debates over our guns?

As far as I can tell, all dictators are proceeded by financial crises.

Ironically, there are many economists at Harvard, Chicago Booth, Stanford and GMU that believe the government caused the great depression. They were just very good at blaming the free market.

Ben Bernanke is part of this camp as well. Proven by his famous toast to Milton Friedman where he said "you are right, we caused [the great depression]. Never again, not on my watch."

 

[230RN]

An immensely edifying and stimulating thread!

Thank you all!

Terry, 230RN

 

[berettaprofessor]

+1 on Lincoln's actions, ZeSpectre. And I would think the second and third tipping points were when we enacted income tax and then when we hid collection of those taxes in the paycheck. Genius, sheer genius.

 

[gunnutery]

I'm one of those that doubts the whole 9-11 attack was caused by terrorists. There will never be enough proof to say whether our government had anything to do with it, but even with that mindset, I'd never even thought about the Great Depression being caused by our government. Very interesting.

I'd also never heard of the Militia Act of 1792, also very interesting.

This is all very sobering really, to know that we can never rest against tyranny, even though we have the rights we do.

It's good to see the vast knowledge that exists here on THR.

 

[John_galt]

Read the Forgotten Man. Evens FDR's own people said they had made things worse near the end. Much of FDR's NewDeal was struck down by the courts. Just took to long. By the time it was struck down people had come to accept it. Health Care will likely be the same but on a much grander scope.