Shawn Dodson
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"Should" is a suggestion, not a requirement.
TSA demonstrate proper travel with gun
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Sistema1927
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Those who think that TSA locks are acceptable haven't read the actual Federal Regulations, 49 CFR 1540.111(c)
Look at (2)(iv): The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.
Note that there is no "should" here. It expressly states the requirement, which a TSA lock does not meet. Yes there has been bad information given here, bad information that could cause you to end up on the wrong side of the law.
If you don't believe, here is a link to the actual regs, not some abbreviated summary that is guaranteed to get people in trouble, like the video in the OP: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/1540.111
Look at (2)(iv): The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.
Note that there is no "should" here. It expressly states the requirement, which a TSA lock does not meet. Yes there has been bad information given here, bad information that could cause you to end up on the wrong side of the law.
If you don't believe, here is a link to the actual regs, not some abbreviated summary that is guaranteed to get people in trouble, like the video in the OP: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/1540.111
packpike
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So it went as I had originally planned, before I saw this erroneous video. I packed my gun in a locked hardcase (no TSA lock) and put it inside of a TSA locked suitcase. I declared it with the ticketing agent. She had me sign an orange card and put it next to my gun case inside the suitcase. I did that to and from and had no issues. No calls from TSA, not specially held bags, etc. I went from CHS thru ATL to DFW on Delta.
Sistema1927
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You did good. Just make sure to do the same on the return trip, and don't listen to Shawn.
packpike
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I came back the same way. No problems either way other than the Special Assistance line at DFW was really long (unattended minors, dogs, etc).
Shawn Dodson
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TSA reply to my e-mail inquiry:
Thank you for your e-mail regarding travel with firearms using Transportation Security Administration (TSA) - recognized locks.
On flights that originate in the United States, passengers may transport a firearm in accordance with 49 CFR §1540.111 under the following conditions:
• the firearm must be unloaded; • it must be in checked, not carry-on, baggage; • it must be in a locked, hard-sided container; and • it must be declared to the airline.
Travelers may use any kind or type of lock for securing firearm cases, including TSA - recognized locks. (emphasis added) However, TSA does not recommend or endorse any specific brand or type of lock to use on firearm containers.
We encourage all travelers to familiarize themselves with TSA Travel Tips prior to their trip. Our Web site, www.tsa.gov, has information about prohibited and permitted items, the screening process and procedures, and guidance for special considerations that may assist with preparing for air travel.. Passengers can go directly to these tips at www.TSATravelTips.us.
We hope this information is helpful.
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My last flight from Reno to Seattle I declared my pistols and suppressor at the ticket counter, signed the declaration forms, and the ticket agent simply put my bag on the conveyer belt with all the other luggage. No special processing by TSA. She said procedures had recently changed.
Thank you for your e-mail regarding travel with firearms using Transportation Security Administration (TSA) - recognized locks.
On flights that originate in the United States, passengers may transport a firearm in accordance with 49 CFR §1540.111 under the following conditions:
• the firearm must be unloaded; • it must be in checked, not carry-on, baggage; • it must be in a locked, hard-sided container; and • it must be declared to the airline.
Travelers may use any kind or type of lock for securing firearm cases, including TSA - recognized locks. (emphasis added) However, TSA does not recommend or endorse any specific brand or type of lock to use on firearm containers.
We encourage all travelers to familiarize themselves with TSA Travel Tips prior to their trip. Our Web site, www.tsa.gov, has information about prohibited and permitted items, the screening process and procedures, and guidance for special considerations that may assist with preparing for air travel.. Passengers can go directly to these tips at www.TSATravelTips.us.
We hope this information is helpful.
TSA Contact Center
My last flight from Reno to Seattle I declared my pistols and suppressor at the ticket counter, signed the declaration forms, and the ticket agent simply put my bag on the conveyer belt with all the other luggage. No special processing by TSA. She said procedures had recently changed.
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jhb
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This thread is a great example of how over thought regulations create chaos and confusion. In the end minor conveniences up to criminal penatlies. Most of the people here have read the laws and regulations and even thought about them and still no consensus.
Shawn Dodson
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ZERO issues with using TSA recognized locks directly on my guncases. Not even a raised eyebrow. Been flying this way all over the country, countless airports, for about a dozen years without a single problem. Yet all the fearmongering street lawyers here insist it's a problem.
Sistema1927
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Shawn, it is only going to take one instance to make you regret your use of TSA locks on your gun case.
1) It could be that someone actually takes the federal regulation seriously and decides to charge you with violation of same, or
2) You have opened up your guns to pilferage by any yahoo who has a TSA key. You do know that these are easy to obtain, don't you? I actually have a couple of them, and could probably have a full set with very little effort.
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-approved-locks-and-the-tsa-couldnt-care-less
Trusting that the TSA knows the law is just about as stupid as asking your local block cop for legal advice.
1) It could be that someone actually takes the federal regulation seriously and decides to charge you with violation of same, or
2) You have opened up your guns to pilferage by any yahoo who has a TSA key. You do know that these are easy to obtain, don't you? I actually have a couple of them, and could probably have a full set with very little effort.
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...-approved-locks-and-the-tsa-couldnt-care-less
Trusting that the TSA knows the law is just about as stupid as asking your local block cop for legal advice.
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