TulAmmo and the Local Range

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How nice... price gouging in a recession. They want you to buy more expensive ammo. Why sell cheaper Russian ammo when you can force someone to pay more for brass cased ammo by simply forbidding it on a false premise. The people who do that are profiteers; nothing more.
 
I'm glad that I have a nice outdoor range that doesn't have such oppressive rules like certain brands of ammo. That is just silly.
 
Got more info today....it actually is okay to use Russian ammo at this range, but in Russian firearms only. It appears that because Russian ammo is designed for Russian firearms, there are never any problems using Russian (Tula) ammo in those weapons. In those instances it is allowed.

However, because of the thermodynamics of steel cases - "the way they heat and cool" - they can cause problems in non-Russian weapons. :)

I can hardly wait to hear what Person #3 has to tell me.... :scrutiny:
 
So many people believe that any eastern Euro/Russian ammo is still corrosive, partly because it has Berdan primers and steel cases.

Let them continue to be ignorant:confused: because it might limit the ammo price increases. My wife's birthday gift to me was a 1,000-rd. case of Tula 7.62x39.
 
Rorge Retson said:
Got more info today....it actually is okay to use Russian ammo at this range, but in Russian firearms only. It appears that because Russian ammo is designed for Russian firearms, there are never any problems using Russian (Tula) ammo in those weapons. In those instances it is allowed.

However, because of the thermodynamics of steel cases - "the way they heat and cool" - they can cause problems in non-Russian weapons. :)

I can hardly wait to hear what Person #3 has to tell me.... :scrutiny:
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so if it would have been a Chinese version of a Russian weapon you would have been forbidden to use steel cased ammo:scrutiny:

LMAO:D
 
Have you considered getting off the rental range and joining a club?

I don't have to deal with this silliness at my club, because the membership is composed of adults who do not, in general, need supervision.
 
That made my evening! Does that RO also know that pulling a diaper over his head makes great hearing protection? Holy cow!!
I have some 1911's and G21's that have shot nothing but cheap Russian ball ammo for years, and it always works 100%. Keep using it, and reload those steel cases too.
 
At this point I am doing it just for the sheer entertainment value. Every time I go there I will ask someone new, then post what they say here.

Subscribing to this thread will be like a box of chocolates...you'll never know what you're gonna get!! ;)
 
Dig up some copper-wash steel cases and ask if they're OK - I've got some really strange-looking "china sports" tokarev ammo that would give an ignorant rental-range commando fits trying to classify, the case and bullet are the exact same shade of dusty red.
I think there's a silver bear variant out there that's the same with zinc-plate as well.
 
Some people don't like Russian steel-cased ammo for perfectly rational reasons. Some guns don't shoot the stuff well and there are some folks who would rather not bother with the additional effort to clean their guns. Some take a "buy American" approach, which also makes sense. On the other hand, some folks dislike Russian steel-cased ammo because they are Anti-Russian bigots. Most of these are the cranky, under-educated old men from the Cold War era that seem to dominate the shooting community. I usually don't mind the cranky, under-educated old men because many of them are colorful and amusing characters. However, if it weren't for Russian steel-cased ammo, I would be forced to shoot about half as often as I do now. So, sometimes I get a little cranky toward the cranky, old anti-Russian bigots in return.
 
The current two indoor ranges that I frequent, and a third that I worked at as a RSO all prohibited "steel case ammo", primarily because most, if not all ammo of this type, also have bimetallic projectiles that spark on the concrete floors and steel backstops.

The concern was that they would ignite unburned powder collected on the range and cause a flash fire (this happen at a competitor range, and is the reason that a periodic sweepdown of the range is a necessity) Additionally, those ranges that use a chunk rubber backstop have a concern about such a flash fire igniting said rubber....not good.
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Thanks for your input as a previous employee/RSO. what boggles me is that why do some ranges allow it, and some don't? If they already know that some steel-cased ammo can potentially be harmful to the range, why isn't there a consistent standard of range material?

The indoor range closest to me lets people shoot all day for $9/pistol and $14/rifle, but does not allow steel cased ammo. For this reason alone I go elsewhere to another range that charges by the hour instead because about half of the ammo I buy is steel-cased Tula.
 
A range where I am a member recently acquired another range that can accommodate rifles up to 30-06 (I know, it's a strange measure of a backstop's capability, but that's another story).

My membership applies there, but I was apprised to bring rifle ammo separate, not in mags, so they can check it for steel. I'm sure they have a reason for this policy (insurance requirements?), but that's none of my concern.

The thing that puzzles me is, why would this not apply to handgun ammo as well?
 
beatledog7 said:
A range where I am a member recently acquired another range that can accommodate rifles up to 30-06 (I know, it's a strange measure of a backstop's capability, but that's another story).

My membership applies there, but I was apprised to bring rifle ammo separate, not in mags, so they can check it for steel. I'm sure they have a reason for this policy (insurance requirements?), but that's none of my concern.

The thing that puzzles me is, why would this not apply to handgun ammo as well?
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Because handgun loads are low velocitey compaired to high powered .30-06 rounds that can penetrate back stop armor.
Barnes TTSX .30-06 160 gn Bullet will produce 3000 FPS muzzle velocity and 3356 foot pounds of kinetic energy
.44 Magnum JHP 180 GN projectile produces 1500 FPS muzzle velocity and 899 FPS KE... Big diffrence
 
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They just want to mine more money off the floor when they sweep up. Don't give them an inch, or they'll try to prevent brass recovery next (I've seen it happen). Tell them you'll shoot whatever ammo casings you want to shoot or you'll take your money elsewhere.

"That brass fell on the floor, it's ours now"

I wouldn't mind, except that they damn sure won't lower their range fees when brass spikes in price...

TCB
 
barnbwt said:
you'll take your money elsewhere.


TCB
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Wish I had ranges to pick and choose from. My range is fairly cheap, but the owner gets on peoples cases for breaking rules that are not in the written regulation (e.g. not enough time between shots)....plus he treats everyone like crap, and berrates people about following rules before they even take their guns out of their vehicles. My dad has been shooting there and spending money on guns, ammo and range fees there for 40 years...and his father for 20+ before that. Neither of them has ever done anything unsafe and to treat someone like an uneducated rube like that is un-called for.

He's threatened to ban everyone who signed into the range on a certain day if he finds out any one person broke a rule on that day.

Rules are important for safety...but I think the way he acts is over the line and as my gramps would say...chicken manure (except like Truman, he won't say manure).
He is the owner, and he makes the rules, but he also accepts people's money and if there were more options available I think his range would end up being empty.
 
Because handgun loads are low velocitey compaired to high powered .30-06 rounds that can penetrate back stop armor.
Barnes TTSX .30-06 160 gn Bullet will produce 3000 FPS muzzle velocity and 3356 foot pounds of kinetic energy
.44 Magnum JHP 180 GN projectile produces 1500 FPS muzzle velocity and 899 FPS KE... Big diffrence
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True, but it seems to me a big chunk of steel slamming into a range backstop with 900 foot pounds of energy would still be a problem. If the backstop can't handle steel core rifle bullets, then hitting it with steel core pistol bullets would also seem to be a bad idea.
 
Certaindeaf said:
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It's been a long while since I've shot any steel case ammo. Check to see if the slug jacket is steel/sintered iron with a magnet.
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When I was stopped from using steel jacked ammo, the range master used a magnet to prove his point. I had other ammo I brought that he said was fine. I don't think there was a hidden motive in this guy - just doing his job.
 
A range where I am a member recently acquired another range that can accommodate rifles up to 30-06 (I know, it's a strange measure of a backstop's capability, but that's another story).
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Possibly ballistic foot-print limitations.
 
Wish I had ranges to pick and choose from. My range is fairly cheap, but the owner gets on peoples cases for breaking rules that are not in the written regulation (e.g. not enough time between shots)....plus he treats everyone like crap, and berrates people about following rules before they even take their guns out of their vehicles. My dad has been shooting there and spending money on guns, ammo and range fees there for 40 years...and his father for 20+ before that. Neither of them has ever done anything unsafe and to treat someone like an uneducated rube like that is un-called for.

He's threatened to ban everyone who signed into the range on a certain day if he finds out any one person broke a rule on that day.

Rules are important for safety...but I think the way he acts is over the line and as my gramps would say...chicken manure (except like Truman, he won't say manure).
He is the owner, and he makes the rules, but he also accepts people's money and if there were more options available I think his range would end up being empty.
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If this is the range I'm thinking of, there are 2-3 other good options in the area. Cavalier, Richmond Conservation, and Colonial.

If not, I guess there are 2 ranges run by grumpy old men in VA
 
My local indoor range does not allow it, but my favorite outdoor range couldn't care less what got shot there.

I learned my lesson with that Tulammo etc. and won't buy it anymore. You get what you pay for. Walmart has Federal 9mm for 11.79/ box.
 
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