Type 99 and Swedish Rolling Block 'Carbine'

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Yesterday I finally got my hands on a Japanese Type 99 in good original shooting condition.

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I'd been looking around for one of these for a couple years, but the ones I found until now either carried ridiculous price tags or were beat to death with bores like sewer pipe. Last month I spotted this one at Simpson's for just under $500 -- mum ground off and bolt mismatched, but the bore is very good, the metal isn't pitted and the two-piece buttstock hasn't separated. I took the action out of the stock last night and the metal was just as good in the places it doesn't show.

This one should have had the plum bolt knob, but the later cylindrical knob bolt works slick. I'll rent some headspace gauges before shooting, though I'm pretty confident it will be OK. I was a bit shocked at the rough exterior finish at this stage of production -- it's clear the last ditch model was right around the corner.

I'd ordered this rifle through the FFL at my local indoor range, since my usual guy is stuck in paperwork limbo while moving his store across town. And since I was at the range anyway to pick up the Type 99, I brought along one of my three 8x58R Swedish rolling block rifles to zero the sights. This rifle had been originally sporterized sometime in the early 20th century; I had two very similar full-length sporters, so I decided to chop the barrel and forend back on one of them to try in a handier carbine length. I cut the barrel back 9" from the muzzle, removed the front sling mount and shortened the forend by about 3".

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Ordinarily I would have had a local gunsmith reattach the front sight for me, but I no longer have a local guy I can trust. After mulling over some expensive out-of-town options, I decided to see whether I could do a halfway decent job on this myself. I went with a Mauser 95 banded front sight, using a 5/8" annular cutter with an 8mm pilot intended for muzzle threading on the end of the barrel and a matching bridge reamer to open up the inside of the sight band. Plan A was to sweat the band into place, but after seeing how firmly the sight fit with just the set screw holding it in place I decided AcraGlas would do the job with less fuss.

At the range my first group printed about 2" right at 10 yards. I have a neat adjustment tool that works great on this type of front sight, so it wasn't hard to walk the groups into the center.

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I kept losing the front sight against the dark target so my groups were pretty pathetic, but the main thing was that I eventually got them centered. All-in-all, pretty good range trip.
 
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I have a round knob bolt you can have if that one is too far out of spec.

Where did you get that sight pusher? Looks pretty slick!

eBay, I think. They're still advertised there anyway:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154725876765?hash=item240661841d:g:uRcAAOSwxxdZaSd2

I bought it long ago and then forgot I had it -- it's pretty small and the canvas rigger bag I use for my shooting gear has way too many pockets!

I'll get back to you about the bolt if mine doesn't pass, thanks!
 
One of the most fascinating things to me about military arms are the differences from early war to late war. Think grafs had some ppu 7.7 brass in stock last I looked. I've got to 99s in limbo for way to long, I'm making cheap lightweight deer rifles side they were cut when I got them. If I can't only find the 2 extractors and firing pin springs I've must have put somewhere not to loose only to forget.

Have you slugged the bore on the 8x58 I've got a 8mm mold I can make you some bullets up, I just finally powder coated them light 44 bullets for you to try.
 
Troy I think the bore should be about .322 or about .323. Didn't know you cast. I would pay for lessons. I also have a Roller in 8x58RD. Dave's fault. I am slowly working on getting some brass for it. Dave sent me a nifty camber adapter for 32 H&R. Working on getting dies and brass for that too. It is nice to be able to shoot these old rifles.
 
the nice thing about the .303 brit-7.62x54R russian-7.65x53 argentine and the 7.7x58 japanese is they all use .311-.312 diamiter bullets. i have loaded for all those and many more milsurp rifles. i have several japanese 99,s right now, but my favorite is this one sent home from the phillipines be my late uncle durning ww-2. i have killed deer with it, useing hornady 174 gr rn bullets a 2300 fps with H-4895. (repo sling added)
 

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Troy I think the bore should be about .322 or about .323. Didn't know you cast. I would pay for lessons. I also have a Roller in 8x58RD. Dave's fault. I am slowly working on getting some brass for it. Dave sent me a nifty camber adapter for 32 H&R. Working on getting dies and brass for that too. It is nice to be able to shoot these old rifles.
Nothing hard about casting, it's been a pain were I live I can't really cast but do some up at my dads using a skillet and a turkey burner which works pretty good. I've had a 8x58r my self but mine turned into a 45-100 sharps.

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One of the most fascinating things to me about military arms are the differences from early war to late war. Think grafs had some ppu 7.7 brass in stock last I looked. I've got to 99s in limbo for way to long, I'm making cheap lightweight deer rifles side they were cut when I got them. If I can't only find the 2 extractors and firing pin springs I've must have put somewhere not to loose only to forget.

Have you slugged the bore on the 8x58 I've got a 8mm mold I can make you some bullets up, I just finally powder coated them light 44 bullets for you to try.

I just got a package of 50 PPU 7.7 brass from Grafs yesterday!

The Swedish rollers have a fairly nominal .323-ish/8mm bore at the muzzle, but a very long leade intended for use with paper-patched bullets. I've got some oversized .329" bullets for the 8x56R Hungarian that some guys on message boards swear by, but haven't done any shooting with myself yet. Most of my brass is partly formed 8x56R that probably needs one round of fireforming before shooting for group size -- it's 2mm short and a couple thou undersize at the case head, so I don't expect much accuracy until the shoulder has fully-formed. At the moment I'm stuck on the indoor range with the .32 H&R chamber converter, waiting for better weather.

BTW, here's a video I made to remember how I attached the front sight, in case I do it again some time and forget how the tools work. There's a short shooting clip toward the end.

https://data-1.utreon.com/v/YT/Iy/NG/GOSsw2JeQBQ/GOSsw2JeQBQ_720p.mp4
 
Looks to be shooting poa with the the front sight from the Argentine mausers look very similar, I have one off a 1891 if you need to get some hight change when you settle on your load. You could green loctite that band on even red would probably be fine if you don't want to Sweat it on.
 
Looks to be shooting poa with the the front sight from the Argentine mausers look very similar, I have one off a 1891 if you need to get some hight change when you settle on your load. You could green loctite that band on even red would probably be fine if you don't want to Sweat it on.

I don't think it's going anywhere -- I used Acraglas Gel.
 
I'm making cheap lightweight deer rifles side they were cut when I got them. If I can't only find the 2 extractors and firing pin springs I've must have put somewhere not to loose only to forget.

Back when they were dirt cheap, I bought half a dozen SKS firing pins for my spares box, then after I sold my last SKS I gave them to a local shooting pal who did the same thing: he put them some place special so he'd be sure they wouldn't get lost. About ten years later he needed one and it took him a week to go through his workbench and storage area before he finally found where he'd put them.

I just finally powder coated them light 44 bullets for you to try.

Cool! It will be interesting to compare them with some of the stuff I've tried so far. Do you have a dedicated toaster oven to bake on the coating?

Friday I got a very heavy box from Matt's Bullets with some extra long 315 grain .430" bullets for the Swiss Vetterli -- I'm hoping these will give me an OAL that will finally feed through the magazine.
 
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Back when they were dirt cheap, I bought half a dozen SKS firing pins for my spares box, then after I sold my last SKS I gave them to my local shooting who did the same thing: he put them some place special so he'd be sure they wouldn't get lost. About ten years later he needed one and it took him a week to go through his workbench and storage area before he finally found where he'd put them.



Cool! It will be interesting to compare them with some of the stuff I've tried so far. Do you have a dedicated toaster oven to bake on the coating?

Friday I got a very heavy box from Matt's Bullets with some extra long 315 grain .430" bullets for the Swiss Vetterli -- I'm hoping these will give me an OAL that will finally feed through the magazine.
Ya $6 at yard sale lol, it seems to work fine tho I should get a thermometer to be sure it's the right temp. These are sized to .430 and think there 165grain I'd have to double check. They shot good in my marlin and my dads super black hawk. Shot some out of the vetterli to.

Here's the ones I did, no light in the house so picture worse then my normal bad pictures lol. After sizing there's not much of a lube Groove so pc makes more sense. I'd guess liquid alox would work good if not powder coated. Don't think there's many 44 bullets this light but there a joy to shoot with a light charge of Unique.

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Ya $6 at yard sale lol, it seems to work fine tho I should get a thermometer to be sure it's the right temp. These are sized to .430 and think there 165grain I'd have to double check. They shot good in my marlin and my dads super black hawk. Shot some out of the vetterli to.

Here's the ones I did, no light in the house so picture worse then my normal bad pictures lol. After sizing there's not much of a lube Groove so pc makes more sense. I'd guess liquid alox would work good if not powder coated. Don't think there's many 44 bullets this light but there a joy to shoot with a light charge of Unique.

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Dude, be sure to pay your electricity bill before spending money on shipping! :)
 
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