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Hi all, I've got a question for the shotgun crowd. I'm just getting into shotguns (already own a sig pistol and few rifles) and was wondering if anyone knows anything about the Chinese manufactured U-87 shotgun.

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/SGN-U87.aspx

I see it at Centerfire with an extra barrel for what looks to be an extremely reasonable price. While I have no illusions about the quality of most chinese-made firearms, I'm pretty interested in this gun as my first, inexpensive (graduating college student) shotgun. It's got the short barrel for HD and then while I've never done it I think I'd like the capability to go hunt sometime with my brother while using the long barrel.

Really looking for a review of the shotgun in General. Esp. if you might own one yourself. Thanks a million guys.

Chris
 
Looks like a Remington 870 clone probably a good value since it has the extra hunting bbl, does it come w/ chokes?
 
Yes, definitely looks like an 870 clone to me too.

-wwII U-boat images definitely add to the "cool factor" for some I'm sure. Thanks for pointing that out Wolf. :)

Don't think it comes with chokes... though I imagine I'd be slugging for deer so no choke necessary as Home Defense would be the only buckshot role I'd own it for.
 
Looks like the same Norinco, with an extra barrel, that's been sold here for a while. Hopefully, MAX100 will be along in a bit to speak to this; he seems to be pretty well versed in the Chinese clone market.
 
Looks like it has a tang safety too.

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Didn't notice the tang safety does anyone own one of these to confirm? There are other chinese clones out there w/ the Remmy safety in the trigger guard. If you buy it post some pix and reviews.
 
I don't know a whole lot about them. I have never seen one in person. What I do know it's loosely base on the 870 and some 870 accessories will fit and some won't. It was designed by Century Arms and made in China, not by Norinco.

Century Arms and China not a good combo.

I would stay away from it until they have been around a little longer and more is known about them. You have to keep in mind that replacement parts will be hard to get.

The IAC Hawk 982 would be a better choice. It's a solid well made shotgun that offers a lot for the money. It's a true 870 copy all accessories and parts will fit. They are a little hard to come by right now until more are imported.


A used 870 would also be a good choice if you can find one in your price range.


GC
 
I have one and love it. I can get on the fiber optic sites faster than anything else I own. It is an 870 clone but it does have a tang safety. I plan on buying a couple more of them.

This article from January 2008 Guns Magazine will tell you every thing you need to know.

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Moving into the general defense shotgun market is an interesting new model designed by Steve Kahaya of Century International Arms. Based largely on the Remington 870 platform, CIA's model has some refinements even Remington overlooked. The best part is the new Ultra 87 is retailing for less than $240.

The last time I looked, Remington had delivered their 9 millionth Model 870. With its double-action bars, a breech bolt locking into a hardened barrel extension, a self-contained, quick-detachable fire control system, and endless gauge and model options, the Model 870 has been the most successful pump-action shotgun in firearm history.


Hot Number

I still remember the day my father traded in his beautiful Fox Sterlingworth for a Model 870 Wingmaster and then had the Remington barrel shortened to 25" and finished off with a Polychoke. Today, can you imagine trading in a genuine Sterlingworth for a Model 870? But that's the level of impact the Model 870 had on shooters during the early 1950's. It was a hot number.

No wonder when it came time for Century International to design the Ultra 87, they selected the most important elements of a time-tested system and then added some improvements of their own.

The Ultra 87 is all business. It's no upland field gun and doesn't handle like one. It's made to be tough, handy and reliable. Its purpose is to place buckshot, shot and slugs downrange with some precision--and it does--So it also rates high in the survival gun category.

Set Apart

At least three features set the Chinese-made Ultra 87 apart from its Remington parentage. Gone is Remington's cross-bolt safety button at the rear of the triggerguard. It was usually too small and too stiff anyway, and it single-handedly created the aftermarket for jumbo head safety conversions. What designer Kahaya did was to replace the triggerguard safety with a tang safety, much like the one found on top of the pistol grip of the Mossberg 500.

In the rear "safety on" position, the Ultra 87 button cams a metal locking block up against the back of the trigger effectively immobilizing it. Pushed forward and taken off safety, the tang button reveals a red dot on the receiver indicating the Ultra 87 is good to go. The tang safety is a vast improvement over the cross-bolt safety. It's handier, faster and ambidextrous.

Given the corrosion problems associated with plastic wad and lead fouling, European shotgun makers, in particular, have done an excellent job in adding that next degree of protection by chrome-plating their bores. Our domestic makers have not. Before and throughout WWII, the Chinese certainly recognized the value of the chrome-plated bores incorporated in Japanese small arms and have continued the practice in much of their own small arms production. Yes, the bore of the Ultra 87 is chrome-plated, offering both improved corrosion protection and ease of cleaning.

The Ultra carries a set of highly visible, red, fiber-optic, open sights. The rear sight is fully adjustable for windage and elevation, producing a clear sight picture of the red front bead snuggled down between two opposed red dots of the rear sight. They're great sights and were dead-on when I slammed slugs downrange. However, I hate to see that strip of daylight beneath the front fiber-optic rod. The fiber-optic rod should be snuggled down against a metal base to reinforce it. The current suspended rod is just too fragile on a serious business gun.

Scope Ready

The Ultra 87 also is drilled and tapped for a Weaver-style base packaged with the gun. I screwed the base right on. It doesn't interfere with the open sights, and it proved ideal for mounting my tried-and-true, tough, old Ultra-Dot. The factory supplied optics base on the Ultra 87 is a real plus in my book.

The black, pebble-grained, synthetic stock is solid, thick-walled and well dimensioned. The molded-in checkering on the forearm and pistol grip could be a bit coarser or sharper and the ventilated, recoil pad would look nicer and stay cleaner if solid-walled, but otherwise, I give the stocking a thumbs-up. One very nice addition to the gun is it comes with factory-fitted sling swivels.

The Ultra is supplied with a clear owner's manual. As I read through it, two items caught my attention. One is a warning the inner receiver surfaces are sharp and not polished off. Yes, they are sharp! I can attest to it. Secondly, in the disassembly/reassembly section, one critical piece of information is missing. If you remove the bolt and slide assembly for cleaning, to reassemble it into the frame, you must depress the right and then the left shell stops in that order as you pull back the fore-end. You will have to disassemble and clean the Ultra 87 because it is factory packed in a heavy preservative.

First, I function tested it by running through a box of 7-1/2 shot at hand-tossed clays. From its 5-shot magazine, it fed, fired, extracted and ejected without a hitch. The synthetic magazine follower is bright yellow, by the way, and provides a good visual check on whether or not there is another shell in the magazine tube.

I've been wanting to try Winchester's new Power Point, 1-ounce Foster-type slugs, with a stated velocity of 1,700 fps. With its open sights and cylinder-bored barrel, the Ultra was a natural test bed. Offhand at 25 yards and without any adjustment to the sights, I placed the first three slugs into a 1-1/4" group in the 10-ring of a B-27 target. My wife is my witness. It doesn't get much better than that.

Century International Arms will be upgrading the Ultra 87 with a 28" fixed choke, sporting barrel plus optional folding buttstocks, pistol grips and heat shields. Combining a time-tested design with improved features and competitively priced, the Ultra 87 fills an important niche in the defensive and survival smoothbore market.

ULTRA 87

Maker: Century Arms international:
430 South Congress Ave., Ste. 1
Delray Beach, FL 33445
(800) 527-1252, www.centuryarms.com

MECHANISM: Pump action
CALIBER: 12-gauge
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 5
OVERALL LENGTH: 39"
BARREL LENGTH: 19"
CHOKE: Cylinder bore
SIGHTS: Adjustable fiber-optic., Weaver-type base for optics
STOCK: Black synthetic
LENGTH OF PULL: 13-7/8"
DROP AT HEEL: 2-3/4"
DROP AT COMB: 1-1/2"
AVERAGE WEIGHT: 7-1/2 pounds
FINISH: Blued
PRICE: $239
 
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Thx for the replies!

Hey all thanks alot for the responses! Keep 'em coming please. I'm just soaking up this shotgun knowledge.

-DaleCooper... looks like it has tang safety yes. According to the rather lengthy article it appears that was one of the improvements over the 870. Cool.

-3006mv I think I'll order one and yes I'll post pictures of it. I'll also detail the fiber optic sight up front that the article mentions being a bit delicate.

-Max 100. Very good input, thank you for your information. I hope the lack of parts availability (non-compatibility) doesn't hurt me too much! I'm too enticed by the extra barrel and the versatility it offers to go for the IAC Hawk... though I must say I'll steer my parents who are looking for a good inexpensive HD gun in that direction.

-TimM... wow that article was exactly what I was looking for! Thanks a lot. It led me to understand what that U was for too! (I had no idea and when searching for info on the gun kept finding microphones????) I can now effectively search for more info on it now. Thanks.

Appreciate the link there 3006mv.

Looks like a pretty good deal if your willing to take a chance on it (it's only 250 bucks shipped and FFLd for me)
 
While I have no illusions about the quality of most chinese-made firearms, I'm pretty interested in this gun as my first, inexpensive (graduating college student) shotgun.

There is a lot of quality workmanship that comes out of China. I worked in a stockroom for a multinational plastic injection manifold company (just got laid off) who sourced a lot of machining to China, and to say the least it's up to par by the company's standards. I was very surprised to see this, so now I don't always think China=cheaply made, but I buy American made if I have the choice.


Don't buy that shotgun. Buy a real 870 now, so you aren't always waiting for the day you buy the real thing. You can find a lot of domestically produced shotguns for $200-$300.
 
Well, I went ahead and purchased that U87 and I gotta say: There's good and there's bad.

The good:
-It DID come with 2 barrels and sling swivels and a scope mount for a pretty good price
-It shoots every time and is easy to clean, simple and reliable. And I really like this quote (thanks deer hunter):
Originally Posted by 9x19sig
Besides the occasional lemon that any manufacturer puts out (maybe besides Freedom Arms), pump shotguns are typically inherently reliable regardless of make
-The safety is well positioned (on the tang) and feels tight
-The fiber optic sights are great, I def. agree with TimM on that one.
-Also, I really am happy to own a shotgun. My collection of firearms is complete as I have one of each type. I am somehow very satisfied by this.


The Bad: It really is a cheap shotgun.
-The gun makes a good beater as a result but Deer Hunter made a good point: I'm going to be waiting for the day when I can buy the real thing now.
-I went shooting trap with it and the front bead site rattled out after a 50 shells or so (new one on the way for free thanks for small blessings)
-Hard to keep rust free as the finish is very substandard. Something very matte and prone to oxidizing. A nice blued barrel would be very preferable in my opinion.
-The synthetic stock is nice b/c it doesn't get water damage or scratched etc but it's just hard plastic. Nothing to bragg about and not very comfortable at all.

All in all, I'd say I got what I payed for. This will do until a few more years go buy and I will upgrade when I have the funds. Not a bad shotgun for the college student/recent grad and reliable enough with good sights for HD should that need arise or hunting fun. But it's really not the real thing and I doubt anyone's really going to want it when I look to upgrade to a nice, American, Wingmaster or decked 500 or something.

Thanks for your help. I'll post pics on request if anyone wants them.

Have a good one and God Bless America.

Chris
 
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