U.S agrees to timetable for UN gun ban

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in todays e amil Yeah she is at it again Hitler I mean HIlary!!!!:banghead:
U.S. agrees to timetable for UN Gun Ban
The United Nations and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are moving forward with their plan to confiscate your guns.

The United States joined 152 other countries in support of the Arms Trade Treaty Resolution, which establishes the dates for the 2012 UN conference intended to attack American sovereignty by stripping Americans of the right to keep and bear arms.

Working groups of anti-gun countries will begin scripting language for the conference this year, creating a blueprint for other countries when they meet at the full conference.

The stakes couldn't be higher.

Former United Nation's ambassador John Bolton has cautioned gun owners about the Arms Trade Treaty and says the UN “is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there’s no doubt that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.”

Establishing the dates for the Arms Trade Treaty Conference is just the first step toward their plans for total gun confiscation.

The worldwide gun control mob will ensure the passage of an egregious, anti-gun treaty...

. . .and that's where Secretary of State Hillary Clinton steps in.

Once the UN Gun Ban is passed by the General Assembly of the United Nations it must be ratified by each nation, including the United States.

As an arch enemy of gun owners, Clinton has pledged to push the U.S. Senate to ratify the treaty. She will push for passage of this outrageous treaty designed to register, ban and CONFISCATE firearms owned by private citizens like YOU.

That’s why it’s vital you sign the special petition I’ve made up for your signature that DEMANDS your U.S. Senators vote AGAINST ratification of the UN’s “Small Arms Treaty.”

So far, the gun-grabbers have successfully kept the exact wording of their new scheme under wraps.

But looking at previous versions of the UN “Small Arms Treaty,” you and I can get a good idea of what’s likely in the works.

Don't let any of the "experts" lull you to sleep by saying "Oh, we have it handled" or "Until you know exactly what's in the treaty you can't fight against it."

Judging by Ambassador Bolton's comments -- who certainly knows what to expect from the American-freedom-hating international crowd that infests the U.N. -- we are certain the treaty's going to address the private ownership of firearms.

If passed by the UN and ratified by the U.S. Senate (which is where we must ultimately make our stand), the UN “Small Arms Treaty” would almost certainly FORCE national governments to:

*** Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding citizens cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally;

*** CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms (all firearms owned by the government are excluded, of course);

*** BAN the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons;

*** Create an INTERNATIONAL gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun CONFISCATION.
 
How about some actual facts. Notice in this "email" the name changes from Arms Trade Treaty to "Small Arms Treaty". Well, there is no such thing as a small arms treaty at the moment. The actual resolution this email is talking about covers "conventional arms" trade.

http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2009/11/01/un-pursue-conventional-arms-trade-treaty

The proposed new treaty, which is expected to be ready for a U.N. Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty in 2012, will regulate the global trade in conventional arms, including fighter planes, combat helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, warships, missiles, battle tanks and armoured personnel carriers.

According to UN documents "Small Arms" are not included in this. That's always on their agenda, no question, but this particular thing is not small arms related.

Even IANSA (ugh, I may vomit) doesn't mention anything about small arms in this:

http://www.iansa.org/un/att.htm

And the actual UN resolution:

http://www.iansa.org/un/documents/ATTresn_Dec08.pdf

Always something to keep on the radar, IANSA would be very happy to see small arms included, but it's not time to freak out yet :)
 
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The email the OP referenced is the usual type of right wing chain email lie.

from factcheck.org:


Q: Has Obama found a "legal way around the Second Amendment"?

A: The administration’s agreement to talk about writing a United Nations treaty to regulate arms exports and imports is a far cry from banning possession of firearms, which Obama says he doesn’t want to do and the Supreme Court has said can’t be done anyway.



FULL QUESTION

Is this correct?

Obama Finds Legal Way Around The 2nd. Amendment and Uses It. The Full Article Here http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

Subject: Obama Takes First Step in Banning All Firearms On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

⬐ Click to expand/collapse the full text ⬏

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.



FULL ANSWER

We’ve received many queries about this chain e-mail, which refers to a proposed United Nations treaty to regulate the global trade of conventional weapons.

Much of what this e-mail claims is simply false. A "complete ban on all weapons for US citizens" isn’t possible under our Constitution, according to the Supreme Court, which held just last year that:

District of Columbia v. Heller, 26 June 2008: (T)he enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home.

Furthermore, if an arms trade treaty ever materializes, the administration won’t be able to "bypass" Congress, as the e-mail maintains. All international treaties require the approval of two-thirds of the Senate before they are considered ratified and in effect.

In addition, the idea that a treaty necessarily would make U.S. citizens "subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments," as the e-mail claims, is wrong. Treaties don’t subject one nations’ citizens to the laws of other nations. They do commit governments to whatever actions a treaty specifies, such as ceasing to test nuclear weapons, in the case of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (a treaty signed by the U.S., but never ratified by Congress).

As for this particular treaty: First of all, it doesn’t yet exist. What is true is that the Obama administration, reversing the line taken by the Bush White House, has voted to support a process that could, in 2012 at the earliest, result in a treaty.

The idea of achieving an international agreement on trade in conventional arms has long been kicking around, and in 2006 the UN General Assembly passed a resolution titled "Toward an arms trade treaty." The measure instructed the UN secretary-general to get the views of all member states on "the feasibility, scope and draft parameters for a comprehensive, legally binding instrument establishing common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional arms." A panel of "governmental experts" was tasked with providing advice as well. The resolution was approved 153-1, the only dissenter being the U.S.

Then in 2008, the General Assembly passed another resolution, this one calling for further efforts toward an arms trade treaty (ATT) through a new open-ended working group. Again, the U.S. provided the only vote against the measure.

Since President Obama took office, though, the U.S. has been more receptive to the notion. In mid-October, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued a statement saying: "The United States is committed to actively pursuing a strong and robust treaty that contains the highest possible, legally binding standards for the international transfer of conventional weapons." And on Oct. 28, the General Assembly voted 153-1 to move forward in preparation for a United Nations conference on the arms trade treaty in 2012 that could yield a formal document. This time, Zimbabwe was the lone naysayer (19 nations abstained).

Some critics of the concept of an arms trade treaty say they believe, like the author of the e-mail above, that it’s a back-door avenue to gun control. In fact, suspicions that the UN wants to seize Americans’ guns have been circulating since the mid-1990s. Those fears dovetail with trepidations that some have about Obama on this issue. John Bolton, former ambassador to the UN under the George W. Bush administration, recently told the NRANews:

Bolton, Nov. 6: The administration is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there’s no doubt – as was the case back over a decade ago – that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control. After the treaty is approved and it comes into force, you will find out that it … requires the Congress to adopt some measure that restricts ownership of firearms. The administration knows it cannot obtain this kind of legislation purely in a domestic context. … They will use an international agreement as an excuse to get domestically what they couldn’t otherwise.

That’s Bolton’s opinion. The fact is that a provision in the resolution’s preamble – included at the request of the U.S. – explicitly recognizes the right of nations to regulate gun sales and ownership within their borders, including through their constitutions:

UN General Assembly Resolution A/C.1/64/L.38/Rev.1, Oct. 28: …Acknowledging also the right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms and national ownership, including through national constitutional protections on private ownership, exclusively within their territory…

Another provision acknowledges that countries have a right to arms for "self-defence and security needs and in order to participate in peace support operations."

Also, two weeks before the General Assembly voted on the measure, Secretary of State Clinton stated a key condition of U.S. approval and made sure the caveat made it into the resolution: The 2012 conference must make its decisions by "consensus," she said. In practical terms, that means every country has veto power on the negotiated agreement, and it won’t go into effect without the approval of all. In short, no treaty will take effect if the U.S. does not agree.

Despite widespread claims like this one, we’ve seen little or no evidence that the Obama administration is doing much to regulate guns or gun ownership. As a candidate Obama did say that he favored reinstating the "assault weapons ban" and closing the "gun show loophole" (which allows some gun buyers to avoid background checks), while the NRA stirred the fears of gun rights advocates. But he also said he believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right to bear arms, and that he would "protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."

Furthermore, since taking office, Obama has not pushed any of his promised gun control measures. Asked about assault weapons at a press conference with Mexican President Felipe Calderon in the spring, he said:

Obama, April 16: I think none of us are under any illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy. And so, what we’ve focused on is how we can improve our enforcement of existing laws. …

The only piece of gun legislation he has signed has been an expansion, not a contraction, of gun owners’ rights: In May, the president signed credit card legislation that included a provision allowing loaded and concealed weapons in national parks.

That hasn’t stopped gun rights advocates from believing that Obama is going to implement sweeping anti-firearms policies. Just since he’s been in office, we’ve been asked if Obama was raising the tax on ammunition by 500 percent (no), if he was dropping the program that allows commercial pilots to carry guns (no), if the "Obama regime" was going to require a federal license to own a handgun (no, again), and whether he was behind a move to tax guns and require owners to report their weapons on their federal income tax forms for 2009 (no - that bill died before Obama was even a U.S. senator).

Nevertheless, a Gallup poll in October found that 41 percent of all Americans and 52 percent of gun owners believe that Obama will try to ban the sale of guns. And people are acting on these beliefs: A run on ammunition has created shortages for sport shooters, and FBI background checks, required of most would-be gun purchasers, were up 25 percent in the first five months of 2009 compared with a year earlier.

These claims may keep coming, but they will continue to be unfounded — until and unless Obama takes real steps to regulate firearms, which so far he has not.

-Viveca Novak

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Cam & Company. NRANews. 6 Nov 2009.

Foster, Mary. "Ammo Getting Scarce as Gun Owners Load Up." Associated Press. 24 Sep 2009.

Daly, Matthew. "Govt: Guns barred from national parks until Feb." Associated Press. 22 May 2009.

Newport, Frank. "Many Gun Owners Think Obama Will Try to Ban Gun Sales." Gallup.com. 20 Oct 2009.

"Resolution 61/89: Towards an arms trade treaty: establishing common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional arms." United Nations General Assembly. 18 Dec 2006.

"Resolution 63/389: Towards an arms trade treaty: establishing common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional arms." United Nations General Assembly. 23 Dec 2008.

"Resolution A/C.1/64/L.38/REV.1: Towards an arms trade treaty: establishing common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional arms." United Nations General Assembly. 28 Oct 2009.

"Arms Trade Treaty, ‘Nuclear-Weapon-Free World,’ Outer Space Arms Race Among Issues, as General Assembly Adopts 54 First Committee Texts." United Nations General Assembly Department of Public Information. 6 Dec 2006.

"General Assembly Ends Main Part of Sixty-Third Session, Adopting Texts on Human Resources Management, New System for United Nations Administration of Justice." United Nations General Assembly Department of Public Information. 23 Dec 2008.

"Sending Six Drafts to General Assembly, First Committee Calls for International Day for World Free of Nuclear Weapons, Conference on Arms Trade Treaty in 2012." United Nations General Assembly Department of Public Information. 30 Oct 2009.

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Mohammed, Arshad. "U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade." Reuters. 14 Oct 2009.

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The email the OP referenced is the usual type of right wing chain email lie.

from factcheck.org:

factcheck.org is owned by the Anneberg Public Policy Center, which has a long history of supporting gun control.

Factcheck has also misrepresented gun control issues in the past to downplay the effect of anti-gun policies by politicians.

So I wouldn't be relying on solely Factcheck.org for any information concerning your right to bear arms. Having said that, it looks like Texas Rifleman has a pretty good answer to this particular UN controversy.
 
If you would like to read for yourself what the UN is attempting on Small Arms, you can find that information here:
http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/SALW/Html/SALW-PoA-ISS_intro.shtml


You can also read past discussions on THR from previous UN Small Arms Conferences.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=306100
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=209889
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=207701
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=207079
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=203117
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=201080
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=190552
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=134643

Suffice it to say there is genuine reason to be concerned about the UN Small Arms Treaty; but that the 2012 meeting mentioned above does not concern that subject.

The general rule is that the Constitution trumps treaty obligations. Thus Heller should be solid protection.

Heller was a 5-4 vote and so far the only protection it has offered is that the Federal government cannot ban possession of handguns in your own home. D.C. still has an extremely restrictive system (an article from the Washington Post noted it took $833.69 (including $275 for handgun) and 15 hours 50 minutes just to buy a single .38 handgun in D.C. and this is AFTER Heller and several subsequent legal frays.

I am not saying Heller wasn't a good thing; but it sure won't save gun owners from a ton of grief if we get lazy or complacent about contacting our elected representatives.
 
With the economy in shambles there is no threat to the gun industry here in the States. A ban on guns in the US would severely cripple the economy more than it already is. It would put millions out of work and cost the US billions of dollars in potential tax revenue each year. The firearms industry is one of the few industries that is still very strong here in the US and the government knows this and as much as some politicians would like to see an outright ban on guns the fact is it would be just another crippling blow to an already damaged economy.

Nothing is going to happen, the sky is not falling.
 
Ughhh!!!!! Here we go again!.....

Yes, Obama has agreed to negotiate an international arms trade treaty. This is a switch from previous administrations who've firmly opposed the current efforts toward this treaty. Here's a link to an article that was published last October about this: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=abkyS4.975YM

Here's some food for though:

1) The US manufactures more than 40% of the world's total arms exports.

2) The US has the toughest laws on both arms exports and offshore licensing (to manufacture).

3) Most illegal arms trade are through foriegn 3rd party enablers in countries with lax controls on illegal trade (IE some of the same folks who are so upset that the US hasn't come to the table till now).

4) The US' manuevering in these negotiations have netted concessions on language that specificly aknowledges individual states' soveriengty and specific language protecting existing domestic law recognizing individual rights to keep and bear arms.

5) Who benefits by passing around emails with exagerated claims about alleged efforts to "take our guns"?

Today, I bought 500 rounds of 22LR CCI Minimag. It is almost double the price I paid for the same 2 years ago. When I commented that it was apparent that ammo and component supply seemed to get better, the guy behind the counter launched into a dissertation about how he's running out again, and he thinks thing are gonna get worse on account of all the LEOs getting shot and the Governor has plans to introduce new gun control laws.

"Hmmm....," says I!
 
For those of you who actually read some of this stuff, here's a link to the Oct '09 resolution setting a time table for negotiating an international arms trade treaty:

http://www.disarm.emb-japan.go.jp/statements/Statement/N0958107.pdf

Notice this resolution falls under the topic heading, "Agenda item 96 (z)
General and complete disarmament: towards an arms trade treaty: establishing common international standards for the
import, export and transfer of conventional arms

The UN has some very high goals, like "world peace". IMHO, Its all touchy-feely and ripe for abuse. This is why I think we can't ignore whats going on. But, I don't think even Obama is going to stand by and let the UN put restrictions on gun ownership here in the USA.
 
The NRA seems impotent to do anything to stop this.

The writing is on the wall. All guns must be confiscated before the class wars get out of hand. As the disparity between the rich and poor escalate, the poor will start class wars as they have done throughout history when he rich crowd out their very survival through greed.

The poor have no other alternative-do they? The rich control the gov and only pass legislation to benefit the rich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_conflict

I read some town in OH banned trash picking. If your caught digging through the trash you can be fined $500 or jailed for 30 days. People that trash pick generally are not rich. They do it trying to survive. Now the local gov has taken away the unemployed's last hopes for honest work of some sort. What is left for them to do to try and eat?

Seems to be many such trends chipping away at our very survival before the SHTF comes knocking at our door. So even if none of our SHTF scenarios come to fruition, living life itself can be a survival feat nowadays. Just look at the Individual Mandate the gov has proposed to fine the poor for not being able to afford health insurance.

I talked with a trash man the other day. I noticed he was working all alone and asked where his buddy was. He said his company keeps downsizing the crew. His trash crew used to consist of a driver and 2 men to load. Then it was cut back to a driver and a loader. Now he does it all - he drives, gets out and loads the trash then back in and drives on.

I asked if the company was worried about burning him out in the icy winter and humid summers. He said there is a line of guys a mile long waiting to take his place when he can't do it any longer. I guess if the trash company could do it by robots they would cut him out as well.

Another guy I talked with said his company converted a lot of the workforce to part time, so they did not have to offer benefits.

A lady mental health therapist said her firm was trying to encourage the higher paid senior therapists to leave, so they could replace them with younger therapists that are paid much less and can be worked longer hours.

The other day I called up toll free directory to find an 800 number. In the old days a live person answered the phone. then they got rid of most of the people and a computer answered the phone. If the computer didn't work, you had the option to talk with a live operator. Now you just talk with the computer and if the computer fails, they just refer you to their website and have dumped all live help.

I'm sure we have all talked with some workers in India trying to figure out some customer service problem we are having.

And it is not just the low paying jobs heading to India. A radiologist told me that the trend is to send the Xrays to India now via facsimile for the Indian MD's to read. Just takes few seconds to export them...so why not save hundreds of dollars so the healthcare industry can make more profits?

Even the poor parking lot attendants are not secure to make min wage. The trend is computerized self serve and dump the gate attendant.

I guess it all started back in the 70's, when China opened up and the turbo capitalist realized how much more money they could make by dumping the US workers and shipping production overseas. Maybe that was the deal Nixon made? You (China) stop trying to take over the world with communism and we will buy your crap so your people can eat?

...and pretty soon we will all be eating chicken from china.

http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUSN0143846720080201

(Actually you are probably eating Chinese chicken right now. The gov enacted a law that does not mandate country of origin data for ingredients that have been processes. Your fast food chicken parts can come from ANYPLACE!)

Guns are a populations last line of defense. Look at Afghanistan...they beat Russia with guns. And the US is still having trouble with 'the people' there from their guns. Let's look at what happens when a country has no guns. Burma was a recent example of what happens. A dictator comes to power with plenty of guns, but when it comes to the populace...they cannot be trusted with guns.

This quote was attributed to George Washington but other authorities say it is a counterfeit quote. Whomever said it...it is gospel.

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon, and citizen's firearms are indelibly related. From the moment the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes; we need them every hour."
 
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