U.S. made ak?

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Probably an odvious question

Are the Commie-bloc rifle designs protected? (AK, SKS, Mosin)

Are there patents?

If not, why haven't any manufacturers started to make a U.S. model. Imagine a NEW SKS in .223 or .308:) made out of better steel and better accuracy.

I bet many would drop $750 for a U.S. sks with modern stock and a u.s. caliber. maybe more accurate. And this would get rid of all the 922r headache.
 
Arsenal Inc makes AK rifles. Some are made from imported parts kits and some where every part is completely made here in the States.
 
Im not an international patent lawyer, but didnt the Ruskies get upset when the Chinese started making them with permission. If you wanted a 223 or 308 ak variant, there is the saiga. They come in 12 gauge too and can be converted to a more traditional Ak appearance.

They also are pretty accurate from what I here.

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I bet many would drop $750 for a U.S. sks with modern stock and a u.s. caliber.
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That's a bet I'd take in a heartbeat if we can work out the details...
 
I bet many would drop $750 for a U.S. sks with modern stock and a u.s. caliber
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Tis singing to the choir to assume that here :) ... I would think the average gun owner is unwilling to spend $500 more for the "Made in USA" stamp.
 
so long as the quality warents 400$ of that extra 500, i would buy it. but if its just 500 for the MADE IN USA stamp, not worth it to me. The russians ( keyword russians, not Chinese, Yugo's, ect) make very good arms and are very fairly priced in comparison to some of the comercial american stuff. ( thats a whole nother rant!)
 
Since the Voluntary Restraint of Trade Agreement in '96, where are you getting Russian Kalishnaklones?:confused:

The American-made weapons by Arsenal are outstanding; however, their market is a very limited niche. People are hesitant to spend $1,100 on an AK when a Romanian is available for a third of that. Gun owners are like water, they always seek the path of least resistance.:)
 
Any way you look at it. Americans ain't going to work for the wages Yugoslovia, Russia, or China get. I prefer to buy American, when I can, but try to make a milled Yogo SKS, and sell it for a profit, for $129.00.
 
I see arsenal makes a milled reciever AK:what: so the whole reason I was looking at the sks possibility is basically gone seeing as that I sould get a longer barrel on the AK. Yes, I understand the whole cheap-price wins.

I figure there would be many who would put down $$$ for a quality US SKS/AK in modern (.223 or hunting) caliber with modern stock, sights, adjustable gas system, worthwhile scope mount...

Just an idea. I haven't put too much though into firearms manufacturing. Too much red tape. I do know a mechanical engineer with a metalurgy focus who could help and a few machinists. A gun smith or two. A prototype could be do-able. Would have to research the laws first. A cost analisys would be last on the list. I figure if it could be done with 1940's soviet technology, it's a garage project now-a-days:neener:
 
I was thinking a US made SKS would be nice in AWB states, but there are already better alternatives. Also, why spend a boat load on a .223 SKS when the imported versions are so cheap and already in AWB states.
 
Since the Voluntary Restraint of Trade Agreement in '96, where are you getting Russian Kalishnaklones?
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http://www.raacfirearms.com/

The '96 agreement thwarts them from coming in with standard furniture. But 20 minutes and a little know how gets you a top of the line Russian made AK. Or even better, you can buy one already that way from me. :)
 
My thought is that the SKS (AK too) is known as a tough design, never clean it, leave it out in the rain. It will still shoot. So make a US "hunting" version in .30-06 or .308 or (some hunting caliber .243 ...) Made new to high quality standards. It's a simple design that is more durable and reliable than many hunting rifles.

I'll email a machinist buddy and get a price quote on a reciever. That would be a quick way to figure overall cost since most other parts are already avaliable from US manufacture. Maybe there would be a market for a milled US made reciever (AK or SKS) with scope mount and barrel/bolt for caliber "X" Have all the "evil" features you want (in California)
 
Go to my sig line, and you can see some of the Tromix ones we do. If you go over the Saiga12.com it will blow your mind what you can do with these things.

The base guns are under $300. Made in the actual Izmash arms factory, have chrome lined barrels, and are 2 MOA or better. Except for the sporter configuration, they are a top of the line AK.

I'm missing why I would want to shell out $700 for an American SKS? And as a guy who sells guns for a living, I'm having a real hard time imagining a lot of customers who would be lining up for one either.
 
I'm missing why I would want to shell out $700 for an American SKS
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well at http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/programming/expand.asp?Prodid=271

a russian AK in .223 is going for $789.00

So getting a milled reciever (AK or SKS) modern sights, new style stock, (pistol grip) choice of many popular US hunting calibers, built on rail/scope mount and detachable magazine option. All made in the USA isn't worth as much as a Russian Equivalent?

Wow, that's why people are importing LADA cars like crazy. That high quality Russian engineering and superior material selection, just makes american cars look like junk.
 
Gun owners are like water, they always seek the path of least resistance.
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That's b/c there's so much resistance everywhere in the form of anti-gun laws, etc. I'd love to buy all American guns, even if they are more expensive, if they were all of equal or greater quality than the Eastern European guns, and if I didn't have to wait so long to save up for the extra $$. These days, that extra time spent waiting might be enough for another AWB to be passed. Just a thought.

I use that logic with cars, too, and I only drive American. But the difference is, I can save up to buy a Buick over a Honda without having to worry that the Buick will be banned in a month when all I have money for is the Honda right now.

Another thing is that the nice guns, e.g. Saiga, come as a neutered "sporter" with a 10-rd single stack mag & no PG. Sure, they feel great & are supposed to be more accurate, but it's like having a Corvette with a governor on set for 10 mph. Sure you can do a conversion, but you need tools, parts, time, and knowledge to do that. All of those things short of knowledge cost $$$ and time. And if you want an already-converted Saiga, you're paying as much as you would for a more expensive rifle--so the WASR 10 starts looking more attractive.
 
that extra time spent waiting might be enough for another AWB to be passed.
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That's a consideration, if I did get a setup to produce these rifles what's to say I'll sell enough to break even before future president hillary bans my gun? Maybe I'll look to get all my cards in order and after the 2008 election, if someone worthwhile wins:rolleyes: and it's feasable give it a go. So yeah, until then I'll buy a russian gun too. Not that they're bad quality. But the fact that the SKS hasn't been made in almost 30 years (except in china, import ban:banghead: ) is reason enough to make them again, no import ban if made here.
 
Correia,
Would this "remove the furniture" magic work on Chinese rifles? There's a thread about a Norinco M14 that sells for $350 canadian at marstar.ca

What are the specifics? If this is possible, there are several Chinese rifles as well that people would be happy to buy.
 
I've got one of those milled receiver AK's from Arsenal -- model SA M7 to be precise. It's a sweeeeet rifle. In fact, it's probably my favorite semiauto. I would part with my custom AR and DSA SA58 Para Congo (FAL) before I'd give up my Arsenal AK. The last time I saw one for sale new, the asking price was around $750, but I got mine for $395 in like-new condition. :neener:
 
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