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U.S. orders 24 long-range bombers to Guam

Military officials: Aim is to send message to North Korea
From Barbara Starr
CNN Washington Bureau
Tuesday, March 4, 2003 Posted: 6:24 PM EST (2324 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Twenty-four bombers will begin moving from bases in the United States to Guam as part of a planned beefing up of U.S. military forces in the Pacific to send a "message" to North Korea, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

The move is part of the U.S. Pacific Command's effort to maintain a robust military presence around the Korean Peninsula while forces are being built up in the Persian Gulf region. Officials say they intend to send a nonthreatening message to North Korea not to take advantage of the Iraqi situation and assume the U.S. military is distracted.

The deployment order for the bombers had long been planned and is not related to last weekend's intercept of an Air Force reconnaissance plane over the Sea of Japan by four North Korean MiG fighters, officials said.

It is not clear how soon the bombers will deploy.

Twelve B-1 bombers and 12 B-52 bombers received deployment orders Saturday. It was not immediately clear where the deployed B-1s are based, or whether the B-52s would come from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota or Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

The Pentagon issued this statement in connection with the deployment:

"As part of our global efforts to address worldwide requirements, we are deploying additional forces to the Western Pacific as U.S. forces are preparing for possible military action elsewhere in the world. These moves are not aggressive in nature. Deploying these additional forces is a prudent measure to bolster our defensive posture and as a deterrent. As the President has said, we are seeking a peaceful, diplomatic resolution of the international community's concerns over North Korea's nuclear weapons program."

The United States said last month that North Korea had reactivated its five-megawatt nuclear reactor, a sign that Pyongyang might be going ahead with its nuclear weapons program.

The plant had been mothballed since 1994. But two months ago, North Korea expelled the U.N. atomic inspectors at the plant and removed U.N. seals on the equipment in preparation for reactivating the reactor.

North Korea, for its part, has never publicly acknowledged that it has a nuclear weapons program, saying only that it needs to restart its reactors because of an acute energy shortage.

The deployment was ordered a month after the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific, Adm. Tom Fargo, requested additional planes and ships be sent to the region.

A number of additional Air Force fighters and other aircraft have been repositioned throughout the Pacific theatre. Pentagon sources said Fargo also proposed sending eight F-15 fighter jets to bases in Japan.

The aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk, based at Yokosuka, Japan, has been deployed to the Persian Gulf.

Pentagon officials have said it is "routine" to increase the number of land-based warplanes in Japan whenever the carrier based there is sent out of the region.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/04/n.korea.bombers/index.html


This is get very scary!! :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:
 
North Korea, for its part, has never publicly acknowledged that it has a nuclear weapons program...
More Clinton News Network brainwashing.... they admitted then retracted their statement.
 
The aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk, based at Yokosuka, Japan, has been deployed to the Persian Gulf.

Yea, that and the Nimitz that left Cali for the Gulf today (CNN News) kind of makes me feel like our backside is hanging in the wind over here.


:banghead:
 
Lennyjoe, just 'cause we SAY we're sending the Nimitz to the Gulf don't make it so. The PDRK may just have reason to fear it showing up in their area.

I have some questions for those familiar with our order of battle in Japan. Do we have Air Force and Army assets in place in Japan to provide any deterrence to the PDRK? The idea of B52's and B1's from Guam trying to bomb the NK's doesn't seem doable. I'd reckon the PDRK's air force could easily deal with unsupported bombers. If we went into a full-tilt campaign for air supremacy, the PDRK would certainly attack across the 38th, and it seems likely they could prevail against the South in a brief, very intense conflict. If all that is true, then what gives with sending bombers to Guam? Is Guam within striking distance of Iraq?
 
Yea, that and the Nimitz that left Cali for the Gulf today (CNN News) kind of makes me feel like our backside is hanging in the wind over here.
Why's that? Aircraft carriers are for projecting force not for defending one's country. We have plenty of Air Force and Air National Guard planes here as well as AF, ANG and Army air defense missles here. Not to mention the fact that there aren't many nations that have the capability to send aircraft here. While we have a lot of troops over in the area or Iraq or Korea we also still have quite a few here both active military and reservists and guardsmen, plus more than a few armed citizens and police officers who could respond to a threat directly on our soil. It isn't exactly like we are leaving ourselves defenseless.
 
What do you call a B-1, a B-2, and a B-52?
Two bingo numbers and a Stratigic Bomber.
(Sorry, I went to college in Minot ND.)

Seriously though, it is scary what's going on over there.
 
Opps, sorry.

In that case I really do not envy your situation. I won't really be able to honestly try to tell you that everything is still ok. Keep your head down, stay alert and hopefully we can get enough air support over there fast enough that if (or when) it goes hot you'll have a chance to hold on until more ground forces get there and hopefully you will have a better chance at coming home and telling your future grandkids some war stories. Sorry I can't do better than that but I really do think something is about to happen there.:(
 
Hutch, we have Kadena AFB on Okinawa and Yakota AFB in the home islands at least. Kadena is the second largest, area wise, base on Okinawa (can you name the largest?)

There's about 47k service members in and around Japan.

The ThirdMarDiv is headquartered on Okinawa.
 
Let me explain this another way.

Seoul will be a burning ruin. The artillery facing south is immense. 60% of our ground forces are between Seoul and the DMZ. Well within range of them artillery pieces. I fear for them guys up there. JimP keep your head down.

Currently the North has around 75% of their ground forces within an average of 50 miles from the border. The numbers they have at the ready are by far more than we have here. We must rely on South Korea ground forces as well as ours. We are outnumbered.

The number of special forces the North has running around the South is unknown but you can bet they are here and will cause caos in the opening hours of a war.

The main thing that worries the North is our Air Force. They cannot compete with us and they know it. First order of business for them is to take out our airbases as soon as possible. We have 2 here. If they have a nuke you can bet one is aimed right where Im at. We all know that here.

Air Forces in Japan can and will be a big help if a war breaks out here. At least 2 if not more carrier groups are needed in this area alone to take up our slack should we get toasted.

Nato forces will take too long to mobilize and deploy enough to slow them down. By then the place I am at will be behind enemy lines.

This is all worst case scenarios at this point but its not to be taken lightly. We will fight to the end if need be. I am ready to do so. Every day here is uncertain since all the crazyness has been going on with the fools up North.

In the end the South Korean people will suffer terrible civilian losses. I dont think the man up North will give a crap about civilian casualties like we do.

Beyond that I cant go any farther in depth with numbers, locations and capabilities.

Live long and prosper.
 
Yo- Lennie Joe my advice is that if your security forces ask for volunteers - do so! USAF is notorious for not arming or at best underarming their non-security force types. Remember you want at least *double basic load* for both your primary and secondary weapons. AND MAKE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THEY LET YOU BATTLE SIGHT ZERO YOUR WEAPON.

The only alternative I can suggest is becoming someone who is considered essential to the reconstitution of the mission should your mission (whatever it may be and do NOT post it on this board) need to be relocated to Oki, or the P.I. or some such. That should get you a seat on an early evac flight. Just be sure you both know the pilot and are on something that can shoot back (like one of the p.j.'s aircraft) if it has to.

BTW: do the ROK artillery up near the DMZ still have the top couple feet of their tubes (including the muzzle) painted bright silver?
 
Not to call anybody's worries into question but I've been reading an article called "Why the North Can't Invade: An assessment of the Military Balance on the Korean Peninsula" by a Sarah Butterfield in "World Outlook" out of Dartmouth College.

Does a pretty good job of showing that North Korea might have a lot on paper but the reality is sorely lacking.

As noted no Air Force to speak of. Lots of old, poorly maintained tanks, majority of troops lacking training. Yes, they do have artillery, but you have to know where to point it for it to be effective, North lacks ability once things start moving.

Indications are that the South is not a paper tiger. While smaller forces they have more training and much better logistical train. Plus they have modern aircraft and tanks.

This is not to say that the North cannot hurt the South but it may not be a bad hurt. Remember that once North takes it's shot they belong to us and ROK.
 
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