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Just for the record...are you still maintaning that you don't hold an ethnocentric view in favor of the Japanese?

After all, I wouldn't want to offend you by being presumptuous.

:rolleyes:

We try to have intelligent discussions here, but your blinding biases are blatant (Say that three times fast.). It's hard for folks to take you seriously on this particular subject.
 
Yeah, like the plantation owners ever invited Japanese to their Sunday dinner tables.

the Japanese formed a partnership with the Filipinos,
-wasn't this to combat exploitation?

Like I said, the only ones to accept the Japanese in Hawaii were the Chinese, Philipinos and Koreans. Importation of labor to Hawaii is not the same as acceptance.

I suppose you are aware that the Japanese are originally descended from Korean stock? Gave Japan justification for invasion in 1600's as well as 1900's.
 
Importation of labor to Hawaii is not the same as acceptance.

My fault...in your original post, I took your use of the word "accept" in a more literal sense. As in, the only people to "allow" them to enter Hawaii.

Like I said, the only ones to accept the Japanese in Hawaii were the Chinese, Philipinos and Koreans. Importation of labor to Hawaii is not the same as acceptance.

With your definition in mind, I'll again say that you are indeed wrong. If we're speaking of an emotional acceptance, building friendships or bonds, then you'd have to leave Koreans out of that equation. I say this only because the Chinese, Filipinos and Japanese were here early on (1880s), and had built a significant community structure LONG before the first wave of Koreans showed up nearly 30 years later.

If you need even more proof of that, do a search on "pidgin English" in Hawaii. It's basically a local creole, made of English, Japanese, Chinese, and Filipino (Illokano/Tagalog) words...no trace of Korean language in it.

SO, again, nobody "accepted" anyone into Hawaii. We all came at the same time, and all built relationships based on that. Nobody decided who was to be accepted here.

By the way, it is my firm belief that ethnocentrism preserves culture; ALL distinctive groups hold ethnocentric views regarding their cultural identity. It is also my firm belief that those who vehemently criticize ethnocentricm do so because they, themselves, lack a cultural identity to embrace (or the means/knowledge and capacity to do so).


NIP
 
If FDR left Asia to the Asians, would the Japanese have attacked Pearl Harbour? Probably not.

The wars against Communist forces in Korea and Vietnam would have been avoided as Japan rather than the United States would have been engaged in there.

I think Charles Lindbergh was right about America First style armed nuetrality.
 
By the way, it is my firm belief that ethnocentrism preserves culture; ALL distinctive groups hold ethnocentric views regarding their cultural identity. It is also my firm belief that those who vehemently criticize ethnocentricm do so because they, themselves, lack a cultural identity to embrace (or the means/knowledge and capacity to do so).

Interesting.

Now define racism.
 
The Nip:
My fault...in your original post, I took your use of the word "accept" in a more literal sense. As in, the only people to "allow" them to enter Hawaii.
You are absolutely correct about the chronology of Asian immigration to Hawaii. Koreans, for example, were basically thought of as scabs and brought in as such to break up "Japanese unions" in Hawaii.

But as you acknowledge already, CWL meant "accept" in a different context.
By the way, it is my firm belief that ethnocentrism preserves culture; ALL distinctive groups hold ethnocentric views regarding their cultural identity.
A dictionary definition of "ethnocentrism" is the "belief in the superiority of one's own ethnic group." It is also an "overriding concern with race" (per www.dictionary.com).

The idea that one ethnic group is inherently superior to another is faulty and unscientific, and usually based on ignorance, fear and jealousy. The more educated people are, the less likely they are to hold "ethnocentric" views.
It is also my firm belief that those who vehemently criticize ethnocentricm do so because they, themselves, lack a cultural identity to embrace (or the means/knowledge and capacity to do so).
My goodness, you love inversion, don't you? I vehemently criticize ethnocentrism, because it is unscientifc, flawed and wrong. I happen to hold a very strong cultural identity - I am an American, pure and simple. I am a product of the American culture, which allows for many ethnicities to coexist and build a prosperous and free society.

For me, whether or not you hold cretinous arguments has nothing to do with the fact that you are a Japanese- or Asian-American, but everything to do with the content of your character and the apparent limits of your education/knowledge.

sixgun_symphony:
If FDR left Asia to the Asians, would the Japanese have attacked Pearl Harbour? Probably not.
You mean if FDR left Asia to the Japanese? Who knows. Maybe the Japanese imperialists would have been happy to enslave the millions of Asians and "leave it at that."

Using your logic, should we have left Europe to Europeans (Germans)? And when we are confronted by the alliance of the now Asian superpower of Japan and the European superpower of Germany, who'd have stood with us? Mexico?
The wars against Communist forces in Korea and Vietnam would have been avoided as Japan rather than the United States would have been engaged in there.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe instead of fighting commies, we'd be fighting German Nazis and Japanese imperialists, now with more resources. Or maybe we'd allied ourselves with the now beleaguered Soviet Union and fight the other two. Or maybe if we still kept our heads buried in the sand ("leave Eurasia - the Soviet Union - to Eurasians - Germans and Japanese"), we'd be all alone against an alliance of global tyranny.
I think Charles Lindbergh was right about America First style armed nuetrality.
Lindbergh was no geopolitical strategist. People really ought to stick to things they know about (for him, that'd been flying and fame).
 
Ethnocentrism does NOT entail the hatred of other groups, as does "racism."

Oh, you mean as exemplified in your "bug-eating primates" remark earlier. I see.

Let me give you still another definition: Ethnocentrism is the last refuge of the No-Account.

It is a false sense of pride based on the deeds of others who happen to share your skin color. It's baseless and unscientific, as Bahadur noted.

Again, if your esteem needs tweaking, how about simply referring to yourself as American. That pretty much trumps everything else anyway.
 
I never claimed to be logical, nor did I claim to be free of ignorance. I'm not a fearful person, nor I am a jealous one; simply one that lives comfortably in a culturally-diverse atmosphere where ethnocentrism adds a flavor, if you will, to our always-peaceful and accepting traditions.

That sounds paradoxial, but trust me...it's not.

AND, if you bothered to read the same post you base my so-called "love of Japanese" on, you'll also notice another thing I said.

I'm an American, an American first and last. Though I often light-heartedly refer to myself as a "Jap," there's only idea, one country, that I'm willing to fight for. Don't ever be confused about that.


NIP
 
Beep, beep. Does not compute. Does not computer. Beep, beep. Internal inconsistency. Beep, beep.

Self-destruct sequence in ten, six, eight, three... Bang!
 
I'm honestly surprised that this thread is still running. Are there any other questions you folks might like to ask? It appears that I've become quite a sideshow attraction for the more left-leaning members here....so hey, I'm game. Seriously.

Ask away.


NIP
 
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