U.S. Troops to Liberia?
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El Tejon
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The CCCP was predicted to go on and on for another 100 years by the CIA. Those in Washington worship government and will always be on the side of their angels--the government no matter who it is.
Never discount the power of people desiring freedom. To paraphrase P.J. O'Rourke the most Evil of Empires with all its secret police, slave camps, tanks and nuclear weapons was destroyed by women refusing to stand in line to buy Bulgarian shoes.
Iran with its religious secret police, its illiterate holy men, and 12th century worldview of a planned society, may be destroyed by 19 year olds wanting to purchase Madonna albums.
Never discount the power of people desiring freedom. To paraphrase P.J. O'Rourke the most Evil of Empires with all its secret police, slave camps, tanks and nuclear weapons was destroyed by women refusing to stand in line to buy Bulgarian shoes.
Iran with its religious secret police, its illiterate holy men, and 12th century worldview of a planned society, may be destroyed by 19 year olds wanting to purchase Madonna albums.
ET, I saw that quote in some OpEd article. If Iran throws off their secular chains,......... I hope it's not about Modanna albums!
The NON-secular government they overthrew before their current government was also pretty bad. Although the 19 year olds can't remember the abuses of the SAVAK, most middle-age Iranians still do.
Did you know it was General Schwarzkopf that assisted the Shah to set up the SAVAK?
Don
El Tejon
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Don, well, The Bear and the boys from the Office of Planning and Research at the FBI. Same plans on file for here some day.
El Tejon
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Don, The Bear is Stormin' Norman's other nickname.
Setting up secret police is something that DoD has been working with the FBI for some time purportedly. I met a couple of febbie types at gun skul and they discussed their office's work on internal security here. The big concern was a tax revolt (could be anything--Patriot Act, gun law, etc.) as the feds understand that as the Congress piles greater and greater burdens upon the productive class in order to further entrench themselves, Atlas may start to shrug and the productive must be kept in line--Nanny State power packs.
This more than anything is what drove the Branch Davidian investigation (people attempting to isolate themselves from the Nanny State). The feds are now preparing for more of this in order to nip it in the bud. The plan is to get ahead of any crisis by being proactive. The Internet monitoring is just one aspect of this (AFTE's forward tracing and gun registration are another aspect).
Granted the project is multi-headed and huge, but the feds are hoping changing technology will help them get a handle on us.
Setting up secret police is something that DoD has been working with the FBI for some time purportedly. I met a couple of febbie types at gun skul and they discussed their office's work on internal security here. The big concern was a tax revolt (could be anything--Patriot Act, gun law, etc.) as the feds understand that as the Congress piles greater and greater burdens upon the productive class in order to further entrench themselves, Atlas may start to shrug and the productive must be kept in line--Nanny State power packs.
This more than anything is what drove the Branch Davidian investigation (people attempting to isolate themselves from the Nanny State). The feds are now preparing for more of this in order to nip it in the bud. The plan is to get ahead of any crisis by being proactive. The Internet monitoring is just one aspect of this (AFTE's forward tracing and gun registration are another aspect).
Granted the project is multi-headed and huge, but the feds are hoping changing technology will help them get a handle on us.
Mike Irwin
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"If Iran throws off their secular chains..."
Iran doesn't have any secular chains to throw off right now.
Iran is currently under religious rule, which replaced the secular government of the Shah in 1979.
"I think the world is expecting the US to take care of this new "tar-baby" crisis (since Liberia was mostly a US invention)."
So freaking what?
As I said, France has indicated that it wants to be the world counterweight to the United States.
What better way than by taking over the peacekeeping role that has been largely filled by the United States in the last couple of decades.
Put up or shut up, Frogs.
Iran doesn't have any secular chains to throw off right now.
Iran is currently under religious rule, which replaced the secular government of the Shah in 1979.
"I think the world is expecting the US to take care of this new "tar-baby" crisis (since Liberia was mostly a US invention)."
So freaking what?
As I said, France has indicated that it wants to be the world counterweight to the United States.
What better way than by taking over the peacekeeping role that has been largely filled by the United States in the last couple of decades.
Put up or shut up, Frogs.
Mil Novecientos Once
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Rummy and Powell speak out
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=3015543
U.S. Resists Pressure to Intervene in Liberia
Mon June 30, 2003 07:13 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States resisted on Monday making any firm commitment to lead a peacekeeping mission to Liberia but said it was considering what it could do to help bring an end to the fighting.
"We are looking at a variety of options and plans and we will discuss it in greater detail tomorrow, but no decisions have been made yet," Secretary of State Colin Powell said in an interview.
Appearing on the PBS program "NewsHour with Jim Lehrer," Powell said the Bush administration was deeply concerned about the situation in Liberia and that U.S. national security officials had met on the subject over the weekend.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the United States was "looking at a range of options" in Liberia.
Asked about U.S. participation in a multinational force, Rumsfeld he told a Pentagon briefing: "That's a call the president (George W. Bush) would make, if and when he decided to make such a call. And he has not."
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan kept up the pressure on the United States on Monday to lead an intervention in Liberia as troops strengthened defenses around battle-worn Monrovia in fear of another rebel attack.
West African countries pledged troops for a peacekeeping force on Sunday, but they want help from the United States to prevent a blood bath in the capital and end nearly 14 years of violence that have infected the impoverished region.
Powell said in the interview that he had spoken with Annan on Monday.
"He and I have been in very close touch on this situation, following it closely, and all of this will be presented to the president in the very near future and then we'll make our decision," Powell said.
U.S. forces are stretched thin by deployments abroad in areas which the Bush administration thinks are of greater strategic significance, especially Iraq and Afghanistan.
The United States does however plan to provide one military expert to an international verification team which would monitor a cease-fire in Liberia.
Western diplomats said the battle for support for intervention in Liberia was far from won in Washington. Even though some State Department officials appeared to be in favor, the Pentagon was still generally uneasy.
Rumsfeld said the State Department has not requested an evacuation operation out of Monrovia.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=3015543
U.S. Resists Pressure to Intervene in Liberia
Mon June 30, 2003 07:13 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States resisted on Monday making any firm commitment to lead a peacekeeping mission to Liberia but said it was considering what it could do to help bring an end to the fighting.
"We are looking at a variety of options and plans and we will discuss it in greater detail tomorrow, but no decisions have been made yet," Secretary of State Colin Powell said in an interview.
Appearing on the PBS program "NewsHour with Jim Lehrer," Powell said the Bush administration was deeply concerned about the situation in Liberia and that U.S. national security officials had met on the subject over the weekend.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the United States was "looking at a range of options" in Liberia.
Asked about U.S. participation in a multinational force, Rumsfeld he told a Pentagon briefing: "That's a call the president (George W. Bush) would make, if and when he decided to make such a call. And he has not."
U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan kept up the pressure on the United States on Monday to lead an intervention in Liberia as troops strengthened defenses around battle-worn Monrovia in fear of another rebel attack.
West African countries pledged troops for a peacekeeping force on Sunday, but they want help from the United States to prevent a blood bath in the capital and end nearly 14 years of violence that have infected the impoverished region.
Powell said in the interview that he had spoken with Annan on Monday.
"He and I have been in very close touch on this situation, following it closely, and all of this will be presented to the president in the very near future and then we'll make our decision," Powell said.
U.S. forces are stretched thin by deployments abroad in areas which the Bush administration thinks are of greater strategic significance, especially Iraq and Afghanistan.
The United States does however plan to provide one military expert to an international verification team which would monitor a cease-fire in Liberia.
Western diplomats said the battle for support for intervention in Liberia was far from won in Washington. Even though some State Department officials appeared to be in favor, the Pentagon was still generally uneasy.
Rumsfeld said the State Department has not requested an evacuation operation out of Monrovia.
El Tejon, it was Norman Schwarzkopf SENIOR (Stormin' Norman's dad) who helped set up the SAVAK.
"We are looking at a variety of options and plans........
............"looking at a range of options" in Liberia....... "That's a call the president (George W. Bush) would make, if and when he decided to make such a call. And he has not."
NOT YET AT LEAST!
"US forcess are stretched thin by deployments abroad in areas which the Bush administration thinks are of greater strategic significance, especially Iraq and Afghanistan."
Don
"We are looking at a variety of options and plans........
............"looking at a range of options" in Liberia....... "That's a call the president (George W. Bush) would make, if and when he decided to make such a call. And he has not."
NOT YET AT LEAST!
"US forcess are stretched thin by deployments abroad in areas which the Bush administration thinks are of greater strategic significance, especially Iraq and Afghanistan."
Don
Selfdfenz
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I vote we stay the heck out. That cover the Rocket Science part of this instructional session.
I also vote that if we really do roast wiener dogs in the back yard we are not a people to be greatly admired.
Weiners yes....weiners dogs no!.
S_
Sorry T., I almost all way agree with you but this is going toooooo far.
I also vote that if we really do roast wiener dogs in the back yard we are not a people to be greatly admired.
Weiners yes....weiners dogs no!.
S_
Sorry T., I almost all way agree with you but this is going toooooo far.
Sean Hannitty says...........
.... we should send US peackeepers to Liberia!
So, the neocons are apparently all for intervention. It figures!
But, I'll leave it to you to figure out "WHY"?
Don
"Ultimately, our money, weapons, and interventionist policies never buy us friends for long……
....and more often we simply arm our future enemies." – Rep. Ron Paul
.... we should send US peackeepers to Liberia!
So, the neocons are apparently all for intervention. It figures!
But, I'll leave it to you to figure out "WHY"?
Don
"Ultimately, our money, weapons, and interventionist policies never buy us friends for long……
....and more often we simply arm our future enemies." – Rep. Ron Paul
Mil Novecientos Once
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/931163.asp?vts=070320030601
WASHINGTON, July 2 — President Bush, who makes his first visit to Africa next week, is considering deployment of troops to the war-torn West African nation of Liberia, but has yet to decide under what circumstances he would do so and exactly what the troops would do there, U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday. Later in the day, Bush publicly lamented Liberians’ suffering and unrest but stopped short of saying he would send troops. “We’re exploring all options,†he said.
President Bush would send the U.S. troops only if Liberian President Charles Taylor left the country, sources said. NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski reports.
RELUCTANT TO GET involved in another military fight, the Bush administration debated how to respond to international pressure that it send in peacekeepers.
“It is premature to say an announcement is forthcoming in the next day or so,†Secretary of State Colin Powell said after consulting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
Sources said that no final decision had been made but that Bush would likely send several dozen Marines to shore security at the U.S. Embassy in Monrovia, the capital, followed by 650 to 850 Army ground troops who would join a larger peacekeeping contingent that included African forces, perhaps under U.N. direction.
Army troops could be on the ground in Liberia within two weeks, the sources said. But they would be there under strict conditions: Their stay would be limited to only 60 to 90 days, and they would remain under the command of a U.S. officer.
BUSH: “TAYLOR NEEDS TO LEAVE NOW’
Most important, the sources said, Bush would commit the ground troops only if Liberian President Charles Taylor left the country, where street fighting has killed an estimated 700 people in recent weeks. Bush would not send the troops into the middle of the country’s vicious civil war, they stressed.
Bush said Wednesday that Powell was working with the United Nations to determine the best way to keep a cease-fire in place. He called again for Taylor to step down.
“One thing has to happen: Mr. Taylor needs to leave the country,†Bush said. “In order for there to be peace and stability in Liberia, Charles Taylor needs to leave now.â€
Taylor told CBS Radio on Wednesday that U.S. troops would be welcomed inside the country, that he would be willing to leave Liberia in about three months and called for the United Nations war crimes charges against him to be dropped.
I’m not sure if “asking the democratically elected president to leave is the solution, but I will leave,†he said.
“Of course,†Taylor added later, “that is subject to hearing what President Bush has to say.â€
U.S.-LIBERIAN TIES STRONG
The strife has put Bush under pressure to act because of the United States’ historical ties to Liberia, which was founded by freed American slaves in 1822. The U.N.’s Annan, Britain, France, several West African countries and desperate Liberians have all called for U.S. troops to take the lead in restoring peace.
Speaking Wednesday to reporters at the White House, Bush urged Taylor to leave the country, saying he was “exploring all options as to how to keep the situation peaceful and stable.â€
DECISION EXPECTED SOON
U.S. sources told NBC News that Bush would decide whether to send U.S. forces within the next day or so, before he left Monday for his trip to Africa. Bush is scheduled to be interviewed Thursday by African journalists ahead of his trip, which will take him to Senegal, Uganda, Nigeria, Botswana and South Africa. The president will not visit Liberia next week.
Bush was said to be considering two other, more limited, options besides the commitment to join an international peacekeeping force.
Also on the table, but less likely, the sources said, were a proposal to send only the Marine reinforcements to protect the embassy and other U.S. interests in Monrovia, as well as a proposal to simply provide military logistics and intelligence support for other international peacekeepers.
NIGERIAN ASYLUM REJECTED
There have been wide calls for Taylor to go into exile, but the situation is complicated by his indictment on war crimes charges by a U.N.-backed court in Sierra Leone.
U.N. diplomats said in New York that Taylor had already rejected an offer of asylum from Nigeria, which has no law under which he could be extradited to face the court.
Taylor, who is accused of fanning more than a decade of conflict in the region, has demanded that the indictment be dropped. West African leaders also suggest that exile might be the best way to end Liberia’s war and help ensure peace elsewhere.
“It may not satisfy purists on one side or the other, but we are not just looking at the fate of one man but that of 3 million people,†Ghanaian Foreign Minister Nana Akufo-Addo said.
A Nigerian envoy met Taylor for several hours in Monrovia before flying back to Abuja with Liberia’s foreign minister.
PROSECUTION VOWS TO PURSUE TAYLOR
A spokesman for the court’s prosecution vowed that even if he went to Nigeria, it “would pursue the indictment of Charles Taylor until the court gets hold of him.â€
Taylor’s fate is seen as the key to resolving Liberia’s crisis. His foes from a civil war that cost 200,000 lives in the 1990s started a new war to oust him three years ago. They now control nearly two-thirds of the country.
Taylor’s case poses additional problems, because any force that came to Liberia while he was still in power might effectively be protecting him but could also come under pressure from the war crimes court to arrest him.
A U.N. Security Council mission flew to Ghana for meetings Wednesday with all of Liberia’s factions. The team of ambassadors has said it wants a transition government that does not involve Taylor or any of the warring groups.
Taylor won elections in 1997 after emerging as the dominant faction leader in the first war. His term expires in January.
TROOPS STATIONED IN SPAIN
Because of the recent violence — but apart from the question of U.S. peacekeepers — several dozen U.S. Marines have for days been on standby at a Spanish military base in case they are needed for quick deployment as extra security at the U.S. Embassy in Monrovia or to evacuate Americans.
The U.S. military has plenty on its plate without sending troops to Liberia.
More than 10,000 American troops are still working in and around Afghanistan, and nearly 150,000 troops are stationed in a violent and troubled postwar Iraq.
NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Reuters contributed to this report.
WASHINGTON, July 2 — President Bush, who makes his first visit to Africa next week, is considering deployment of troops to the war-torn West African nation of Liberia, but has yet to decide under what circumstances he would do so and exactly what the troops would do there, U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday. Later in the day, Bush publicly lamented Liberians’ suffering and unrest but stopped short of saying he would send troops. “We’re exploring all options,†he said.
President Bush would send the U.S. troops only if Liberian President Charles Taylor left the country, sources said. NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski reports.
RELUCTANT TO GET involved in another military fight, the Bush administration debated how to respond to international pressure that it send in peacekeepers.
“It is premature to say an announcement is forthcoming in the next day or so,†Secretary of State Colin Powell said after consulting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
Sources said that no final decision had been made but that Bush would likely send several dozen Marines to shore security at the U.S. Embassy in Monrovia, the capital, followed by 650 to 850 Army ground troops who would join a larger peacekeeping contingent that included African forces, perhaps under U.N. direction.
Army troops could be on the ground in Liberia within two weeks, the sources said. But they would be there under strict conditions: Their stay would be limited to only 60 to 90 days, and they would remain under the command of a U.S. officer.
BUSH: “TAYLOR NEEDS TO LEAVE NOW’
Most important, the sources said, Bush would commit the ground troops only if Liberian President Charles Taylor left the country, where street fighting has killed an estimated 700 people in recent weeks. Bush would not send the troops into the middle of the country’s vicious civil war, they stressed.
Bush said Wednesday that Powell was working with the United Nations to determine the best way to keep a cease-fire in place. He called again for Taylor to step down.
“One thing has to happen: Mr. Taylor needs to leave the country,†Bush said. “In order for there to be peace and stability in Liberia, Charles Taylor needs to leave now.â€
Taylor told CBS Radio on Wednesday that U.S. troops would be welcomed inside the country, that he would be willing to leave Liberia in about three months and called for the United Nations war crimes charges against him to be dropped.
I’m not sure if “asking the democratically elected president to leave is the solution, but I will leave,†he said.
“Of course,†Taylor added later, “that is subject to hearing what President Bush has to say.â€
U.S.-LIBERIAN TIES STRONG
The strife has put Bush under pressure to act because of the United States’ historical ties to Liberia, which was founded by freed American slaves in 1822. The U.N.’s Annan, Britain, France, several West African countries and desperate Liberians have all called for U.S. troops to take the lead in restoring peace.
Speaking Wednesday to reporters at the White House, Bush urged Taylor to leave the country, saying he was “exploring all options as to how to keep the situation peaceful and stable.â€
DECISION EXPECTED SOON
U.S. sources told NBC News that Bush would decide whether to send U.S. forces within the next day or so, before he left Monday for his trip to Africa. Bush is scheduled to be interviewed Thursday by African journalists ahead of his trip, which will take him to Senegal, Uganda, Nigeria, Botswana and South Africa. The president will not visit Liberia next week.
Bush was said to be considering two other, more limited, options besides the commitment to join an international peacekeeping force.
Also on the table, but less likely, the sources said, were a proposal to send only the Marine reinforcements to protect the embassy and other U.S. interests in Monrovia, as well as a proposal to simply provide military logistics and intelligence support for other international peacekeepers.
NIGERIAN ASYLUM REJECTED
There have been wide calls for Taylor to go into exile, but the situation is complicated by his indictment on war crimes charges by a U.N.-backed court in Sierra Leone.
U.N. diplomats said in New York that Taylor had already rejected an offer of asylum from Nigeria, which has no law under which he could be extradited to face the court.
Taylor, who is accused of fanning more than a decade of conflict in the region, has demanded that the indictment be dropped. West African leaders also suggest that exile might be the best way to end Liberia’s war and help ensure peace elsewhere.
“It may not satisfy purists on one side or the other, but we are not just looking at the fate of one man but that of 3 million people,†Ghanaian Foreign Minister Nana Akufo-Addo said.
A Nigerian envoy met Taylor for several hours in Monrovia before flying back to Abuja with Liberia’s foreign minister.
PROSECUTION VOWS TO PURSUE TAYLOR
A spokesman for the court’s prosecution vowed that even if he went to Nigeria, it “would pursue the indictment of Charles Taylor until the court gets hold of him.â€
Taylor’s fate is seen as the key to resolving Liberia’s crisis. His foes from a civil war that cost 200,000 lives in the 1990s started a new war to oust him three years ago. They now control nearly two-thirds of the country.
Taylor’s case poses additional problems, because any force that came to Liberia while he was still in power might effectively be protecting him but could also come under pressure from the war crimes court to arrest him.
A U.N. Security Council mission flew to Ghana for meetings Wednesday with all of Liberia’s factions. The team of ambassadors has said it wants a transition government that does not involve Taylor or any of the warring groups.
Taylor won elections in 1997 after emerging as the dominant faction leader in the first war. His term expires in January.
TROOPS STATIONED IN SPAIN
Because of the recent violence — but apart from the question of U.S. peacekeepers — several dozen U.S. Marines have for days been on standby at a Spanish military base in case they are needed for quick deployment as extra security at the U.S. Embassy in Monrovia or to evacuate Americans.
The U.S. military has plenty on its plate without sending troops to Liberia.
More than 10,000 American troops are still working in and around Afghanistan, and nearly 150,000 troops are stationed in a violent and troubled postwar Iraq.
NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Reuters contributed to this report.
DontShootMe
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1. Send in the troops
2. Occupy the area
3. Win
2. Occupy the area
3. Win
Let's see. Liberia is not an ally. We have no strategic interests in Liberia. We have no significant commercial interests in Liberia.
So why should we care that the savages are killing each other?
I'm sorry, let the Euro-trash go in if they care that much about it. Between them all they ought to be able scare up an expeditionary force -- two gendarmes and a few german border guards....
So why should we care that the savages are killing each other?
I'm sorry, let the Euro-trash go in if they care that much about it. Between them all they ought to be able scare up an expeditionary force -- two gendarmes and a few german border guards....
Zeke Menuar
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I am sick and tired of my hard earned tax dollars being spent on policing the planet. We have bigger issues here in America. It really pisses me off that this country can spend billions to squash every Napoleon wannabe that comes along and the local school district has to close three weeks early because they have no money. If GWB keeps playing planet-policeman he is likely to start the next Vietnam......or Somalia
Keep our boys at home for a change
ZM
Keep our boys at home for a change
ZM
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I'm surprised the race card hasn't come up yet.
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There is no way in hell we should go to Liberia.
We have no interests in Africa, aside from getting footage for "Animal Planet."
Nothing in Africa poses a threat, as long as you have the sense to stay out of Africa. With the exception of "allies" like Egypt, anyway (see Al-Qaeda's personnel files for details).
America will be hated by the disease-ridden subliterate scum of the world no matter what we do, and the Liberians probalby won't like us either. So why not just be hated for free?
I've come to the conclusion that American foreign policy is doomed no matter what we do. We can't give away free food to starving people and make it work. We take out a foreigner with a moustache who throws people in a wood chipper, gases people, and starts wars with 2 countries in a decade's time, and our president is the one compared to Hitler. Stopping genocide in Bosnia just made all 3 major factions (and about 50 minor ones) hate our guts. Mexico gets pissed when pregnant women shoot border-hopping criminals who bust down her screen door. Canada sends Celine Dion after us.
Why bother? Screw the world, they all talk funny, and anyway we can get all the good foreign food we want now thanks to our immigration "laws."
We have no interests in Africa, aside from getting footage for "Animal Planet."
Nothing in Africa poses a threat, as long as you have the sense to stay out of Africa. With the exception of "allies" like Egypt, anyway (see Al-Qaeda's personnel files for details).
America will be hated by the disease-ridden subliterate scum of the world no matter what we do, and the Liberians probalby won't like us either. So why not just be hated for free?
I've come to the conclusion that American foreign policy is doomed no matter what we do. We can't give away free food to starving people and make it work. We take out a foreigner with a moustache who throws people in a wood chipper, gases people, and starts wars with 2 countries in a decade's time, and our president is the one compared to Hitler. Stopping genocide in Bosnia just made all 3 major factions (and about 50 minor ones) hate our guts. Mexico gets pissed when pregnant women shoot border-hopping criminals who bust down her screen door. Canada sends Celine Dion after us.
Why bother? Screw the world, they all talk funny, and anyway we can get all the good foreign food we want now thanks to our immigration "laws."
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U. S. imperialism!
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BerettaNut92
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Ya daaaaamn right.
We lose either way.
Issue every human being in the country a rifle and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. When they are done slaughtering each other, send a few congressmen over (why waste military lives-the fat cats can stop bullets just as well!) and see who is in charge. If we don't like them-bomb the little silly.
Waitone
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The European Union thinks it can take the field against the US. OK, guys. Suit up and head for Liberia. Fix the problem there and demonstrate you belong in the NFL. Otherwise shut up. An historic relationship is meanngless. We have an historic relationship with France that pre-dates our interest in Liberia. I see no reason to involve ourselves in something that is ugly by irrelevant.
It took time but Gulliver was eventually tied down.
It took time but Gulliver was eventually tied down.
QUOTE]I see no reason to involve ourselves in something that is ugly by irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Waitone
The EU has "no dog in the fight". Why should they be eager to jump in on another police action in the area?
The British took care of the situation in Sierra Leon.... the French took care of the Ivory Coast.
I think if Dubyah jumps in....... it is because he wants to win black votes in the next election.
And IF successful, we can also get back our CIA and NSA listening posts in Monrovia.
And DeBeers can set up shop in Liberia again!
Cynical? Who.......ME??! Don
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The EU has "no dog in the fight". Why should they be eager to jump in on another police action in the area?
The British took care of the situation in Sierra Leon.... the French took care of the Ivory Coast.
I think if Dubyah jumps in....... it is because he wants to win black votes in the next election.
And IF successful, we can also get back our CIA and NSA listening posts in Monrovia.
And DeBeers can set up shop in Liberia again!
Cynical? Who.......ME??!
DonLostOneToo
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I agree with Sir Galahad; we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Why waste American blood on people who will only be unappreciative and have the world call us imperialists?
Those people have been killing one another for centuries and our intervention will not change any of that in the long run.
Why waste American blood on people who will only be unappreciative and have the world call us imperialists?
Those people have been killing one another for centuries and our intervention will not change any of that in the long run.
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