Ultrasonic Cleaning Questions

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For those who use ultrasonic cleaners, what procedure do you find works best for you? What cleaning/lubricating solutions do you use? I have had someone tell me that they use FP-10 for both cleaning and lubricating their guns and it works great for them. Anyone else try this? Thanks in advance for any input you can provide on this subject!
 
I could write a lot on this, but need to make this one brief. Here's the highlights of how I use the u/s cleaner. There's no one right answer, btw.

I have tried various cleaners, but came back to the Crest cleaning solution. It works better than water, water + detergent, and better than Simple Green or SG + water (more on that in a minute). It's not cheap, but it's not too expensive either, and you can get quite a lot of use out of it. Run it through a coffee filter (not one that is going back to the kitchen) from time to time to get the carbon out.

It is probably unnecessary, but I always do a very hot water rinse in the u/s cleaner. Partly to rinse the cleaner out, and partly to get the metal temp up to help it dry.

I do not personally use a lubricating bath...I have a friend who does, and it's just too much mess. I re-lube when I reassemble, but the thing to remember is that the u/s cleaner will strip ALL of the lube out of the gun. BTW, it will not clean metal fouling, so you may need to brush the bore with Hoppe's or equivalent.

I have read that some people use CLP as a one-stop bath in the u/s. It probably works, but there is some science in how the cleaning bath facilitates the formation of the small bubbles that are what actually cleans whatever's in the bath, so the best bet is probably a solution that is specifically designed for cleaning.

On Simple Green -- it's cheap, it cuts crud and grease...and it will severely affect aluminum, even if anodized. I've posted before that I have personally seen a Sig P226 frame badly damaged by being tossed into a hot tank of undiluted Simple Green. It partially stripped the anodizing and surface hardening, which is a big problem.

That's all for now...
 
As an aside, what I've always thought would be great, but never wanted to pony up the cash to do, was use MPro7 in the cleaner. Having said that, I have no idea whether it would work as well as the specifically-formulated solutions, even though is really great stuff when used by hand.
 
Ultrasonics work best with thinner solutions that are warm.

A good solvent to use is ordinary, cheap paint thinner. You do have to be careful about fire, but thinner is not as bad as some solutions.

If you want to spend the money, you can buy standard L&R clock or watch cleaning solution and rinse.
The cleaner is an excellent cleaner that does some light rust removal. The rinse is about as flammable as paint thinner.

Here's some info on ultrasonics from an old post:

The good points:

They really clean.

They usually clean FAST. Drop a dirty part in, and the dirt actually BOILS off in a cloud.

They DEEP clean, getting crud you normally don't even see. Ultrasonics get into cracks and holes that normally you can't get to with other methods.

They're especially good on harder fouling. (Ultrasonics work better on hard dirt).

You don't have to disassembly things. Ultrasonics are used by watchmakers to avoid having to disassembly some small components.

They work with a variety of solutions. Water with detergent works on many types of dirt, so you don't HAVE to use a volatile solvent.

The solution is heated up by the ultrasonic action. Warm solution cleans even better. Many tanks have a built-in heater also.

You can put an inch of water in the bottom and use small glass or plastic cups to hold solvent and small parts.
The ultrasonic waves are transmitted by the water in the bottom through the beakers or jars.

You can use the tank for MANY cleaning jobs, Paint brushes, dirty watch bands, electric razor heads, you're wife's jewelery, car parts, ANYTHING that you can fit into the tanks will clean up surgically clean.

The bad:
KEEP YOUR FINGERS OUT OF THE TANK. Ultrasonics and bones don't mix.
This isn't something that happens instantly, it's over time.

Expense. The larger tanks are COSTLY. However, if you want to clean a stripped pistol or small parts, one of the smaller $150.00 range tanks will work fine.
You CAN put a portion of a frame or slide in the tank at a time.
After cleaning it, turn it over and clean the other half.

Any solvent that will attack plastic or gun finishes, will attack it FASTER in ultrasonics.

You've got to be careful to apply a THOROUGH coat of anti-rust lube after cleaning. Ultrasonics remove ALL grease and lube, leaving the part absolutely bare, including in tiny holes and crevices that ordinarily cleaning never touches.

They don't work as well on soft gummy grease as harder dirt. You can speed things up by pulling parts out and scrubbing with a brush.

They're electronic and heat the solvent. You have to be careful with flammables.

Advice:
If possible buy a basket that holds parts off the bottom or make up wire hangers. Ultrasonics work better when the parts are suspended in the solution instead of laying on the bottom of the tank.

A tank cover is nice to hold down fumes.

NEVER run the unit when the tank is dry even for a few seconds, it'll burn out.

Be careful what cleaning solution you use. You can pull the item out and find finish or plastic parts GONE.

Be careful with Tritium sights, and sights with any kind of inserts or dots. Many can be damaged or removed in the tank.

The small tanks sold in discount stores for cleaning false teeth and jewelery really don't work too well, and most of them aren't even real ultrasonic units.
 
There are things that are really not generally practical to clean otherwise...M1 rifle/M1 carbine/Mini 14 bolts, for example...u/s cleaning isn't perfect, but you can pretty much avoid tearing these down to clean them. Just be careful to re-lube, in some fashion, and as dfarriswheel points out, look out for plastics, etc. The vibrations can do surprising things. Google this and see the cautions that jewelers get...u/s cleaners can do things like pulverize emeralds, for example (IIRC).
 
Do you all have any brands you recommend? I have looked at them several times for my hand guns but I keep wimping out in the end. I have been thinking of an L&R if I remember right and it was right at around 500$ and up.

Thanks
 
Last I checked (which was a while back), Crest and L&R were the market leaders. Brownells sells one -- I don't remember which. I think we're talking Ford and Chevy here.

Here's how I got mine, courtesy of a tip at TFL way back when. There was a contact given for a dental supply business in NJ. They get units returned essentially unused for various reasons. They sell (sold?) these as "open box" units at a steep discount. I can look to see if I've got the contact info somewhere on the hard drive if you wish, or it might come up on a search at TFL.

One tip, DO NOT buy based on the tank size. The parts need to be suspended in the basket, which is substantially smaller than the tank itself. Buy based on the size of the BASKET.
 
THANKS!

Guess what I was baseing my purchase size on? (tank size.....)

I will investigate the dental supply warehouses next week and see what I can find.
 
Years ago, I used to work at Crest Ultrasonics. We had the best cleaners available. At that time, we used 111 Trichlorethane in them and they were vapor degreasers. Wow, what awesome stuff that was, but it is outlawed. We had units so powerfil, they would et your hand to the bone in 15 seconds...there were not available, just in the R/D lab there. amazing stuff...Ill get one shortly...
 
TSP works great

I have used super inexpensive TSP (Tri sodium Phosphate) for years in a small L&R unit I have. I used near boiling water and a strong mix of TSP. It really cleans well, but you should clean hot water rinse to avoid any TSP residue if your fussy. It does however, discolor Aluminum somewhat, so I never used it for AL parts.

I have switched to LPS Precision Clean with hot water, which works really well, and doesn't harm Aluminum, and leaves no detectable residue. Quite reasonably priced compared to the L&R stuff if I recall. I get it from MSC, or Enco. A gallon makes a lot of cleaner.

I recently splurged and got a large, 7.75 gallon Crest unit with built in heater, and woo, does this thing work nice. Looks like a small bathtub! I can fit 4 shotguns worth of parts in it with room to spare, and let the barrels stick out the top when doing receivers. It came with 8 gallons worth of some blue colored cleaner that works great and leaves no residue. I'll probably try the LPS stuff when this gets too dirty to use anymore.

I'm totally spoiled now, and can't visualize ever going back to scrubbing parts the old way. Happy and SAFE Shooting! Joe :)
 
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