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Undisciplined Afghans endanger Marjah Marines.

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  1. primetime

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    Undisciplined Afghans endanger Marjah Marines.
    Written by Tactical-Life.com. Author Archive »


    Many Afghan National Army troops who work and patrol with U.S. Marines are considered a nuisance at best and a danger at worst.

    Many refuse to go on patrol, smoke hashish and sleep while on guard — just a few things they do that would have any Marine in hot water.

    But Marines aren’t universally down on the ability of Afghan security forces, who are partnered with each Marine unit in Helmand province. Some say they have met good Afghan soldiers who fight with courage, take pride in their work and are proficient with weapons ranging from the 5.56mm M249 squad automatic weapon to rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

    But the general consensus from rank and file infantrymen is that for every good ANA soldier, there are at least five or six who are lazy, incompetent or both.

    “They’re not willing to do the job it takes to defend their country,” said Lance Cpl. Lucas McGary, a rifleman with 3rd Battalion, 6th Marines, out of Camp Lejeune, N.C. “They’re so worthless that their worthlessness doesn’t faze anyone anymore.”

    Such frustration is fostered by incidents that span a variety of categories:

    • 1. Safety. Marines say Afghan soldiers aren’t careful with their weapons, and numerous accidents have occurred because of it. On two occasions, an ANA soldier based with India Company, 3/6, negligently discharged a SAW within ANA living quarters, each time shooting a round into a wall, Marines said. Another time, an Afghan soldier partnered with India’s 3rd Platoon accidentally shot himself in the foot with an M16A2 rifle while on patrol, said Staff Sgt. Ryan Clay, the platoon sergeant.

    An Afghan soldier partnered with Kilo Company, 3/6, recently wounded himself after negligently discharging his M16A2 as well. His weapon went off while his right hand was on the muzzle and the weapon was pointed skyward, said Staff Sgt. Gearold Provence, the staff noncommissioned officer in charge of an embedded training team. The weapon was set for a three-round burst — one round hit his thumb, another hit a finger and the third was discharged into the air, Provence said.

    • 2. Discipline. Marines say that while some Afghan soldiers are willing to defend their country, many appear to have become soldiers for the paycheck, food and water. For example, while manning a small patrol base here, Marines with India Company’s 3rd Platoon struggled to get just two ANA soldiers to join them on most security patrols. Eventually, the 11 soldiers they partnered with were transferred to another security base with more supervision. Afghan soldiers also are frequently late for patrols, and sometimes sleep on the job when they’re supposed to join Marines in standing guard at patrol bases, Marines said.

    • 3. Bravery. Some Afghans have performed courageously under fire, but many panic when the Taliban attacks, said Lance Cpl. Eric Sickler, a rifleman with India Company, 3/6. Pinned down in a firefight, some choose to stay behind cover and point their weapons over the top of barriers, blindly shooting at the enemy, he said. The problem has persisted despite numerous corrections, Marines said.

    • 4. Officers. Marines say they are frustrated that whenever a decision has to be made involving the ANA, it must go through the senior-most Afghan officer available. The system runs counter to the Corps’ reliance on NCOs and slows decision-making on the run, they say.

    Source: Dan Lamothe for Military Times.

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    Come on Afghans!!! Firearm Safety!!! and try not to get high so you can go on patrol!!! :eek:
     
  2. Travis McGee

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    Does anybody seriously think we are going to "reform" Afghanistan and drag it into the 20th century....much less the 21st?

    In ten years, we'll be gone and the Taliban and/or other warlords will be in charge of each region of that non-country created on a map of Central Asia by the British.

    We will join a long list of foreign occupiers who quit the place.
     
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    There's probably many folks who think we can be succesful in this reform...But it doesn't mean its probable.
     
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    TEN years? You think they'll last that long?:scrutiny::scrutiny:
    We're outta there July 2011. Atleast according to our fearful leader.
    I give the Afghanis six months --TOPS.
     
  5. Fremmer

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    I have no idea why the President has added over 60,000 troops to occupy that place. To accomplish what? It is screwed up, and it is going to stay screwed up. They know we're leaving in 2011, so why would we expect the civilians there to help us when we're going to leave it for the Taliban to take over in 2011?

    God bless our troops who are doing the best they can there. I think it is only going to get worse, and I'm not even sure what the definition of "better" is. I don't think the President knows, either.
     
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    Interesting - - -

    - - - But off topic for THR.

    Closed
     
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