Unintended Consequences

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UC is one of my annual re-reads. One reason is that it is an unabashed celebration of a gun culture. I think there are many and the one portrayed has some elements similar to mine and some that are interestingly different.

Another, is that it is a thought provoking "what if?" scenario. Probably not very likely, but sometimes you have to paint outside the lines to draw attention to underlying themes. While none of us would run off to shoot the jack booted AG of the time, how many of us enjoyed the fantasy? UC makes you think just how deplorable some of the government policies and actions have been, to the point that it could be imagined that otherwise normal citizens could take such drastic retribution.

I think many private pilots would enjoy the FAA scenes in the same way many of gun owners enjoyed the 2A scenes. Mr. Ross did an expert job of aligning the gun outrages with similar ones in aviation and in general government attitude and practices. Few gun novels go beyond just guns.

Plus, I like that UC paints a picture of people enjoying guns long before it was "cool" or "uncivilized"; back then it was just normal. And then it shows how those same normal people are driven to extraordinary actions by outrageous government abuses.

The extreme situations portrayed in UC makes me think, if I don't want things to get that out of control then I better do whatever I can as a citizen and a father to prevent it now. And to prepare for further abuses just in case. Sort of like Mr. Ross asking his readers, "Want to see how bad it can get if you sit there doing nothing? Fine, let's take a look. Now do you have the gumption to act like those heroes or would you rather vote, write and act now to prevent that having to occur?"

Admittedly the main characters are way wealthier than I ever was or will be. But W.E.B. Griffin has the same type type of characters for his Brotherhood of War series. He seems to be a pretty successful writer. A wealthy character can so many interesting things that a blue collar guy could never do. I have to control my envious urges when I read UC, but let someone else write the blue collar UC. Ross' book is good.

Anyway, I could do without the sex stuff, but that was the author's choice and the guts of the book are too important to ignore. It is on my list with Boston's Gun Bible, Molon Labe, and Rawles Patriots among many others.

Highly recommended book, especially to young people who never knew a time when kids roamed the woods with rifles, when a rifle was a treasured birthday gift, self-defense was a responsibility assumed and expected of any worthy man, and government was not allowed to strip a man of his life or property without trial.

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I've read UC a half dozen times, it broke ground on an entirely new and expanding genre, contemporary freedom fiction. It's very different from my novels, mainly in that mine are very time-compressed. Everything happens in a month or so in my books, compared to a span of decades in UC.

Speaking of freedom fiction, I'm currently reading Mark Spungin's new book, "Neither Predator Nor Prey," which is set in Wyoming after the federal govt. at some point in the future adopts the U.N.'s gun control policies.
 
I read UC last month due to all of the hype on THR.

It was a bit of a fun read, but also quite frustrating. Ross had a maddening tendency to swerve between good, solid midlist drama and some pretty rank purple prose. As a result, I had bouts where I would consider taking the book back to the library interspersed with genuine rollicking-good enjoyment.

Overall, fairly decent bit of cotton candy. It needed another pass through the editor's hands to trim the fat. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone other than a hard core gunny looking for gun fiction, though.

Oh, and Henry Garrison Stuart Bowman is SO MANLY that Chuck Norris and Vin Diesel murdered their own mothers for the chance to shake his hand.
 
I just read the last section "War" for the 3rd time, counting the first two times I read the whole book.

This time around I now have my own copy, so I have it to read, to enjoy, and to contemplate at my leisure, no library deadlines. :D
 
Run&Shoot wrote:

UC is one of my annual re-reads. One reason is that it is an unabashed celebration of a gun culture. I think there are many and the one portrayed has some elements similar to mine and some that are interestingly different.

Another, is that it is a thought provoking "what if?" scenario. Probably not very likely, but sometimes you have to paint outside the lines to draw attention to underlying themes. While none of us would run off to shoot the jack booted AG of the time, how many of us enjoyed the fantasy? UC makes you think just how deplorable some of the government policies and actions have been, to the point that it could be imagined that otherwise normal citizens could take such drastic retribution.

I think many private pilots would enjoy the FAA scenes in the same way many of gun owners enjoyed the 2A scenes. Mr. Ross did an expert job of aligning the gun outrages with similar ones in aviation and in general government attitude and practices. Few gun novels go beyond just guns.

Plus, I like that UC paints a picture of people enjoying guns long before it was "cool" or "uncivilized"; back then it was just normal. And then it shows how those same normal people are driven to extraordinary actions by outrageous government abuses.

The extreme situations portrayed in UC makes me think, if I don't want things to get that out of control then I better do whatever I can as a citizen and a father to prevent it now. And to prepare for further abuses just in case. Sort of like Mr. Ross asking his readers, "Want to see how bad it can get if you sit there doing nothing? Fine, let's take a look. Now do you have the gumption to act like those heroes or would you rather vote, write and act now to prevent that having to occur?"

Admittedly the main characters are way wealthier than I ever was or will be. But W.E.B. Griffin has the same type type of characters for his Brotherhood of War series. He seems to be a pretty successful writer. A wealthy character can so many interesting things that a blue collar guy could never do. I have to control my envious urges when I read UC, but let someone else write the blue collar UC. Ross' book is good.

Anyway, I could do without the sex stuff, but that was the author's choice and the guts of the book are too important to ignore. It is on my list with Boston's Gun Bible, Molon Labe, and Rawles Patriots among many others.

Highly recommended book, especially to young people who never knew a time when kids roamed the woods with rifles, when a rifle was a treasured birthday gift, self-defense was a responsibility assumed and expected of any worthy man, and government was not allowed to strip a man of his life or property without trial.

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Strikes me that the writer raises some rather interesting points, particularly with the 5th paragraph, which people might take an extra moment to read and think about. For instance, next time you hear "the NRA won't let them do that" or equally equivalent drivel, remember the old saw about Yopu are the NRA? By the way, neither the NRA nior individuals are without fault, however individuals have "elected things", who from time to time, at the very least, need to hear from the individuals they work for.

One of the major problems these days, possibly always was is that The Congress Is On The Take, which is not to say that some particular congress member or senator was caught shoving bribe money into their pockets, though some have been. What it says is the following. The Congress (House and Senate) are beholden to major campaign contributors and the lobbiests that represaent such them, which means that Mr., Mrs., or Ms. Every Person, essentially are unrepresented, get NO hearing. Seems to me that the foregoing leads one to the following. If you want something done right, do it yourself. Do not rely on anyone or anything else to contact your elected things. Someone else might do it, but don't count on it. If you want a hearing, make noise, starting with the use of the telephone and e-mail. Rremember, if you don't do it, who will?
 
Just finished re-reading my copy of UC this week. It's getting so worn out I think I need to buy a new one. [Yes it's part textbook but I loved the story, especially the history]

I'm also planning on passing copies of this book to my brothers for Xmas (four of them) and a liberal (shooter, fiscal conservative, social liberal) gun-guy friend of mine.
 
Twice, so far. Haven't picked it up for about 2 years for a variety of reasons. Now that Fauxbama is due to become POTUS, I'll be picking it up again soon...though after I've done some more reloading.
 
I recently re-read it for the 3rd time. I emailed John earlier in '08 about the sequel and he said he was re-writing things and waiting to see how the Heller case turned out. We won that, but then got an anti-gun president, so it'll be interesting to see how things develop. I eagerly await the sequel but if it's going to run up to current times it would be difficult to pen the ending chapters in such a time! The current buying frenzy almost seems like patriots gearing up for a revolution (or squirrels storing nuts for the winter).
 
I just got done reading the book today. Borrowed from a friend who had previously lent me "Patriots".

I really liked the first half of UC. Especially the exploits of Ray that led to him being a guide in Africa.

Once it moves into modern day though I found myself being less sympathetic to the protagonists (Genious Millionaire Shooting Prodigy Expert Pilots turned Gov't Toppling Super Assassins who also date Strippers who love threesomes seemed a stretch) and like others have said it was easy to determine the background of the author as you read along.

I didn't mind the initial killing of ATF agents (especially the ones that were plotting on raiding his house) but when they started dragging elderly men to death (who no longer had any part in gov't) it was tough for me to root for them anymore.

Also seemed strange that so many ATF agents were black or hispanic (especially ones about to get killed) but I guess i don't know any ATF agents so maybe that's the case.

In fact the character I ended up liking the most was FBI agent Neumann. I wanted him to end up catching/killing Henry and company. As such the novel ended on a real sour note for me.

Still a nice read (If a sequel comes out i'll likely read it) but in a 800+ page novel i'm sure there's going to be parts that everyone didn't like too much.....a lot of people here seem to have had a problem with the sex stuff but that didn't bother me.

One part that did tweak me a bit was the part about "the gun culture" not liking sports :neener:
 
Looking at the number of posts/comments on Unintended Consequences, some pro, some con, one suspects that the writer managed to touch some nerves with his prose and or his characters and their development.

Given that the book has been out for several years, and people feel it is still worthy of comment appears to say that the author, John Ross, is or was on to something, like it or not.
 
I'm actually in the middle of reading it (just got to the "war" section). While Mr Ross is a very talented writer, I feel that he could definitely have trimmed a good deal from the book. Particularly when getting into the intricate details of Henry's past (I get it, the kid likes guns and has for some time). There are a couple of parts (shooting the rapists) that (so far at least) seem to only exist for a brief few moments of bloodshed. I really like the book, but theres a lot of fluff to it in my opinion that could be remedied by cutting out 20-30% (if not more). That being said, his prose is excellent.

EDIT: I just looked through this thread a bit more and it reminded me of something else I don't particularly care for in this book: conspiracy theories. They're a definite pet peeve of mine, and in the book they're treated as gospel. I wonder if Mr Ross simply embellished this for the novel. If not, I wonder if recent information about these has or has not altered his opinion (particularly the JFK assassination).
 
Lucky Strike.. I think Agent Newman's death was ralistic. Officers who normally WOULD NOT take part will because someone they care about gets hurt/killed. (for being in wrong place/wrong time)
IIRC (I have no idea where my copy has gone/who has it now) his partner went along strictly to observe. NOT get involved with whatever ATF had going. He likely would have objected/reported the ATF agents if they used unreasonable force.... (i.E. he was a good guy) He and agents got killed because some target/varmit shooters believed the ATF was comming to kill them. (hoods, masks,etc) to get him in remote area alone....
Otherwise Newman/his partner would NOT have had anything to do with them unless directly ordered.
If things go bad there will be many agent Newmans and their partners. Sad thing is its normal for the people making decisions/rules/laws/etc to sit safe and sound while the grunts risk life and limb....
 
I re-read it every few months as it is one of my favorite books.

Im antsy now that a sequel is coming
 
Lucky Strike.. I think Agent Newman's death was realistic. Officers who normally WOULD NOT take part will because someone they care about gets hurt/killed. (for being in wrong place/wrong time)
IIRC (I have no idea where my copy has gone/who has it now) his partner went along strictly to observe.



i agree the killing made sense but yeah like you said Neumann and his partner were both "good guys" (the only good guys in the book IMO) so I was disappointed to see them both get killed. Having Neumann slowly solve the case was my favorite part of the second half of the book. Like i said before Bowman became my least favorite character (well besides the crooked ATF guys) by the end of the book so the whole ending was a downer
 
I continue to wonder as to when UC's much touted sequel will appear, if ever.

With some thoughtful editing, the original couild likely have been 200 or so pages shorter, it could prove quite interesting, I submit.
 
Where are you guys hearing anything new about the sequel. It has been talked about for a long time but has anyone actually heard anything to make them think it is on the way?
 
UC and Atlas Shrugged were two of the most poorly written published novels I've ever read. The level of writing is about on a par with what you can find on the average fanfic site. UC's endless descriptions of guns and AS's endless description of unimportant details made it extemeley difficult for me to want to keep reading, especially since neither novel featured characters I cared about even a little bit. Agreement with some of the politics and philosophy they preached didn't make them good novels.
 
UC and Atlas Shrugged were two of the most poorly written published novels I've ever read. The level of writing is about on a par with what you can find on the average fanfic site. UC's endless descriptions of guns and AS's endless description of unimportant details made it extemeley difficult for me to want to keep reading, especially since neither novel featured characters I cared about even a little bit. Agreement with some of the politics and philosophy they preached didn't make them good novels.

Wow!:what: Different strokes for different folks I guess. Those of two of my favorite fictional novels.

NukemJim
 
Alex Neumann doesn't get killed in UC...

WARNING POSSIBLE SPOILER








Dang I gave out my second copy of UC and decided to delete my (unapproved) computer copy so I can't rearead the end.

I was meaning the agent on the plane that asked "Why did you use the 20mm instead of a rifle" type question in the plane as he sees the white plastic in revolver cylinders.
Now I have to buy ANOTHER copy.
 
Only question I have after reading it, and discussing with my buddies at work. Who was the woman that was killed by Henry's buddy in the trailer at the end? We all have our ideas but nobody can prove they are right.
 
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