The following is a mass email from my University's President regarding a protest against campus policies regarding concealed carry. I thought I'd post it and get yall's feedback on how you feel about the way he approached the topic.
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romma
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I think the only person or people that the President of this school will need to remind about the weapons policy is the deadly shooter or shooters that they may encounter some day...
Justin
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Haven't been on a campus in awhile, eh ilbob?
I think his email shows a sense of fairness and logic that is generally lacking in a lot of college administrators.
I think his email shows a sense of fairness and logic that is generally lacking in a lot of college administrators.
Amen SaxonPigTexasRifleman
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Lawsuit prevention, and even preventing an abuse of power against a protesting student by an overzealous professor.
Sounds like a reasonable mailing. At least he wasn't threatening to expel students participating in this, which was a real concern in some of the threads the last few days.
Sounds like a reasonable mailing. At least he wasn't threatening to expel students participating in this, which was a real concern in some of the threads the last few days.
GTSteve03
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Really?
Are there no knives in the cafeteria, no scissors in the classrooms, no bricks in construction areas, no cars in the parking lot, no baseball bats in the gym, no sharpened pencils in backpacks?
That would be a pretty safe place I bet. But I doubt it would be a college campus.
The Wiry Irishman
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Despite the deadly weapons thing at the end, I think the email is a good thing. While the t-shirts wouldn't be a problem, seeing an empty holster would spell gun nuttery in the minds of many students, and a lot of calls to the police could result. Although I can't cite it, I seem to recall a couple incidents of suspensions and expulsions in high schools because "some crazy" came to school wearing a "gun holster." By sending out the email, the president is actually helping out the protest in two ways. First, he's giving the protesters the high ground if anyone goes to the police after freaking about an empty holster. Instead of a protester having to explain themselves to the police while undoubtedly under some sort of suspicion, the police will tell them to go about their business and the person that called them will be the ones that will have to explain themselves. Secondly, by mass-mailing the entire campus, the president has unwittingly spread the word about the protest to more people than it would have reached on its own. I don't know how many people at UK will be participating, but even if they have 50 or 100 people, it would still be unlikely that the message would be spread to any significant portion of the student populace. You simply wouldn't have contact with every student, and even if you did, there's no garuntee they would notice either the t-shirt or the holster. By emailing the students, the UK president made everyone aware of it and because of that students will be more likely to be looking for empty holsters, and when the notice them, be more likely to ask questions.
Chuhhuniban
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Sure, and it'll work too. In the late-1960s I was on the campus of Texas Tech when the local anti-war group decided they would have Vietnam War protest at the WW II memorial on the campus. The President of the University told them in the campus newspaper that it was fine by him, the memorial was a public place. He asked the leaders to ensure that they picked up any resulting trash when they were done protesting. He asked the local media folks to please not park their vehicles in fire lanes or no parking zones. Then he asked all the rest of the student body to let them protest peacefully as was their right under the Constitution.
The protest took place on schedule, about 150 out of several thousand students showed up. About four reporters showed up (carefully parking in the visitor lot nearby). Everybody else stayed away in droves. At five in the afternoon, the custodian came out and took down the flag in the middle of the memorial (he was not interferred with by anybody, he did every day). The whole thing became a yawn.
Rare good sense in an era when it was unusual - most of those protests turned into new stories. That one in Lubbock got one paragraph in the paper the next day. If it made TV at all, I missed it.
romma
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Yes, and everything is coated in durable longlasting bubble wrap.. (It's for the children) That are 18-25...
RKBABob
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Wait a minute, don't you guys see that the president is pro 2nd ammendment? Maybe its because you don't speak college-professorese. Please, allow me to translate the university president's email for you...
Look, kids, its happening all over the USA this week... These aren't nutjobs, but an organized group speaking their minds.
They aren't doing anything illegal, and they certainly aren't here to shoot up the campus, so get over it you blissninnies!
Nobody stopped you when you decided to air your stupid little opinions in public, did they? They have a right to protest, so please don't harrass or attack them. People are allowed to have a different opinion than you dummies do.
Please don't waste valuable university resources by calling the campus police to report that there are students with empty holsters... Quit being so darned childish!
You can't be shot with an empty holster! Didn't your parents teach you anything before you enrolled here?
Thank you.
You faculty members are just as bad as the darned students. Their just empty holsters, so don't blow it all out of proportion... and this goes for you old fart professors left over from the Nixon era, too.
Robert Hairless
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A good Kentucky lawyer might be able to pursue that direction right into President Todd's personal assests if his assurance turns out to have been false or unreasonable.
On the other hand, if President Todd's assurance turns out to be reasonable and no one is ever attacked with a deadly weapon on campus, that will be even better. University students, faculty, employees, and visitors should be able to go there without fear for their lives.
I don't know how he can make such an assurance but I don't have his knowledge of the measures that he has taken before making it.
A good Kentucky lawyer might be able to pursue that direction right into President Todd's personal assests if his assurance turns out to have been false or unreasonable.
On the other hand, if President Todd's assurance turns out to be reasonable and no one is ever attacked with a deadly weapon on campus, that will be even better. University students, faculty, employees, and visitors should be able to go there without fear for their lives.
I don't know how he can make such an assurance but I don't have his knowledge of the measures that he has taken before making it.
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Bobarino
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uh huh. first amendment good. 2nd Amendment baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
Bobby
trickyasafox
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I was going to participate in this- however i have little doubt that our university staff isn't nearly as big a fan of free speech and protest. and no- no knives are legal either on campus. Butter knives are it. ever try to eat over cooked London broil with a butter knife? its miserable.
I'm an RA at my school- so i know the policies pretty well. weapons violations are up there with tampering with fire equipment- IE instant removal from housing, a quick hearing before the board and a good luck handshake as you find another school to attend.
I'm an RA at my school- so i know the policies pretty well. weapons violations are up there with tampering with fire equipment- IE instant removal from housing, a quick hearing before the board and a good luck handshake as you find another school to attend.
bogie
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Back when I attended UK (lived at Maxwell and Lexington, and enjoyed many cold frosties at John Broderick Lynaugh's fine establishment during its opening year), there was a slight problem with a fellow who folks were calling "The Louisville Slugger." His preferred MO was to wait in a parking lot until his victim passed, and then step out and bash 'em... He tended to be downtown, but folks were worried that he'd "branch out" the few blocks to campus.
Bobo
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Well, he's right about one thing; U.K,'s "weapons free" campus is certainly more "deadly" - thus, "deadly weapons free" is very accurate.
I hope his administration ability surpasses that of his writing.
I hope his administration ability surpasses that of his writing.
Seancass
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i'm kinda sorry i dont have a t-shirt. just a holster wouldnt make much sence. plus, i am honestly affraid of being expelled/punished for it. of course its not a danger, but that doesnt mean you cant be punished. and yes, $1000's of dollars in legal fees to prove to the admins that you're within your rights is punishment enough.
who needs to make new repressive laws when i already cant speak or act freely.
if you think i'm wrong, look up the thread of another student who was expelled for a "pro 2A" letter he sent to the university admins. his was arguably edgy, but he's out of an education either way. FOR AN EMAILED LETTER!
who needs to make new repressive laws when i already cant speak or act freely.
if you think i'm wrong, look up the thread of another student who was expelled for a "pro 2A" letter he sent to the university admins. his was arguably edgy, but he's out of an education either way. FOR AN EMAILED LETTER!
elrod
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Sounds like the protests Oana was preparing for.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=310721
She is a credit to RKBA.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=310721
She is a credit to RKBA.
PershingRiflesC-7
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Just a crying shame that someone that can put Ph.D. behind his name has no better command of the English language but I guess that is about what can be expected from the education establishment today.
From www.dictionary.com:
dif·fuse /v. dɪˈfyuz; adj. dɪˈfyus/
1. to pour out and spread, as a fluid.
2. to spread or scatter widely or thinly; disseminate.
3. Physics. to spread by diffusion.
–verb (used without object) 4. to spread.
5. Physics. to intermingle by diffusion.
–adjective 6. characterized by great length or discursiveness in speech or writing; wordy.
7. widely spread or scattered; dispersed.
8. Botany. widely or loosely spreading.
9. Optics. (of reflected light) scattered, as from a rough surface
What he really meant was:
de·fuse /diˈfyuz/
1. to remove the fuze from (a bomb, mine, etc.).
2. to make less dangerous, tense, or embarrassing: to defuse a potentially ugly situation.
–verb (used without object) 3. to grow less dangerous; weaken.
Ohio Rifleman
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I recieved a similar email.
Just took out the phone numbers for security reasons
Just took out the phone numbers for security reasons
jefnvk
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Seems like a straightforward informative e-mail to me. Nowhere in there did he say it wasn't allowed, let alone saying it was discouraged. merly, he notified teh student body that if they should see someone, they are perfectly in their rights to walk around with an empty holster.
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