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Unwanted Ruger revolver
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Homerboy
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It’s always a blanket order affecting the masses because of the actions of an individual. The officer wasn’t too smart to pull a stunt like that, I hope he was dealt with appropriately by the agency and by the justice system.
I get the DAO rationale for revolvers, it makes sense. The vast majority of defense shootings with DA revolvers are fired DA, so preventing a SA cocking by an officer/deputy under stress isn’t that egregious.
Now the ten-ton Glock trigger (j/k, it’s 8 lbs for NY 1, 11 lbs for NY 2 I believe ) is awful. I can’t think of a single good reason for mandating such a heavy trigger pull on a striker gun... but NY is it’s own beast.
As for long-trigger-pull autos, I have a DAO Beretta 96 Centurion that has a long, but amazingly smooth and light, DAO firing system. It would remind me of a smooth DA revolver like the OP’s new Ruger.
Stay safe.
He wasn’t the only one to mess with the hammer, and I doubt he was the first to kill somebody by playing with the hammer. It was that the kid Yearwood killed was a middle class white kid who had just enlisted in the Navy. The kid was suspected of breaking light bulbs in a subway station when he was stopped. It made big news. I know the cop was fired and I believe he was found guilty of criminally negligent homicide but I don’t believe he did any time.
As for the heavy pull in the semi auto guns, I think it’s overblown. Yeah, the trigger was heavier. But I always shot expert with mine and I never fired a handgun in my life until I came on the job. For a duty gun, the trigger was acceptable.
Look up Officer Peter Liang. Let a shot go while doing a vertical patrol and was surprised by the door below him opening suddenly. Pulled the trigger on his Glock 19. The jury got to handle his weapon to see how heavy the trigger was and they concluded it didn’t just “go off” as Liang said it did. He lost his job and was found guilty of criminally negligent homicide and for probation.
I'm sincerely happy for you but I'm kinda sick at my stomach for wanting a 38 so bad. I've been looking and spreading the word. I have a few 357s and shoot a lot of 38 and downloaded 357. However, I feel like there's a romantic nostalgia missing in my experience.
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stonebuster
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A old Model 10 might do the trick and won't break the bank.
Riomouse911
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I’m familiar with that case, poor tactics/ poor gun handling led to the tragedy in the stairwell.
Stay safe.
Riomouse911
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A Model 10 or a Model 67 would be a great starter .38.
Keep looking and don’t get discouraged heyboy, they’re out there if you’re patient and diligent.
Stay safe.
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stonebuster
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I always value and enjoy the information and stories that come from those who served on the "job". The first hand knowledge you and a few others have shared here and on other forums is appreciated greatly.
Homerboy
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the job could have kept those guns going a little longer. Ruger dropping the line in favor of the GP series was one thing, but they supported the Six series guns for over 25 years after they discontinued them. The Six guns should have been an option until they were all gone. Davidson’s getting them in 1988 probably had more to do with the job not wanting to issue two different holsters. I know my GP100 will not fit into my Jay Pee holster that the Service Six and Model 64/10 so.
Homerboy
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Is there a star stamped into the frame when you open the cylinder. I know NYPD Six guns had that stamp, but I’m not sure if the stamp was applied after the gun arrived at the Equipment Section. That gun looks unused, so it might have arrived at the Equipment Secrion and then been sent back to be shipped to Davidson’s.
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stonebuster
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No star stamped in this Police Service Six. The letter confirmed it was an overrun and overruns were sent to Davidson's. It's my understanding that the stars were stamped by a NYCPD armored after passing inspection. My NYCPD 3" Speed Six has the star but doesn't look like it's seen any use and was also shipped to Davidson's in Dec 1988. So the Speed 6 may have been inspected, stamped and put on the shelf and shipped to Davidson's unused.
Kevin Keith
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Beautiful, really...I'm jealous!
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makes sense. Still was stupid to sell them as over runs. Just because RUger dropped them shouldn’t mean existing brand new stock shouldn’t have gone to its intended destination. The job should have kept the Six guns until all of them were fine and then brought in the GP. Like I said, it was more likely a holster issue.
I carried an SPNY. Shouldn’t have sold it. I currently own 3 confirmed NYPD guns. A blued Service Six, a Smith 5946, and a pre model 10 from 1946. That one was used by the patrolman who bought it in a shootout with r armed men. He won the Medal for Valor for that shootout. I have the newspaper articles of gun getting the medal. There’s something about duty guns that just interests me.
makes sense. Still was stupid to sell them as over runs. Just because RUger dropped them shouldn’t mean existing brand new stock shouldn’t have gone to its intended destination. The job should have kept the Six guns until all of them were fine and then brought in the GP. Like I said, it was more likely a holster issue.
I carried an SPNY. Shouldn’t have sold it. I currently own 3 confirmed NYPD guns. A blued Service Six, a Smith 5946, and a pre model 10 from 1946. That one was used by the patrolman who bought it in a shootout with r armed men. He won the Medal for Valor for that shootout. I have the newspaper articles of gun getting the medal. There’s something about duty guns that just interests me.
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They interest me too and I like to learn as much about them as possible. My interest started with my F-I-L's Colt Trooper service revolver and has grown. Quite a history your pre Model 10 has!
Thanks Guys for the encouragement. I’ll stay with it. Been looking for a model 10 for months. I watch a local page but have been out of town for four days. Got home to see a sweet looking M10 for sale for 300 with some kind of stag grips. I texted the number to get a sold reply.
ThomasT
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Your gun being 38 Special only wouldn't bother me at all. I shoot far more 38 Sp than 357 anyway. And I own 4 38 Sp guns now. I think you made a good purchase.
I have a GP-100 I bought off GB from a New York cop a few years ago and in front of the serial # on the outside of the frame there is a star stamped on the gun. I even called Ruger to see if they knew what it was for and they didn't know either. But it was way too late to have ever been issued by the NYPD. I never have found out why it was stamped like that. Any guesses? The "Star" looks just like the star (*) above the number 8 on your keyboard.
I have a GP-100 I bought off GB from a New York cop a few years ago and in front of the serial # on the outside of the frame there is a star stamped on the gun. I even called Ruger to see if they knew what it was for and they didn't know either. But it was way too late to have ever been issued by the NYPD. I never have found out why it was stamped like that. Any guesses? The "Star" looks just like the star (*) above the number 8 on your keyboard.
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Oh man those new shoes are sexy on that girl. Wouldn’t mind warming up to her and wringing her out on the range. Beautiful old girl!
Homerboy
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No idea. The NYPD never issued GP100's. They were marked GPNY since the factory made them to the NYPD specs, with the spurless hammer and different finish. The star stamped on the Six gun was only visible with the cyilnder open. I don't recal my SPNY having a star. Just SPNY on the frame behind the trigger. The GPNY was stamped in the same place. Did Ruger tell you when it was made? The star on the Six guns looked like a regular star, not the shape of the star over the 8 on a keyboard.
This was the NYPD Ruger GPNY.
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/anyone-else-have-a-ruger-gp-100-gpny-model-in-38-special.1601667/
And an NYPD Service Six. Notice the star.
https://carolinafirearmsforum.com/i...rvice-six-gf-84nycpd-dao-38-spl-4-rare.12952/
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Miami_JBT
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NYPD doesn't issue guns anymore. They have an approved roaster and officers private purchase them from the agency.
The NY-1 marked Model 64s and Model 60s were all private purchased by officers from the agency.
When they went to the automatics, the approved roaster was the S&W Model 5946, SIG P226 DAO, Ruger P89DAO, and the GLOCK 19. Again, all private purchased by the officers.
The NY-1 marked Model 64s and Model 60s were all private purchased by officers from the agency.
When they went to the automatics, the approved roaster was the S&W Model 5946, SIG P226 DAO, Ruger P89DAO, and the GLOCK 19. Again, all private purchased by the officers.
Homerboy
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I’m aware they don’t issue them. I don’t believe they ever did. Guns were always purchased by the officer. I’m retired NYPD. While they’re technically not issued, they are purchased from the equipment section, and while the model was approved, you couldn’t just buy a Glock 19. It had to be approved by the range and sold by either the equipment section or an authorized retailer
And the Ruger was never technically an approved weapon. The Ruger was part of the pilot program while the job mulled over 9MM weapons. Very few officers carried them. The first class to get the 9MM was in August of 1993, and the Ruger was not an option.
Mr.Revolverguy
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I have been on a continuous search for a nice Ruger Speed Six to go with this pair. It is almost hard to believe how much they are now a days, maybe one day I will get lucky.
That is a very nice 4incher you have there.
That is a very nice 4incher you have there.
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stonebuster
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Those are two fabulous looking Six Series revolvers there! This NYCPD 3" Speed Six is what got me started with the Six Series. If the prices ever come down, I'd like a Security Six like yours to complete my collection.
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Oh that picture just made me sick puked all over myself, I have been on the hunt for a nice speed six for 10 years I know.
What a beautiful speed six.
What a beautiful speed six.
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I bought a Ruger Security-Six about four years ago for $475. I thought I kind of overpaid at the time, especially because the original grips felt too small for my hand. Replaced those with some rubber grips. Now, I'm fairly certainly it is the one .357 Mag handgun I will keep until I die.
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No mention of playing with or modifying the gun. It actually sounds like the kind of behavior from cops you normally only see in a movie. I mean, telling them to face a wall and pointing a gun at a guy's head? WTH were they thinking? https://nyti.ms/3wW3rf7
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Homerboy
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This one mentions it. I remember the incident and remember the range instructors telling us that was the reason for the DAO guns.
https://nypost.com/1999/02/21/a-victims-dad-nypd-reckless-not-racist/
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