Unwise Information?

[Akita1]

Just in case anyone is listening I want to avoid any confusion. Even though my name is Tennjed I live in MS. So if you are coming for my guns, please do not harass a innocent Jed in Tennessee. Turn south at Memphis.

DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT COULD HEAR ME BETTER IF I USED ALL CAPS????

Tennessee, Tennessee, they're ain't no place I'd rather be, baby won't you carry me...

 

[Akita1]

I suppose my thinking here is based on the idea that I don't believe there is any government agency that TRULY has general confiscation of firearms as its goal. (There! I said it! )

Without a prime directive that says, "we seek to identify, find, and confiscate all firearms" there is no reason at all to actively pursue such a thing. Doing so would suck up massive resources and get tons of notice.

Further, if they did, it wouldn't be a secret. Not with the sort of nation-wide effort it would take to even begin to locate the vast number of firearms that haven't been tracked -- ever -- or have wandered far from whatever was written on the old yellowed 4473 in some dealer's back room filing cabinet, etc. If there was such an effort to collate that information, we'd have heard about it 100 time by now. It would take thousands, at least, of agents to even get a meaningful start on a project like that. Agents who'd be operating in contact with hundreds of thousands of people in a directly unlawful way. It would be more than a few knowing winks and conspiratorial whispers here and there.

Having said that, I can't rule out some form of modern day electronic recording of 4473s, for example, that -- as institutions go electronic -- happen sometimes without even being intended. (For example, finding out that data has been dumped into hard drives instead of being wiped as required. It happens. Not always because of some nefarious purpose. I've seen similar things happen at my own firm and suddenly you've got many gigabytes of totally useless crap you never intended to record.) Or that at some point various electronic search technology will (or even does now) exist that could scour the bazillions of records and transmissions of all types and would be able to somehow make useful gun tracking data out of it all. And, we all have heard how our spy agencies "listen" to every word (actually more that they have computers scanning transmissions trying to grab key words or phrases related to terrorism and such) -- so it could be some day possible to turn that against American gun owners.

But even so, the fight is NOW, in the legislatures and the courts -- and we've been on the winning side for the last 20 years. Keep that up and we don't have to worry that someday a tyrannical leader will co-opt the NSA to track down your Mosin-Nagant pictures from 2013 and come raid your house.

Amen Sam - with you on the: if you think you're being coy that boat accident noise is just that…noise.

 

[Officers'Wife]

Surely! That's why I posted what I did in Post 69. While collating information may get easier and easier -- so "they" could compile multiple records on each of hundreds of millions of guns in this country -- no one has yet written a computer program that can come and take them from you.

Without an army to take them, and the political will and ability to do something so grossly illegal, what "they" know isn't of much account.

We have to fight now to keep them from having the power and authority to confiscate guns, not hide and pretend ours don't exist.

Perhaps, I hope you are right. But I have to wonder how many said that Franklin Roosevelt would never close all the banks and confiscate all the gold as well. Our government is like being a catch pen with a green pasture steer, out of control, you never know what it is going to do and you need to be especially careful.

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

Just as a thinking point, how many names do you think would be on a list, supplied by Diane Feinstein, of volunteers to sign up & be deputized to come and get 'em?

The answer is of course unknowable, the prospect of something like that happening? Well, there's no doubt in my mind that the senator from California will vote to ratify.

900F

 

[Sam1911]

I'm not sure what you mean. Volunteers to do what? Volunteers from where? Are these cops? Soldiers? "Liberal" college student activists? What authority would Ms. Feinstein be acting under? How does a scenario play out in your view wherein Ms. Feinstein is asked to provide a list of anything, or anyone?

 

[Old Dog]

Just as a thinking point, how many names do you think would be on a list, supplied by Diane Feinstein, of volunteers to sign up & be deputized to come and get 'em?

Really? Does anyone seriously think there are those out there -- presumably already law-abiding gun-owners -- who would "sign up and be deputized" to go out and confiscate the guns of the remaining law-abiding gun owners? Methinks someone is grasping at straws in an attempt to defend an logically indefensible premise (that the currently available data on gun-owners would be used by the government to come and get 'em).

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

I can see we've had a very large disconnect here. "Thinking point", ie, not even put up for discussion. Therefore the ensuing questions should be moot. I also see that Diane Feinstein is obviously foriegn territory to some of the members. I'd suggest gaining some familiarity, it might be instructive.

900F

 

[Sam1911]

I'm afraid we do. If we can't discuss how or by under what conditions something might actually happen, what's the point of this discussion at all?

What if the Obama takes off in Air Force 1 and flies up and bombs Canada? No, no, we can't discuss how or why that couldn't possibly happen, we just have to talk about what IF it did. OOOOoooh, yeah, that'd be bad.

And the Diane Feinstein comment is absurd. Every member here knows exactly who she is.

But apparently YOU don't know the answers to my questions.

I'm not sure what you mean. Volunteers to do what? Volunteers from where? Are these cops? Soldiers? "Liberal" college student activists? What authority would Ms. Feinstein be acting under? How does a scenario play out in your view wherein Ms. Feinstein is asked to provide a list of anything, or anyone?

Does she put on her super-villain Gun Grabber Girl cape and fly out over the nation deputizing the kids who've collected her trading cards and have her secret decoder ring?

What -- in the world -- are we ACTUALLY discussing?

 

[tyeo098]

I dont buy, I build.

I'm more than happy to show off and answer questions. Sometimes I have neat things, like a 9mm AK that takes 72rd drums

 

[CB900F]

Sam1911;

What we're actually discussing was clearly expressed in the opening post. But, I'll state it again for you: If you have a firearm for which there is no paper trail at this time, a preGCA-68 manufacture, a grandpa's closet find, a FTF buy, etc. is there any reason to create a record of the gun?

In anticipation of the closure of this thread I'll also state that if I had room for all the words that have been put in my mouth on this thread, I'd be a whale.

900F

 

[Robert]

This has long since out lived its usefulness so lets just call it done.