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UPDATE: Pet shop shooter may be charged

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Mark Tyson, Dec 11, 2003.

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  1. Mark Tyson

    Mark Tyson Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Where the one eyed man is king
    Hero Shooter May Get Charged

    By Luis Perez and Sean Gardiner
    Staff Writers

    December 10, 2003, 8:46 PM EST

    As neighbors hailed a Brooklyn dog store owner who fatally shot two would-be robbers as a hero, law enforcement authorities Wednesday were mulling whether he should be charged criminally.

    Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said Tuesday night's thwarted robbery appears to be "a justified shooting." However, law enforcement authorities have yet to decide whether charges will be filed against Ivan Blume, the owner of Quality Canines pet shop, for an unlicensed gun found inside his shop, police said.

    Officials at the Brooklyn district attorney's office said Wednesday night that no decision had been made on whether to charge Blume in connection with the shooting or the unlicensed gun.

    Just after 8 p.m. Tuesday, Michael Live, 48, and Hector Perez, 33, both of the Bronx, walked into the shop on Stillwell Avenue in Gravesend and pulled out handguns — Live gripping a 9mm Baretta and Perez handling a .25-caliber Titan.

    The men announced a robbery and ushered Blume and his 17-year-old employee, Daniel Bonder, into a back room. As Perez started to bind Bonder's hands with duct tape, Blume grabbed Live's hand with the gun and started struggling with him. He wrested the gun from Live and shot him once. The store owner then shot Perez twice, police said. Both men were dead when police arrived.

    Police investigating the shooting later found an unlicensed .38-caliber in the store that detectives believe belonged to Blume.

    "The only question mark here is that there were three guns recovered," said a police source, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "We think one of them was his, so we'll have to see how that works out."

    All day Wednesday, Blume remained inside his apartment above his store, which had an iron gate drawn.

    A woman who answered the phone and identified herself as his wife but wouldn't give her name said Blume didn't want to speak. She said Blume was sleeping and was "as good as he can be after an experience like that."

    "It's been a very draining experience," the woman said.

    A woman who wouldn't identify herself who answered the door at Bonder's Gravesend home said the teen suffered a minor injury to his hand. She said he'll be fine physically but that the mental trauma of the incident "is going to stick with him."

    Neighbors were surprised that Blume, who they described as soft-spoken and reserved, would attempt such a daring maneuver as unarming two robbers who were holding weapons on him. They also supported his use of deadly force.

    Billy Beickert, 22, a construction worker who lives around the corner from the pet shop, arrived during the aftermath of the shooting.

    "He gets to go home to see his family, that's the good story," Beickert said. "He's safe."

    John Licciardi, 38, who owns the deli where Blume routinely buys his turkey or roast beef sandwiches at lunchtime, said his longtime customer "got fed up. He saw the opportunity and he took it." Still, Licciardi said he couldn't believe that Blume took that kind of action.

    Neither could Gloria Rafeal, owner of Barron's Grocery, where Blume, whom she knows as a courteous man who always holds the doors for others, buys his cappuccino every morning.

    "He's a very nice guy and very quiet," Rafeal said. "You would never think of him doing something like that. But you know he was defending his life."

    Police said Live has a long criminal history that include convictions for selling drugs, assault, robbery, criminal possession of a weapon, grand larceny, disorderly conduct, jostling and criminal mischief. Perez had a past conviction, but police said the case had been sealed.

    A sign on the front of Blume's store touts his speciality in selling and training purebred dogs such as poodles, Yorkies, Dobermans, Schnauzers and Shiatsus. Police familiar with the investigation said Blume's business was "high end," selling some dogs for $700 to $1,000.

    "Most of the people around here have dogs from Ivan," Rafeal said. "If you want a nice dog, you go to Ivan."

    Blume's shop is open only by appointment, but he regularly stays up as late as midnight for his customers, neighbors said.

    Police said there had been another robbery last year at Blume's store, which is scarred by two bullet holes in the front window. The only thing stolen at gunpoint in that incident was a Yorkshire Terrier, police said.

    Danny Mayer, 49, who bought his poodle from Blume, said the dog store owner was resolute not to let crime in the neighborhood force him to move. Last year, there were 418 robberies in the 60th Precinct, which includes Blume's store.

    "He always said he wasn't going to get out of here," Mayer said. "He's not going to let anyone chase him out."

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  2. Bill Hook

    Bill Hook member

    Jul 23, 2003
    Do they give massages?

  3. Bob Locke

    Bob Locke Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Greeley, CO
    Maybe this guy ought to be the new Police Commissioner.

    Remember the case from a year or two ago in NYC in which the guy shot an intruder in his home just feet from the door to his kids' room? Didn't they charge that guy for unlawful possession of a weapon?
  4. Mike Irwin

    Mike Irwin Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Below the Manson-Nixon line in Virginia...
    "Michael Live..."

    Hum... Now he's Michael Dead. Quick name change.


    I thought he was in prison on charges that he murdered his wife?
  5. mete

    mete Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    That's the way things go in the big city - 'how dare you defend yourself, just who do you think you are , some vigilante ?'
  6. B_Scott

    B_Scott Member

    Feb 25, 2003
    New Orleans
    He should have known that he didn't need his own gun when there are so many thugs walking around with them.
    Oh that .38 must have fallen out of one of those men's pockets :confused:
  7. ojibweindian

    ojibweindian Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Union Grove, Alabama
    Man, I hate New York. I'd rather die than live there.

    I'd rather dive into a pool filled with double-edged razor blades...
    I'd rather have a thousand paper cuts on my tongue...
  8. spacemanspiff

    spacemanspiff Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    would contacting the district attoryneys office help?

    Kings County District Attorney
    (718) 250-2000 350 Jay St # 1002
    Brooklyn, NY

    heres the website:

    interesting, check out the quote on their page about evil being triumphant.
  9. Redlg155

    Redlg155 Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    NW Florida
    Ok..I feel for the store owner. It's a shame when a business owner or private citizen cannot arm themselves for the sake of protection. He did what he had to do to save his life.

    At the same time, if you choose to live in a gun phrohibitive city or state then you should be well aware of the consequences of using a banned weapon....even if used to save your life. It was your choice to live there. As of now we still don't need "papers" in order to change locations.

    No doubt the DA will issue a statement saying that it was ok to defend himself, but that they can't make exceptions on the unregistered gun found.

    Good Shooting
  10. StuporDave

    StuporDave Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    I know this isn't quite on the topic of the thread, but it's bugging me. What the heck is the crime of jostling? :confused:

    Just curious,

  11. cracked butt

    cracked butt Member

    Jan 3, 2003
    SE Wisconsin
    Gee think the police may be investigating him as the owner of he 3rd handgun because he made them look bad?
    Lets see- shop gets robbed previously, no cops in sight to rescue the owner.
    Shop gets robbed again, again no cops to protect the innocent.
    Innocent wrestles gun away from robber, shoots robber, shoots other armed robber, no innocent bystanders are killed, noone is killed for reaching in their back pocket to get a wallet, noone is sodomized with a toilet plunger.
    Police say nice work kid, but next time let the professionals handle it.

  12. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    I used to love to go to New York. That was a long time ago.
  13. BluesBear

    BluesBear member

    Jul 25, 2003
    The Great Pacific NorthWet
    Ivan Blume - Hail the Warrior Spirit !

    I'd rather have my blood sucked out my leeches,
    or stick my nostrils together with Krazy Glue...
  14. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Member

    Aug 21, 2003
    I'd rather pull my heart right out of my chest with my bare hands and then throw it on the floor and stomp on it `til I die...
  15. Frohickey

    Frohickey Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    People's Republic of **********
    :cuss: to the ones that would charge Ivan Blume!

    Billy Beicker, John Licciardi, Gloria Rafeal, Danny Mayer... put these 4 in the jury of 12 for Ivan Blume's trial for the unregistered handgun.
  16. TallPine

    TallPine Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    somewhere in the middle of Montana
    Sounds to me like they were just about to be murdered.

    Desperate situations call for desperate actions.

    WAGCEVP Member

    May 26, 2003
    only in NY :cuss: :fire: :banghead: :barf: :rolleyes: :confused:
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