Update: (To my thread entitled "Very Angry")

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Go to the county registrar's office and find out EXACTLY where the land boundries are. Get a topographical map and clearly mark the boundries on your map. When she screams at you, ignore her. When she calls the sherrif on you, you will be able to prove you are in the right.

Don't sweat it, but make sure YOU are doing the right thing.
 
Two key points-
1. Make absolutely, positively sure you're in the right and have the right to be shooting there, and get it in writing (i.e. property maps, permission, copy of pertainent law).
2. Document the incident(s) with the authorities. Make sure they hear from YOU, before they hear from HER. He who speaks first, wins.

Good Luck, illegitimi non carborundum.
 
JackofAllTrades and Hawkmoon have the best-detailed advice in my opinion, but everyone who's advised you to check the legal ownership (etc.) is right. And as much as you may not like it, there's some validity in the statement by Taliv
that's because you're hearing ONE side of a story, from an 18 yr old who started a thread titled "Very Angry" with a self-described rant.

Not to nitpick, but none of that is inaccurate; the fact that you're 18 is not dismissive, but by your own admission you lack the experience to know how to proceed. "Very Angry" and "self-described rant" (though it may have been, admittedly, tongue-in-cheek) were your own descriptions of your state of mind, and most likely reflects your handling of the two-way screaming.

In any case, from the link you posted about the Scouts cutting trails, etc., that news report claims that the land is a "200-acre-plus town forest". That doesn't make it clear to me that you have a right to shoot there. It's critical to establish who owns the land; newspapers screw things up all the time, but I wouldn't normally expect that "public" land with cut trails through it, is qualified for indiscriminate informal target shooting. Most lands that have trails are usually posted, aren't they?? That is to say, shooting areas in such lands are defined within the acreage in most cases. Your family may have moved in 20 years ago, but that doesn't give you any more legal right to shoot on the land if you don't own it, unless it is truly public land that you can shoot on. BigFatKen makes another excellent point--some hunting lands are not shooting lands. She may have never complained before (as far as you know) because all the previous gunfire may have been sporadic from folks who're strictly hunting.

Your first task is to find the bureaucracy that can tell you who owns the land. Deeds of Title are what you're looking for; down here, and in all the counties I've ever lived in, the county/chauncery clerk has those records and corresponding maps. Once ownership is established, as so many have advised, you'll need the landowner's written permission (stipulating no end date). At least by this point, I'd check in with the local PD or Sheriff's Dept.

When I bought my property, I wanted land I could shoot on; I researched ownerships on all the properties around mine, contacted the owners in writing (and all but one responded--there were only 3), confirmed the legalities of local ordinances to be sure of my ability to shoot on the land, and then checked with the Sheriff's Dept before I bought the property. Here, too, the limit is a minimum of 300 feet to the nearest property boundary. However, even though one has the legal right, common sense and the Sheriff's Dept can deny your right to shoot if it is deemed unsafe because of 1) direction, 2) LOS (line-of-sight) 3) privately owned building structures along the line of shooting (to include about a 60* angle swath depending on the Sheriff) in front of the target line. The Sheriff's decision is arbitrary. Some will now the geography and deny you outright for some geographical feature or limitation. Others will prohibit you if there's a tool shed in the line of sight. You're at the Sheriff's mercy there, so it behooves you to be rational, cooperative, (yet firm) and sure of your legal ground.

You've got a lot to overcome, but it's not that daunting. It could take as long as several days of legwork depending on the efficiency of the local bureaucracy; and then you "should" contact the PD/Sheriffs. Borrowedtime69 ain't far off the mark either with his suggestion that you contact her in the manner he prescribes, but I wouln't do that until (as he infers,) you've got all your ducks lined up, and she's the last obstacle you face.
 
taliv, I was thinking the same thing -

pdowg881 - Don't be like her and scream back. I don't think that would accomplish much. Also, dismiss the fact that being 18 is a negative. Nothing quite so impresses people as a polite teenager. Here is what I would do.

1. Continue your normal shooting practice and if she repeats her performance ignore her.

2. Make sure that where you are shooting is an OK place to be shooting. (double check that you are in the right)

3. Demonstrate, by your careful actions, your high concern for saftey. Making sure your target is clear, no populace beyond it, backstop, etc. You don't have to show this or prove it to anyone but just be doing it the right way.

4. You might want to talk to neighbors with whom you are friendly to see what they know about this person. That may tell a lot. She may be the new neighbor that will be a pain (to a lot of people) for years to come. Maybe she had a loved one who was involved with a firearm injury or fatality and is SCARED and upset. Maybe she is a nice person who is simply misguided. Whatever, find out waht you can about her. I wouldn't approach her without some idea of this.

5. Knowing what you are getting in to, you may choose to to talk to her. Be the sweet, freindly, polite, helpful, law abiding neighbor that we all know you are. (Do NOT apologize or hedge because you are only 18)

6. If she persists, go on the offense. Call the local sheriff, game warden, etc., and ask what you can do, if anything, to end the harassment. She does not have a right to do what she is doing.

I am afraid that what you describe is going to become an increasingly occuring scenario for many in our country.

Good luck to you.
 
I disagree with Hokkmike a little, on this:
If she persists, go on the offense. Call the local sheriff, game warden, etc., and ask what you can do, if anything, to end the harassment. She does not have a right to do what she is doing.

Not as a "point by point rebuttal", but the tone of "if she persist, go on the offense" comes across as 'belligerent from irritation', if that makes sense. Stay polite. Do not wait for her next complaint (be it personal--directly at you, or public--her reporting to the local PD). Contacting the local LEO is one of the first and more important things you have to do; if "offense" is too 'aggresive' a word (in my opinion), "reactive" is definitely not the action you want to portray. That is to say, you cannot afford to be caught in the position of looking like you're answering an accusation (of any kind, personal or public). You must look like you're concerned for the public welfare, and if that is the case, your contacting the PD/Sheriff's Dept first is a good display of your (perceived) intentions. Be sure to take a name and badge number, date and time, when you consult with the LEO.

It's not "harassment". She has as much right to bitch as you might to shoot on the property. I shoot on my land all the time. I'm safe; extremely. And though my neighbors have never complained to me (probably because they can't establish the direction of the gunfire acoustically), I have no doubt that they bitch sometimes. But I contacted them before I ever shot on the land, and explained that I'd researched the entirety of the subject, and with LEO approval, was "legitimate". I asked my neighbors if they had days/hours that they'd prefer I shoot on, and *poof!* it was done. But I have no doubt that they are always concerned that I might let off a round in the wrong direction. I wonder about that when I hear distant neighbors cut loose; if I could figure out where they were, I'd go check them out too, just to confirm that I'm safe on my land when they're shooting. She's got every right; that doesn't make it "right", but it's something you might have to contend with. As Hokkmike says, she can be a pain for years to come. Try and nip that in the bud by the appearance of cooperating "in her best interests". She doesn't have to like it, she just has to accept it, and she'll be the most willing if you present your side in a friendly manner. But you can't ignore her; if the neighbors around you are 'on the fence' or more aligned with her than you, you'll have a problem if she bands them together against you. You have to get her understanding; like I said, she doesn't have to like it, she has to accept it. You can't let her get a 'ball rolling'. Remember, you're not talking about the "uncommon" sporadic gunfire that one hears during hunting season; you're talking about continuous gunfire from targetshooting. People (neophytes) are usually less tolerant of that. (the folks around me probably never reckoned that "target shooting" on my property would entail rapid-fire, double taps, and 50AE Desert Eagles; I'm sure they'd be just as happy if I'd stop)
 
So being 18 makes me an irresposible liar when you have no idea who I am or what kind of a person I am? Passing judgement solely on age doesn't work.

hold up now. I'm not calling you irresponsible or a liar. I am not passing judgement. In fact, I'm doing the exact opposite. I am suggesting none of us pass judgement prematurely on this woman based on one side of the story, and based on that, give you bad advice.

please let us know how this turns out
 
Update: (My thread titled very angry)

After triple checking I have shown her house, and her land outlined in black, and a red dot across the lake where I was shooting. There are already distance markers that indicate I am well outside of 300 feet and where I'm shooting is legal, and the black line added is her driveway to the street.

Discharge Restrictions/Compact Areas: It is illegal to shoot a firearm or bow and arrow within 300 feet of a permanently occupied dwelling without permission of the owner or occupant, or from the owner of the land on which the person shooting the firearm or bow and arrow is situated. A firearm may not be discharged within 300 feet of any commercial, educational or medical building, or outdoor public gathering place.


I have marked my field of fire. the 300 feet is just for a reference point for the distances on the map. This shows I am shooting well outside of 300Ft.

I am just asking what to do if she confronts me or how I should handle this. Im just providing this map because some people are too skeptical to offer advice. I should have asked it hypothetaically I guess.
 

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Good work so far..

There is one more thing to do now and then you'll be covered.

Draw your fan of fire on the map. That means, superimpose a tiangular area showing lines from your shooting position out to your target, indicating your left and right limits.

Good job!
 
Isn't that what you're doing here-- trying to prove to us that you're doing right, and that you're improperly being persecuted?

Hey, this thread was closed before. I merged it with the "Update" for simplicity's sake, which reopened it.

Explain please what NH law says about distance required to maintain from dwellings when shooting for target practice. I see a 300 foot line on your map that doesn't seem to take into account the lady's house.
 
Yes, keep it on you while shooting there.

Also, send her a copy via mail (no return address is necessary) stating the following:

"Dear Neighbor,

Welcome to the neighborhood. I apologize if you've been around a while and I'm just now getting around to welcoming you. I've lived here most all my life and helped create the improvements to the beautiful public land adjacent to where we live. After you've been here a while, it seems like such a wonderful place you never want to leave. As I said, I've lived here most all my life and don't intend to move anytime soon!

All through my childhood and up through today, I've loved the neighborhood, the neighbors, and the convenient use of the public land adjacent to our property. My family and I have enjoyed hiking, target shooting and nature watching on this public land for decades, and we've been active participants in helping to develop the land for recreational use by all of us.

Recently, there have been some reports of people who either don't value the use of this land for recreation, or who wish to monopolize the land for their own use disturbing others who are engaged in lawful recreational use of the land. The land is public, free for the use of all for any lawful purpose provided they are being safe in doing so. We want to preserve the use of this land for all lawful recreation. We have consulted with area law enforcement as to what has been happening, and they (as well as the local zoning board) were quick to confirm that the area is legal for use by hikers, target shooters, nature watchers and other harmless recreation activities by the public, and they said to inform them if similar episodes occur in the future. They verified our longstanding belief and practice that one is within the law when target shooting on public land if one is at least 300 feet from dwellings and shooting in a safe direction with a proper backstop. If you notice anyone approaching (or on) the public land on the enclosed map (section highlighted) who is harrassing (yelling, etc) those who are lawfully enjoying the public land, please report the harrassing party to the police, as this is what we have been requested to do by local Law Enforcement.

Again, welcome to our wonderful neighborhood! We hope you'll enjoy it as much as we do!

Sincerely,

Your Neighbor"
 
This assumes that you have actually checked in person with local law enforcement as stated in the letter and have solid assurances that what you're doing is completely kosher and that there are no caveats or policies that you're overlooking. If you're headed for "push comes to shove" territory, you want to be completely sure you're RIGHT, and not operating under any false assumptions. Heck, even if you've been doing it for years there might have been a law passed a month ago that you don't know about. Get the honest to God straight dope from people in the know.

You said you tripple checked. I'm assuming that means you have ironclad assurances from at least three entities (no, asking the same cop three different times doesn't count). I'm talking about the local police, the zoning board, and the public lands administrator. (that would be 3, right?) or whatever your local equivalent would be. Including a copy of the state statue or the BLM policy covering shooting on public land would be a VERY GOOD IDEA as well.
 
if target shooting is legal

A nice 18 year old young man should teach his fellow Scouts
a thing or two about gun safety, target shooting and hunting.

It's for the children.

Stories like this are common, people move from gun free zones into the free
rural areas without realizing that the sound of gunfire is the sound of freedom.

I have friends who live near the Burningman ranch in northern NV
and they have informal class three shoots near the time of the burn,
they have called the police (California burningman devotee's) , only to be told "I wonder if he'll let me shoot that cool MP5 he has"

BTW please book mark or save to fave this: http://www.spellcheck.net/
 
Private Land?

Find out if it really is private property. If it is check with the owner. The owner may give you written permission to shoot there. If it is Public land make a friend of a Deputy Sheriff, invite him out for some friendly practice. If she comes out then he'll take care of her. If she doesn't you still have a friend that is good to have. One other suggestion, when flustered like this find a way to release the anger. Try hanging up a punching bag or something. Don't go looking for her to talk to her. This may easily be misconstrued as a kid looking for trouble. You don't need that. Alot of folks here have given good advice, consider their words. Good luck.
 
Reading the law about general restrictions regarding shooting around residences may or may not apply to your situation. If all you've done is get a map that shows that it's public land, that still might not mean that it's o.k. for you to target shoot on that public land. If you have free access to it, then don't other kids also have access to it? You're just setting up targets in some woods that are relatively near populated areas. Can't you see the possibility that others might be walking through those same woods?

The advice to check with somebody in authority about the restrictions on that particular piece of land is right on the money. Your assuming that everything's o.k., based on your understanding of the regulations/laws that you've posted might be a really poor assumption. The least of your potential problems is that some housewife might call the cops to investigate your shooting. Pop a kid in the head with that .22, and you'll find out what real problems are all about.
 
I agree with the advice to contact the local police. You should inform them that you were out shooting on public land and one of the late-comers to move to the area started screaming at you and tried to claim that you were on private property. You should then request that they swing by your place and you'd be happy to show them where you were shooting and would they please show you where the boundaries are for the public land you were on so you could be certain not to have made a mistake.

The map from the county is an excellent idea as well. This will allow you to be prepared to show the cops where you were shooting before you walk the property with them.

If your family has been there for several years they may know one of the local cops. Try to contact that individual when you ask for assistance.

I agree that it's probably a bad idea to talk to her, at least until you've talked with the police and they've come to the property to verify that you were on public land. After that you may ask them to talk to her and explain that you were on public land and that you were completely in the right.

Regardless of the juvenile suggestions to do things to harass her, DON'T. You'll end up looking a bigger fool than she is and possibly be breaking the law. You'll also make all us shooters look like immature idiots and become one of those bad examples antis use all the time.
 
pdowg881 said:
Discharge Restrictions/Compact Areas: It is illegal to shoot a firearm or bow and arrow within 300 feet of a permanently occupied dwelling without permission of the owner or occupant, or from the owner of the land on which the person shooting the firearm or bow and arrow is situated. A firearm may not be discharged within 300 feet of any commercial, educational or medical building, or outdoor public gathering place.


I have marked my field of fire. the 300 feet is just for a reference point for the distances on the map. This shows I am shooting well outside of 300Ft.
But that map you linked to shows lines. Those are property lines. The place where you show yourself shooting is on a specific parcel of land, which parcel has an owner.

The regulation you cited states that it is illegal to shoot a firearm or a bow and arrow without permission from the owner of the land on which the person shooting is located. You don't even seem to know who owns the land where you were shooting so, aside from the fact that you were probably trespassing, you pretty clearly didn't have the owner's permission to shoot and therefore your shooting was clearly illegal.
 
first thing you should do is make sure the land really is public land. Call your department of natural resources or whatever it may be called, they should be able to steer you in the right direction as far as tracking down the land.

second, call the police once you verify the land is public land. Seems to me in this world half the battle with authority is won by getting your story in first. Tell them you were in public woods and a crazy lady showed up and started screaming stuff at you. Tell the police you were doing nothing illegal and you expect them to stop her from harassing you again.

This will go a long way in your favor if it ever happens again and she calls the cops and tells them some story about you shooting a gun at her.
 
being critical.....

Do not take people being critical of you as an excuse to be offended.

They are simply asking questions and making statements that others will ask and make.

These types of critical statements and questions give you a broad insight and give much information to prepare you for when you go face to face with people in this situation. It will lend to your maturity and your social interaction. Do not get emotional, stay almost deadpan. Getting emotional shows your hand, keep people aware of what they do not know.

This pridicament has already shown you much and you have learned much about land rights for someone who is 18. I only wish I knew half as much as you have learned from this.

You might want to think about real estate:)
 
I'm with Hawkmoon 100% on this when he says:

But that map you linked to shows lines. Those are property lines. The place where you show yourself shooting is on a specific parcel of land, which parcel has an owner.

I'm tryin' to make sense of your map.. I think you're stating that the red circle is your 'point of fire' and the red-outlined fan at the right of "Elevation 202 USGS" denotes your 'shooting fan'. Is the circled black area to the right of "Kelley" your 'adversary's' house? and that black line from the red circle is her driveway to the street?

If so, you've got one thing going for you; you're shooting in the opposite direction, but that's the only thing you're map (and claims) posit.

I've reread your intial post, and it's still not clear how the topographical and geographical features are laid out. Your "field of fire" is of course, not limited to the map you've posted. What lies beyond the maps you've shown, in the direction your shooting? (and the "direction" is not just a 10-degree arc.... for safety's sake, I think you need to consider at least a 90* arc in front of you for that one accidental time in your life when you have that AD or ND "somewhere in front". Most ranges enforce a 180-degree rule, and even my 90-degree suggestion is 50% lacking.

I stand by my two previous posts in this thread. Even though one has the legal right, common sense and the Sheriff's Dept can deny your right to shoot if it is deemed unsafe because of 1) direction, 2) LOS (line-of-sight) 3) privately owned building structures along the line of shooting. Also, as has been stated before, "hunting" land isn't necessarily "target-shooting" land. You need to find out about that, too.
 
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