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Beagle, I already have a 14" pump, it's a factory over-run of 870's which were made for the U.S. Secret Service and I LOVE IT. I buy the reduced recoil/noise shells from Wally World and can't literally shoot it one handed.
Upgrading an older Rem 1100 12ga
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Folks,
The old 1100s , especially the fixed choked barrels, are that good. It has to do with not only the metallurgy, also the relationship of chamber, forcing cone, barrel diameter, and choke.
It is that obvious if you run a Stan Baker Bore Diameter Tool down barrels.
This is true of many older shotguns, and why many folks prefer the older fixed choked barrels.
I have seen literally seen, 100 barrels ruined, in one setting, where folks were messing with gas ports to make short barrel guns for early shotgun games, to hunting in thick brush.
Not just Rem, other makes from Win, Beretta and even Benelli.
The only good thing about some of these barrels, were the fact some of these were guns confiscated from criminals, and the gun would not work.
Like a Target Grade 1100 Trap gun, with the barrel hack sawed short.
Or Win Custom Shop Super X Model 1.
The Perazzi, and Krieghoff target guns would work and these had holes drilled in the stocks to hold the gun with cord or strap so it could be carried under a long rain coat, or long coat.
Still a clay shooter messed up his Beretta 303 by punching ports for some reason he heard about.
He did not cut the barrel, just messed with the ports.
Many ports were messed up by improper cleaning , as there was "fad" to use a drill bit to expedite cleaning gas guns.
Instead of getting the correct one, as a gun smith uses, folks just grabbed one from a tool box, and some chucked these into drills, or in drill presses.
Everyone was in a dad burned hurry and had to do the new and fangled and latest greatest.
Now I do not have a problem with project and pride of ownership, still one would be wise to use older guns, maybe some parts to build one, and not a classic, or quality gun.
They will never again make these guns again, current ones are not the same as the old ones.
Gun Control has always been a concern, and I go back to this concern before GCA '68
Everyone "has to have" a short barrel.
Well in Ireland some folks lost shotguns/barrels, as they passed a Law saying citizens could not own a barrel less than 24".
I forget what year, still they did.
So one is wise to keep some bone stock shotguns, any firearm platform, as Gun Laws could change.
Rem 1100 is mentioned specifically in some gun control regulations as "Automatic" , "Repeating" and other catch words.
I mean a bone stock 1100 used for shooting clay targets for instance.
If the times ever get more serious than they are now, some words will be "defined" and "interpreted" the way Gov't and Control chooses to.
Take a look at current knife laws in some areas of the USA. These bore out of knife laws in the UK.
The same strategy and tactics used in the UK, were/are being used here.
A Swiss Army Knife, if the closed length is too long, is not legal in some settings in the US. If the blade is over say 2.5" , and this is best measure from pivot to end of blade, that knife is not legal on that campus, or business setting.
Here is a another Concern I and many have had for some time now: Cerberus
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5208506&postcount=20
Now all these gun companies under one "umbrella", and the concern I and others had, has come to fruition.
Now they want a bailout.
Gov't gets involved, which means "conditions" or "control".
I am in my early 50s, and I am dead serious when I share as a wee brat, before JFK was shot in '63 Mentors were setting back simple, bone stock guns such as single shot .22 rifles and shotguns, in any gauge, except 12 ga.
As much as the 1911 , BHP, Model 10 and other guns were owned, liked, and appreciated, in 45ACP, 9mm and .38spl, other guns in other calibers/gauges were set back.
Why?
Because Mentors had seen gun control in other countries, and it was happening and still is.
Citizens could not have the same guns and calibers as "Police", or "Military".
Folks go on about stopping power and all that nonsense and talk down to our members that live out of the USA.
These quality Int'l member cannot have what we can in the USA.
They are restricted and have been for some time.
Awerbuck travels with a double barrel shotgun. Clint Smith keeps a single shot 20 ga bedside.
I have always had a bone stock youth 20 ga single shot and even travel/ traveled with one.
What gauge do the US Police Depts and Military Issue?
Who makes the guns?
This was the concern Mentors had before JFK got shot, and before GCA '68.
There goes the 870 in 12 ga, 1911 in 45ACP, BHP in 9mm , Model 10 in .38spl...etc.
That 12 ga has a short barrel and is used by Police and Military, and if the control is, citizens cannot have what is Issued, citizens are left out.
That is why folks would be wise to have bone stock shotguns with longer barrels.
WE did "lessons" with "set ups" before IDPA/IPSC, and 3 Gun came to be with "stages" and "training" .
There were no gun schools back then, unless one went into the Police Academy, or joined the Military.
Still folks from /or had been in OSS, LEO, Military including "rescue teams" and Rangers, Special Forces and others gave private lessons to us all.
Do not tell me you cannot use strategy and tactics with a bone stock shotgun with a longer barrel.
In 1974 I bought a brand new Win SX1, and I was not the only one. Mine came with a 28" fixed choked Modified choked barrel.
Dead Serious, when I share some Rangers, Special Forces and Rescue Team folks were using SX1s and 1100s with barrels with fixed chokes in 26" (skeet or improved choke) and 28" modified and doing some serious shotgun defensive lessons.
Including a 3 story shoot house.
Blending in is the key.
These trained professionals blend in to where they are for tasks.
Dead serious, if they get dropped to a place, they can run whatever gun is the "local' gun, and make it work.
If the local gun is a single shot shotgun, they can run it, to get the job done.
It is the shooter - not the shooting iron.
I miss my Win 1400 in 20 ga, with Deluxe wood, with 28" barrel with Win-Choke.
Besides being the softest shooting shotgun, and being one of the best shotguns to teach a new shooter with, this gun by mfg design is limited to 3 shells.
Forget Migratory Game laws and having to plug a shotgun.
Unlike the 1100, Beretta, Benelli ,others even SX1,2,and 3 this gun -
"is not capable of holding more than 3 shells, and cannot be altered to accept more than 3".
Go read some gun restrictive legislation already out there, and read close the 'definitions" and if some day, these were to be "interpreted" such, some guns are going to be not acceptable to owned or used by citizens.
Not to mention this Cerberus situation.
Over the years, I have lost guns due to tornado, fire, flood and even criminals using a burn bar to access a walk in vault.
I miss the guns, still I miss the people associated with these.
Some were guns left in my charge to pass down to their kids and family, as they were dying, and did die.
In 2008, I lost most everything else I had left, due to multiple tornadoes, floods and fire again.
I even got lucky and my prized shotgun, just a field grade, still we go back to NIB in '74 and 300,000 rds being shot was salvaged from a tornado.
Only to lose it in another event by Mother Nature a short time later after being moved to another off site location.
Some have asked why I share my only shotgun is a youth 20 ga single shot, that is why.
Plus, I have a bone stock "kids" shotgun, that at its 36" total length I can use indoors for serious us, I can and do travel with it, and it has been in a number of places in the USA, that are not gun friendly.
Anyone I hand that gun to, can use it, including a small teenager, someone physically limited, or elderly.
I know because these type of folks have done just that with my shotgun, or one exactly like it to watch my back.
They did it while I recovered from surgery and when I slept after being up for 48 hours or so , with serious matters such as these tornadoes.
I have no problem with a 15 year old young lady , or wheel chair bound lady or gent, or even elderly person, doing so.
I did pass onto them the lessons as passed onto to me.
That 15 year old ran 24/25 shooting regular skeet. She dropped the first bird being nervous.
She has since run 25/25.
Please think thrice about firearm choices and alterations.
Who knows what the future holds in store?
The old 1100s , especially the fixed choked barrels, are that good. It has to do with not only the metallurgy, also the relationship of chamber, forcing cone, barrel diameter, and choke.
It is that obvious if you run a Stan Baker Bore Diameter Tool down barrels.
This is true of many older shotguns, and why many folks prefer the older fixed choked barrels.
I have seen literally seen, 100 barrels ruined, in one setting, where folks were messing with gas ports to make short barrel guns for early shotgun games, to hunting in thick brush.
Not just Rem, other makes from Win, Beretta and even Benelli.
The only good thing about some of these barrels, were the fact some of these were guns confiscated from criminals, and the gun would not work.
Like a Target Grade 1100 Trap gun, with the barrel hack sawed short.
Or Win Custom Shop Super X Model 1.
The Perazzi, and Krieghoff target guns would work and these had holes drilled in the stocks to hold the gun with cord or strap so it could be carried under a long rain coat, or long coat.
Still a clay shooter messed up his Beretta 303 by punching ports for some reason he heard about.
He did not cut the barrel, just messed with the ports.
Many ports were messed up by improper cleaning , as there was "fad" to use a drill bit to expedite cleaning gas guns.
Instead of getting the correct one, as a gun smith uses, folks just grabbed one from a tool box, and some chucked these into drills, or in drill presses.
Everyone was in a dad burned hurry and had to do the new and fangled and latest greatest.
Now I do not have a problem with project and pride of ownership, still one would be wise to use older guns, maybe some parts to build one, and not a classic, or quality gun.
They will never again make these guns again, current ones are not the same as the old ones.
Gun Control has always been a concern, and I go back to this concern before GCA '68
Everyone "has to have" a short barrel.
Well in Ireland some folks lost shotguns/barrels, as they passed a Law saying citizens could not own a barrel less than 24".
I forget what year, still they did.
So one is wise to keep some bone stock shotguns, any firearm platform, as Gun Laws could change.
Rem 1100 is mentioned specifically in some gun control regulations as "Automatic" , "Repeating" and other catch words.
I mean a bone stock 1100 used for shooting clay targets for instance.
If the times ever get more serious than they are now, some words will be "defined" and "interpreted" the way Gov't and Control chooses to.
Take a look at current knife laws in some areas of the USA. These bore out of knife laws in the UK.
The same strategy and tactics used in the UK, were/are being used here.
A Swiss Army Knife, if the closed length is too long, is not legal in some settings in the US. If the blade is over say 2.5" , and this is best measure from pivot to end of blade, that knife is not legal on that campus, or business setting.
Here is a another Concern I and many have had for some time now: Cerberus
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5208506&postcount=20
Now all these gun companies under one "umbrella", and the concern I and others had, has come to fruition.
Now they want a bailout.
Gov't gets involved, which means "conditions" or "control".
I am in my early 50s, and I am dead serious when I share as a wee brat, before JFK was shot in '63 Mentors were setting back simple, bone stock guns such as single shot .22 rifles and shotguns, in any gauge, except 12 ga.
As much as the 1911 , BHP, Model 10 and other guns were owned, liked, and appreciated, in 45ACP, 9mm and .38spl, other guns in other calibers/gauges were set back.
Why?
Because Mentors had seen gun control in other countries, and it was happening and still is.
Citizens could not have the same guns and calibers as "Police", or "Military".
Folks go on about stopping power and all that nonsense and talk down to our members that live out of the USA.
These quality Int'l member cannot have what we can in the USA.
They are restricted and have been for some time.
Awerbuck travels with a double barrel shotgun. Clint Smith keeps a single shot 20 ga bedside.
I have always had a bone stock youth 20 ga single shot and even travel/ traveled with one.
What gauge do the US Police Depts and Military Issue?
Who makes the guns?
This was the concern Mentors had before JFK got shot, and before GCA '68.
There goes the 870 in 12 ga, 1911 in 45ACP, BHP in 9mm , Model 10 in .38spl...etc.
That 12 ga has a short barrel and is used by Police and Military, and if the control is, citizens cannot have what is Issued, citizens are left out.
That is why folks would be wise to have bone stock shotguns with longer barrels.
WE did "lessons" with "set ups" before IDPA/IPSC, and 3 Gun came to be with "stages" and "training" .
There were no gun schools back then, unless one went into the Police Academy, or joined the Military.
Still folks from /or had been in OSS, LEO, Military including "rescue teams" and Rangers, Special Forces and others gave private lessons to us all.
Do not tell me you cannot use strategy and tactics with a bone stock shotgun with a longer barrel.
In 1974 I bought a brand new Win SX1, and I was not the only one. Mine came with a 28" fixed choked Modified choked barrel.
Dead Serious, when I share some Rangers, Special Forces and Rescue Team folks were using SX1s and 1100s with barrels with fixed chokes in 26" (skeet or improved choke) and 28" modified and doing some serious shotgun defensive lessons.
Including a 3 story shoot house.
Blending in is the key.
These trained professionals blend in to where they are for tasks.
Dead serious, if they get dropped to a place, they can run whatever gun is the "local' gun, and make it work.
If the local gun is a single shot shotgun, they can run it, to get the job done.
It is the shooter - not the shooting iron.
I miss my Win 1400 in 20 ga, with Deluxe wood, with 28" barrel with Win-Choke.
Besides being the softest shooting shotgun, and being one of the best shotguns to teach a new shooter with, this gun by mfg design is limited to 3 shells.
Forget Migratory Game laws and having to plug a shotgun.
Unlike the 1100, Beretta, Benelli ,others even SX1,2,and 3 this gun -
"is not capable of holding more than 3 shells, and cannot be altered to accept more than 3".
Go read some gun restrictive legislation already out there, and read close the 'definitions" and if some day, these were to be "interpreted" such, some guns are going to be not acceptable to owned or used by citizens.
Not to mention this Cerberus situation.
Over the years, I have lost guns due to tornado, fire, flood and even criminals using a burn bar to access a walk in vault.
I miss the guns, still I miss the people associated with these.
Some were guns left in my charge to pass down to their kids and family, as they were dying, and did die.
In 2008, I lost most everything else I had left, due to multiple tornadoes, floods and fire again.
I even got lucky and my prized shotgun, just a field grade, still we go back to NIB in '74 and 300,000 rds being shot was salvaged from a tornado.
Only to lose it in another event by Mother Nature a short time later after being moved to another off site location.
Some have asked why I share my only shotgun is a youth 20 ga single shot, that is why.
Plus, I have a bone stock "kids" shotgun, that at its 36" total length I can use indoors for serious us, I can and do travel with it, and it has been in a number of places in the USA, that are not gun friendly.
Anyone I hand that gun to, can use it, including a small teenager, someone physically limited, or elderly.
I know because these type of folks have done just that with my shotgun, or one exactly like it to watch my back.
They did it while I recovered from surgery and when I slept after being up for 48 hours or so , with serious matters such as these tornadoes.
I have no problem with a 15 year old young lady , or wheel chair bound lady or gent, or even elderly person, doing so.
I did pass onto them the lessons as passed onto to me.
That 15 year old ran 24/25 shooting regular skeet. She dropped the first bird being nervous.
She has since run 25/25.
Please think thrice about firearm choices and alterations.
Who knows what the future holds in store?
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