UPS "Store"

[BigBlock]

People who work filling boxes all day are often morons. Are you surprised?

 

[catfish101]

People who work filling boxes all day are often morons. Are you surprised?

I wouldn't say that.

 

[BigBlock]

I wouldn't say that.

Oh, I guess they weren't hiring that day at NASA.

 

[catfish101]

Oh, I guess they weren't hiring that day at NASA.

It would be safe to say that not everybody at NASA could carry a rural Postal route and get it right everyday.

There are morons at the post office but definately not all.

 

[BigBlock]

There are morons at the post office but definately not all.

We're not talking about the post office, nor are we talking about people who deliver packages.

 

[catfish101]

I apologize Bigblock.

 

[JWarren]

I just wanted to add to this thread that I recently had our UPS Store not only ship, but pack a converted Saiga 308.

They got a kick of the fact that I walked in and cleared it with them prior to walking in the store with it. I just told them "Hey, I didn't like the idea of getting gunned down by Columbia's Finest while trying to mail a package."

Turns out that the boxes for golf clubs worked nice.

So I thought it was worth adding a positive story.


-- John

 

[brickeyee]

Just Don't Tell Them Its A Gun. It's Not Like You Must Declare What You're Shipping.

For firearms you actually ARE required to .

 

[Guapo]

People who work filling boxes all day are often morons.

And people who own guns are often morons. People who are police officers are often morons. People who are firefighters are often morons. People who computer technicians are often morons. People who are salesmen are often morons. People who are lawyers are often morons.

 

[RobZ71LM7]

"For firearms you actually ARE required to ."

Not if you're shipping to an FFL holder. Who cares about UPS policy?

 

[Gator]

Who cares about UPS policy?

Well, if your package gets lost and they refuse to pay the insurance because you didn't tell them it was a gun, you might care.

 

[brickeyee]

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 27, Volume 3]
[Revised as of April 1, 2007]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 27CFR478.31]

[Page 33]

TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS

CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 478_COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION--Table of Contents

Subpart C_Administrative and Miscellaneous Provisions

Sec. 478.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier.

(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to
any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in
interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,
any package or other container in which there is any firearm or
ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or
ammunition is being transported or shipped: Provided, That any passenger
who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported
aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in
interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition
into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such
common or contract carrier for the duration of that trip without
violating any provision of this part.
(b) No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label,
tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package,
luggage, or other container indicating that such package, luggage, or
other container contains a firearm.
(c) No common or contract carrier shall transport or deliver in
interstate or foreign commerce any firearm or ammunition with knowledge
or reasonable cause to believe that the shipment, transportation, or
receipt thereof would be in violation of any provision of this part:
Provided, however, That the provisions of this paragraph shall not apply
in respect to the transportation of firearms or ammunition in in-bond
shipment under Customs laws and regulations.
(d) No common or contract carrier shall knowingly deliver in
interstate or foreign commerce any firearm without obtaining written
acknowledgement of receipt from the recipient of the package or other
container in which there is a firearm: Provided, That this paragraph
shall not apply with respect to the return of a firearm to a passenger
who places firearms in the carrier's custody for the duration of the
trip.

[33 FR 18555, Dec. 14, 1968. Redesignated at 40 FR 16385, Apr. 15, 1975,
and amended by T.D. ATF-354, 59 FR 7112, Feb. 14, 1994; T.D. ATF-361, 60
FR 10786, Feb. 27, 1995]

Notice section (d)?

The shipper has a policy that they must be notified so they can comply with section (d).
While they cannot then be prosecuted ("No common or contract carrier shall knowingly deliver...") you would be SOL for inducing them to break the law.

Let alone trying to make an insurance claim after failing to notify them.

 

[Bobarino]

Well, if your package gets lost and they refuse to pay the insurance because you didn't tell them it was a gun, you might care.

BINGO! like Guapo, i own an independent mailing and shipping center. if you do that at my store, and your gun gets lost, damaged, whatever, i won't even file the claim paperwork for you. if you want anything insured for more than $100, it gets declared or it doesn't get insured. i've had too many people try to rip me and UPS off with this type of thing. not to mention that when you play your little game at the UPS store or any other Authorized Shipping Outlet, that should something happen to your gun and you file a claim, and UPS discovers that an ASO shipped a gun, they can have their UPS account suspended or revoked for violating UPS's policy, thus putting them out of business. there's more at stake for many other people than just you being inconvenienced by a drive to the local UPS hub.

i'll very happily package anyone's firearm, give them directions and even print them out a map to the local hub, but your 15 minute drive isn't worth me losing my biggest source of income.

Bobby

 

[Car Knocker]

Notice section (d)?

The shipper has a policy that they must be notified so they can comply with section (d).
While they cannot then be prosecuted ("No common or contract carrier shall knowingly deliver...") you would be SOL for inducing them to break the law.

Let alone trying to make an insurance claim after failing to notify them.

All that's required to meet the requirements of Section (d) is a request by the shipper for an adult signature upon delivery. Section (a) clearly states the notification exception for delivery to licensees:

(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to
any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in
interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,
any package or other container in which there is any firearm or
ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or
ammunition is being transported or shipped: Provided, That any passenger
who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported
aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in
interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition
into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such
common or contract carrier for the duration of that trip without
violating any provision of this part.

The requirements of 18 USC 922 (e) are also met.

 

[erictank]

Quote: "Long guns can go through the regular old post office."

Brickeyee, they CAN, legally speaking, but the postal clerks still might give you the hairy eyeball. I returned a Springfield M1A to the factory for some warranty sight work (new just out of the box from the gun show, and the sights just wouldn't hold no matter what) a while back. Rifle was unloaded, no magazines included, and I did something or other to disable it but I'll be darned if I can remember what it was now. Packed securely in a non-descript box prior to entering the local post office, declared and insured (on paper) properly, and I took it up to the desk. When I told the clerk what I was shipping and started to lay the box and paperwork on the desk (including copies of the applicable laws on shipping firearms), the clerk recoiled so fast I thought he was going to get whiplash, and said, "Oh, I wish you hadn't told me that." He had to get his supervisor to approve it, and it took about 20 minutes for them to decide that, yes, the law did in fact permit a private citizen to ship a disabled unloaded rifle via USPS direct to the manufacturer for repair.

Took Springfield a while to get new sights installed and the rifle back to me (via UPS, and I had to pick it up at the regional center, of course), but it ran like a champ after that.

 

[sonyhoppes]

Well, if your package gets lost and they refuse to pay the insurance because you didn't tell them it was a gun, you might care.

Um, what part didn't you understand about me labeling the contents as MACHINE PARTS?

And I DID have something firearm (slide for refinishing) related that got lost, which quickly became "bits for my lathe". Got the insurance which was more than the cost of replacement, too.

And THIS has me covered anyway. Why tell them so they can freak out and deny shipment?

(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to
any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in
interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,
any package or other container in which there is any firearm or
ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or
ammunition is being transported or shipped

 

[Brad Johnson]

I don't check unless there is a problem.

When dealing with firearms you can't afford to wait until there is a problem.

Brad

 

[98C5]

I use a shipping store where I am at. He just inspects the pistol, I pack it in front of him, give him the destination FFL and we're done. He asks if I want to use FedEx or UPS. Doesn't matter to me, the next day air charges run about $60 for both. I would NEVER think about shipping a pistol without them knowing. To me that is just crazy.

 

[Guapo]

And I DID have something firearm (slide for refinishing) related that got lost, which quickly became "bits for my lathe". Got the insurance which was more than the cost of replacement, too.

Ah yes. Nothing like a little insurance fraud to brighten one's day.

Why tell them so they can freak out and deny shipment?

So they can be within the rules that they have agreed to go by as a part of their business. Chances are the store owner is just an average joe trying to make a buck, and you're putting his business and livelyhood at risk. Not very "High Road".

By the way, if someone claims they are shipping "machine parts" with me, that package is going to be opened. If you're going to BS me, then I don't want your business.

 

[Bubbles]

sonyhoppes wrote:

Car Knocker, thanks. I knew I wasn't doing anything wrong. Besides, I'm sending them to a manufacturer and not a licensee.

A manufacturer is a licensee, usually 07 FFL.

 

[ryanl]

I got turned away from a UPS store for trying to ship a rifle scope. Talked to the management and everything to no avail. But the girl behind the counter packed it up for me at no charge, and I walked across the street to the post office and sent it on its way. Imagine That.

 

[brickeyee]

And unless you tell them the contents they are NOT on notice that a signature is required.

They have established company policy and terms of carriage that reflect this.

Or you can act as above and commit insurance fraud if you need to make a claim.

I do not like the shipping rules either.
It is expensive.
If you get an FFL to ship for you they can use USPS at much lower cost.

When I ship handguns I usually use a 'book box' (1.5 cubic feet) and then declare.
This box is large enough that it cannot be easily concealed and removed from the shipping company.

Enticing a shipping company to violate federal law is not high on my list of things to participate in, let alone violating the contract with them for shipping.

 

[Guapo]

I got turned away from a UPS store for trying to ship a rifle scope.

That was simply some people either being overly cautious or not understanding the carrier's rules. There's no reason they cannot ship a scope.

 

[Hiaboo]

UPS stinks, use FEDEX.

 

[asknight]

There's no reason they cannot ship a scope.

Yes there is. Mailboxes, Etc, which owns the UPS Store chain, sets the rules that they will not permit any firearm, firearm part, or firearm related item to be shipped via the UPS Store.