US Army Future Handgun System
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KriegHund
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What is it?
Kinda looked like a USP to me, but i suck with ID handguns.
Kinda looked like a USP to me, but i suck with ID handguns.
max popenker
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For me it looks exacly like HK USP-45 Tactical with modified (Mil-Std 1913) rail
see: http://www.hkdefense.us/pages/military-le/handguns/usptactical.html
AhmuqGB
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I gotta call BS on this one, The Army would not stipulate the threaded barrel for general issue. Army machine gunners and officers do not need suppressed pistols. I agree with JDberger, the system req's do look like what SOCOM was after a few years back but so far as I know not even the SEALs use their USPs much anymore.
Langenator
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Other features you forgot to mention:
-positive manual safety (rules out Sigs and Glocks)
-hammer (again, rules out Glocks)
-decocking ability on the hammer
All of which leads me to think it'll be the HK USP
-positive manual safety (rules out Sigs and Glocks)
-hammer (again, rules out Glocks)
-decocking ability on the hammer
All of which leads me to think it'll be the HK USP
another thing that makes me want to call BS...when exactly did the KGB go away? It is FSB now. What year did the old SovUnion implode?
The USSR dissolved in 1991. The USP appeared in 1993. The request for a replacement for the 1911a1 also went out in 1991 and it was adopted in 1993.
So the question is...does max popenker know what decade it is? Why would the Army start thinking about adopting a new pistol 16 years in advance?
The USSR dissolved in 1991. The USP appeared in 1993. The request for a replacement for the 1911a1 also went out in 1991 and it was adopted in 1993.
So the question is...does max popenker know what decade it is? Why would the Army start thinking about adopting a new pistol 16 years in advance?
patentnonsense
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Can't Russians make jokes too??
KriegHund
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Dude, i think it was a joke :/
Max Popenker has a very good firearms website, so i dont think he was serious, eith that or its not really Max Popenker?. Sry if you were making a joke too!
Max Popenker has a very good firearms website, so i dont think he was serious, eith that or its not really Max Popenker?. Sry if you were making a joke too!
max popenker
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KriegHund & jdberger, are you kidding? Or you cannot see the smiles in the original post?
Or, do you really, i mean REALLY think that someone doing real espionage will ever confirm that to public?
And, teaching the history of USSR and Russia from USA to someone who lived there for 32 years... well, maybe i'll hear something interesting. Or at least amusing.
As for calling the FHS BS.. check this link: http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2005smallarms/wednesday/clarke.pdf (Attention - this is a 20Mb file!). then say your 'BS' thing to US Army.
Or, do you really, i mean REALLY think that someone doing real espionage will ever confirm that to public?
And, teaching the history of USSR and Russia from USA to someone who lived there for 32 years... well, maybe i'll hear something interesting. Or at least amusing.
As for calling the FHS BS.. check this link: http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2005smallarms/wednesday/clarke.pdf (Attention - this is a 20Mb file!). then say your 'BS' thing to US Army.
Waitone
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Wouldn't be first time fed.gov wrote a spec around an existing product then went out for proposals and bids.
Heckler and Koch USP Tactical in .40 S&W
Soldiers will need the threaded barrel to attach the adapter for the tactical illumination lazer, the point shoot passive infrared lazer, the lazer rangefinder, the dot optic sight and the 60,000 candlepower illumination device,,,,,,,,
Soldiers will need the threaded barrel to attach the adapter for the tactical illumination lazer, the point shoot passive infrared lazer, the lazer rangefinder, the dot optic sight and the 60,000 candlepower illumination device,,,,,,,,
Powderman
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Looks like someone greased the rails to ensure the adaptation of the HK pistol.
Now, I DO like HK's--as a matter of fact, I personally think that the HK USP pistol is the sweetest shooting .40 in existence.
But I really like how someone in the Pentagon is determined to cram HK down our throats.
Wonder why?
Now, I DO like HK's--as a matter of fact, I personally think that the HK USP pistol is the sweetest shooting .40 in existence.
But I really like how someone in the Pentagon is determined to cram HK down our throats.
Wonder why?
No_Brakes23
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Maybe they are finally tired of cramming FN down our throats?
I think having a threaded barrel for a suppressor makes at least some sense.
To most of us peasants, suppressors are extremely expensive toys that usually aren't worth the hassle of getting. But Uncle Sam can buy as much NFA junk as he wants. All suppressors really are is a piece of pipe with some baffles in them. Set up some MIM or whatever facilities to mass-produce the baffles, and a big manufacturer could sell them for $20 each.
And the slight increase in cost having the barrels threaded (maybe $5 extra per unit? This is a military contract, after all) would not outweigh the cost savings of needing to manage threaded and unthreaded pistols.
Plus special ops and whatever could use the standard-issue pistol, even if they need suppressors.
To most of us peasants, suppressors are extremely expensive toys that usually aren't worth the hassle of getting. But Uncle Sam can buy as much NFA junk as he wants. All suppressors really are is a piece of pipe with some baffles in them. Set up some MIM or whatever facilities to mass-produce the baffles, and a big manufacturer could sell them for $20 each.
And the slight increase in cost having the barrels threaded (maybe $5 extra per unit? This is a military contract, after all) would not outweigh the cost savings of needing to manage threaded and unthreaded pistols.
Plus special ops and whatever could use the standard-issue pistol, even if they need suppressors.
Krag
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It would be a shame to give up a good handling pistol like the M9. Just what we need, a handgun that feels like a section of 2x4 in your hand, is overly large and has poorly placed controls. Caliber be damned. 
My brother is carrying an M9 over there now. The ammunition restrictions are junk. The issue magazines are junk. The pistol is fine. He replaced all of his mag springs and his functions 100% now, but he said he would like something beside 9mm NATO ball.
Krag
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Matt - no I've have not used one in combat. But a number of my friends have carried them in country and, FWIW, I have only heard them say positive things about them.
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Is the hammer internal then?
Also, isn't .40 a bad calibre to choose? I understood that it has poor armor penetration capabilities.
Also, isn't .40 a bad calibre to choose? I understood that it has poor armor penetration capabilities.
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