US born Islamic terrorist urges purchase of local firearms to commit mass murder

[withdrawn34]

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is on a three (or five) letter agency's payroll.

But yes, the question has been long overdue. How long will it be until any terrorist drives into a festival crowd with a HD pickup and kills a bunch of people? That's the price we pay though for being allowed to own cars. There really is nothing to do about it. Other than to infringe on everyone's rights because of what someone might do, of course.

Fixed it for you

 

[Zoogster]

MachIVshooter said:

Personally, I'd much rather they come at us head-on with guns than with cars in underground parking structures loaded with explosives. At least then we can see the threat and have some chance of dealing with it.

This is something many fail to understand. When guns are a simple avenue it is a chosen avenue more often.
The Mumbai attacks show how effective a coordinated small arms terrorist attack can be. They had firearms and grenades and managed to have their way with a city for way too long. But they were also not in a well armed society.
Of course how armed the society is only matters if the small armed percent get involved. If the armed citizens run away or hide then the attackers face limited resistance and still inflict the damage they wanted before the authorities finally respond and kill them.



But you can fight armed attackers. There is other types of attackers you get less say with.
For example even after all the invasive security upgrades at airports, and loss of freedoms they are still vulnerable.
I thought one of the best examples of how when freedom is taken it will not be returned is in the banning of knives (even though since cockpit doors they were declared to pose no threat to pilots or the aircraft, it was the flight attendants union that fought to keep them banned.)

Here is an idea I thought of as a vulnerability back in 2001 after 9/11 as a way a suicidal nut could defeat the screening, but chose to keep quiet on so as not to give any ideas to radicals, but which they have finally figured out themselves:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ss_terror_doc_eyes_sewing_bombs_in_thugs.html

Jihadis bent on concocting a "new kind of terrorism" are brainstorming how to surgically implant explosives to make undetectable Frankenbombers.

Stitching a bomb into the abdominal cavity made of plastic or liquid explosives - such as semtex or PETN - was judged the best method.

Some of the top leaders of 'Al Qaeda' are doctors and surgeons. In fact the number 2 guy when Bin Laden was alive and long considered the actual brains of the outfit is a surgeon himself from Egypt with a medical education.

A guy not planning to live more than a couple days doesn't even need a stomach, and a doctor could remove it, replacing the empty area with any device before sewing the person back up. Removal of the stomach is done all the time in gastrectomy for the obese. They could even train by getting fat to create more room.
Any bomber could have a timed device and get on a long flight. Or a device intended to be communicated via bluetooth from a cell phone. Or even a simple device with no circuitry and minimal metal to be detected with a switch intended to be toggled through the stomach wall and skin.
Internal explosives of someone that was well washed would not be detected by the bomb sniffers.
Numerous people already have metal screws, bolts, plates, pins, wires, and other things in their bodies from repaired injuries, so its also not uncommon for people to set off detectors and be wanded and then allowed to proceed even if they trigger the detectors, and such a device could contain less metal than your typical surgical screw.
It is only a matter of time before such people take down some aircraft or hit other sensitive targets.
As the Lockerbie bombing demonstrates it really doesn't take much explosive to bring down an entire jet filled with passengers.


So yeah having such guys grab guns and try to take us on is certainly one of the better scenarios of attack to defeat.

 

[Nushif]

I guess most people don't get down to the last bit of my post. If I recall right I insinuated exactly that.
"What is there to do other than infringing on everyone's rights because of what people might do ..."
SHOULD explain my view on this pretty well, but feel free to discontinue using the last sentence.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Last gunshow I went to I saw a few full autos including a M60 but I don't think that giving the man in the suit behind the table the special wink will make him sell it to me right then and minus the $30,000 price tag.

 

[LukeTheDrifter]

This was probably planted, IMHO. I despise fear-mongering. The only ones hurt by this crap are US citizens that believe in our right to bear arms and defend ourselves and our loved ones. Just arrest that little a**hole and string him up, for all I care.

Everytime I see stuff like this, or someone talks about extremely common ammo running out, or all guns being banned... All I see is someone looking to drive up prices, increase sales, or add paperwork to legal purchases of firearms. Yeah, it ticks me off.

 

[crossrhodes]

I got a solution

Let's make roads and motor vehicles illegal and then we won't have to worry about road side bombs when they run out of guns. LOL

 

[merlinfire]

Hadji has got some of his facts wrong. If anything, this tells us more of us should CCW though.

 

[merlinfire]

Jimmy Carter destroyed our covert international reprisal capability. We need to resurrect that and take the offensive against these people.

Eh? I'm pretty sure that we've been able to take people out all over the global at will for decades, all we need is the intel. See: Bin Laden

 

[harrygunner]

Purposely crafted wording.

Chicago and New York gangsters, Al Qaeda terrorists and the Brady Bunch all want us disarmed.

The anti-gunners will play into their hands.

 

[retiredman]

Yup went to the gun show today in California, and got 200 full autos for $50 no id check either. Not to forget got 5000 rounds of ammo extra at no charge.

They even through in a Bridge that goes across San Fransico for an extra $5

So when are people going to quit posting all this B. S.

Sheesh!

 

[crossrhodes]

All havoc will break lose

Now. Just think what would happen if they attacked a mall or some mom & pop shop in the name of jihad and against the Christian capitalist pig dogs. I bet you would have Bubba and every other pro American group taking down masques and the National Guard would have to be called in to protect them.
I also think it would turn in to some bloody witch hunting and lawless justice.
I don't think it would be in their best interest or a wise choice on their behalf.

 

[Zoogster]

Yup went to the gun show today in California, and got 200 full autos for $50 no id check either. Not to forget got 5000 rounds of ammo extra at no charge.

They even through in a Bridge that goes across San Fransico for an extra $5

I know your point, but cost is not really an important factor in deterring suicidal maniacs in our society. $5 or $20,000 does not make a big difference.

A nut can max out credit cards or take out loans, never concerned with paying them back because they don't plan to be alive long.
In our country someone with no concern with paying anything back or medium and long term financial consequences can really build a nice mountain of debt to fund many things that someone who plans to be around a year later could never afford.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Rebuttal

Oh, darn.

I missed this thread earlier.

Wife posted a rebuttal to the "machine guns for nuthin', chicks for free" assertion.

Yeah, I also wondered about whether his claims were simply uber-ignorant, or salted by collaboration with the Brady Disinformation Campaign.

 

[MistWolf]

There's two issues here.

One is the automatic weapons at gun shows which we all know is BS. But, he obviously gets his info from the mainstream media which constantly repeats that lie.

The other issue is entirely possible and long overdue. How long until some terrorist (or a small group of terrorists) walks into a crowded Christmas time mall with semi-auto AK's or AR's and starts shooting people? It would be a bloodbath. The police would just cordon off the area and wait for tactical units. In many states there are no CCW carriers, so the only opposition would be a few security guards who may or may not be armed.

Police no longer cordon off and wait for SWAT when dealing with active shooters. Columbine has taught them they must respond to active shooters now and that change in policy has been the driving force behind officers being allowed patrol carbines.

This whole thing is a propaganda stunt. If it gets idiots into thinking they can take up arms against the population inside our borders and gets the sheeple to bleating about stricter laws, all the better. It's best to stay alert, prepare for the worse, hope for the best and go about your business calmly

 

[Ole Coot]

We are un-American in these parts, we profile. I don't think fully auto firearms can be purchased at any gun show. Mostly the guns that change hands in this area are private sales and trades with people we know. The folks in this area of the country are reasonably informed about all types of firearms.

 

[stevelyn]

Don't put it past the enemy camp or the govt to throw this out there as a pretext for gun control legislation.

Remember Obama said he's working under the radar.

 

[Neverwinter]

Now. Just think what would happen if they attacked a mall or some mom & pop shop in the name of jihad and against the Christian capitalist pig dogs. I bet you would have Bubba and every other pro American group taking down masques and the National Guard would have to be called in to protect them.
I also think it would turn in to some bloody witch hunting and lawless justice.
I don't think it would be in their best interest or a wise choice on their behalf.

Destroying masques[sic] would not be justice, any more than executing pastors would be justice for abortion killings. You're unknowingly conflating two different populations.

Remember Obama said he's working under the radar.

Actually, Sarah Brady said that Obama said that he's working under the radar. Brady isn't the most truthful or trustworthy of people.

 

[Old krow]

I wonder if this is less an error and actually an intentional misstatement to create controversy within the US.

I tend to think that any group of people who intentionally use weapons and/or explosives to make a political point probably know the difference. It could be that he is mistaken, but I sort of doubt it. I think that it was probably designed more toward causing strife in the US. If you can make some Americans scared enough, they'll give up just about any right.

I don't think it would be in their best interest or a wise choice on their behalf.

They don't actually have to do anything to have an impact. Making just the statement will likely impact us anyway.

Actually, Sarah Brady said that Obama said that he's working under the radar. Brady isn't the most truthful or trustworthy of people.

No matter who said it, the ceased to be "under the radar" as soon as they proclaimed that they were. Sorta makes me wonder what their true intentions were by telling everyone? Maybe the Bradys are mad at Obama for not pushing legislation sooner and that was their way of making their point. Or, maybe it just wasn't well thought out.

 

[Neverwinter]

No matter who said it, the ceased to be "under the radar" as soon as they proclaimed that they were. Sorta makes me wonder what their true intentions were by telling everyone? Maybe the Bradys are mad at Obama for not pushing legislation sooner and that was their way of making their point. Or, maybe it just wasn't well thought out.

If Sarah Brady said it, it must be true!

 

[Crash_Test_Dhimmi]

Back in the 40's it was Yamamoto who said the invasion of the USA would be fruitless because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

Today in the 2010's it needs to be a 45 on every hip and a carbine in every trunk. And then the islamic fundies will get a history lesson.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Brady And The Truth

(Sounds like the title of a fable.)

Remember Obama said he's working under the radar.

Actually, Sarah Brady said that Obama said that he's working under the radar. Brady isn't the most truthful or trustworthy of people.

No matter who said it, the ceased to be "under the radar" as soon as they proclaimed that they were. Sorta makes me wonder what their true intentions were by telling everyone? Maybe the Bradys are mad at Obama for not pushing legislation sooner and that was their way of making their point. Or, maybe it just wasn't well thought out.

If Sarah Brady said it, it must be true!

There are times when even pathological liars will cough up the truth.

If your objective is the disarmament of the population so that the ruling class may have unfettered scope of operation, and you're looking for support, and a member of the ruling class affirms your mission, it's entirely possible that you'll utter that truth in the ear of the faithful to encourage them to hold the line and fork over funds.

I don't have any trouble at all believing her in this instance.

Until and unless the White House disavows it, I'm quite happy to let it stand.

And even then, I'm not sure which liar I'd be more inclined to believe.

 

[Neverwinter]

It's also entirely possible that you'll utter lies in the ears of the faithful to encourage them to hold the line and fork over funds.

Doubly so if actions to refute such a lie can only rile the conspiracy theorist base into a frenzy about the double-secret conspiracy to disarm the American people with the cooperation of terrorists. Not to mention the diversion from real issues that would be a result of focusing attention on it.

Your last sentence illustrates the futility of an attempt to prove the non-occurrence of that conversation.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Maybe he's actually trying to get them caught. Hopefully a bunch of them will try this. They can think about what went wrong as they rot in club fed.

 

[SFsc616171]

This sounds like an opportunity to canvas the area for future potential CCW'ers. (The Sheepdog Principle.)
Second, if you are not a CCW'er, this might be the reason you need, to protect your family from these poor misdirected fools.
Some folks just don't get it. You cannot reason with them. You and I are Americans, and we deserve to die, as they see it. It doesn't matter how good a person you are, what status you have or not in the community, what religious belief or disbelief you possess, you are an American, and that is enough for these guys/gals. This is a war they declared, with the first bombing of the Twin Trade Towers in 1993. The Thais were fighting these guys on their southern border, while fighting the Communists on their northern border, in 1972. Think about that, for a moment. Our G.I.'s tangled with both sides. I will NOT 'surrender'.

 

[shootingthebreeze]

What I believe is this: don't fall for that ploy. Terrorists can get a boat load of weapons, full auto, explosives, grenades, you name it-so they don't need gun shows to acquire firearms.
It's a ploy to activate anti gun people into an anti gun frenzy in the hope to disarm law abiding Americans. Anti gun people fail to realize that terrorists can acquire weapons way more powerful than handguns, shotguns and rifles. Fifty pounds of explosives smuggled into the US trumps a lot of handguns.
I would not be surprised if terrorist cells have already weapons stock piled here in the US, and I'm not talking about firearms bought at a gun show. I'm talking about full auto AK 47s and other full auto weapons including explosives.
Think this one through and you will realize how absurd this call to arms really is.