USA Today Editorial on 2nd Amendment

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A liberal's lament: The NRA might be right after all
By Jonathan Turley

This term, the Supreme Court may finally take up the Voldemort Amendment, the part of the Bill of Rights that shall not be named by liberals. For more than 200 years, progressives and polite people have avoided acknowledging that following the rights of free speech, free exercise of religion and free assembly, there is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." Of course, the very idea of finding a new individual right after more than two centuries is like discovering an eighth continent in constitutional law, but it is hardly the cause of celebration among civil liberties groups.

Like many academics, I was happy to blissfully ignore the Second Amendment. It did not fit neatly into my socially liberal agenda. Yet, two related cases could now force liberals into a crisis of conscience. The Supreme Court is expected to accept review of District of Columbia v. Heller and Parker v. District of Columbia, involving constitutional challenges to the gun-control laws in Washington.

The D.C. law effectively bars the ownership of handguns for most citizens and places restrictions on other firearms. The District's decision to file these appeals after losing in the D.C. appellate court was driven more by political than legal priorities. By taking the appeal, D.C. politicians have put gun-control laws across the country at risk with a court more likely to uphold the rulings than to reverse them. It has also put the rest of us in the uncomfortable position of giving the right to gun ownership the same fair reading as more favored rights of free press or free speech.

The Framers' intent

Principle is a terrible thing, because it demands not what is convenient but what is right. It is hard to read the Second Amendment and not honestly conclude that the Framers intended gun ownership to be an individual right. It is true that the amendment begins with a reference to militias: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Accordingly, it is argued, this amendment protects the right of the militia to bear arms, not the individual.

Yet, if true, the Second Amendment would be effectively declared a defunct provision. The National Guard is not a true militia in the sense of the Second Amendment and, since the District and others believe governments can ban guns entirely, the Second Amendment would be read out of existence.

Another individual right

More important, the mere reference to a purpose of the Second Amendment does not alter the fact that an individual right is created. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is stated in the same way as the right to free speech or free press. The statement of a purpose was intended to reaffirm the power of the states and the people against the central government. At the time, many feared the federal government and its national army. Gun ownership was viewed as a deterrent against abuse by the government, which would be less likely to mess with a well-armed populace.

Considering the Framers and their own traditions of hunting and self-defense, it is clear that they would have viewed such ownership as an individual right — consistent with the plain meaning of the amendment.

None of this is easy for someone raised to believe that the Second Amendment was the dividing line between the enlightenment and the dark ages of American culture. Yet, it is time to honestly reconsider this amendment and admit that ... here's the really hard part ... the NRA may have been right. This does not mean that Charlton Heston is the new Rosa Parks or that no restrictions can be placed on gun ownership. But it does appear that gun ownership was made a protected right by the Framers and, while we might not celebrate it, it is time that we recognize it.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University and a member of USA TODAY's board of contributors.
 
More important, the mere reference to a purpose of the Second Amendment does not alter the fact that an individual right is created
More important yet is that the 2A did not create the right, acknowledged an existing right.
 
perhaps not the most perfect article we could ask for, but in this day and age I would still consider it pure gold for the side of gun rights.
 
None of this is easy for someone raised to believe that the Second Amendment was the dividing line between the enlightenment and the dark ages of American culture.

That's funny.

I concluded that 2A was the dividing line between enlightenment and the dark ages as well.

Kinda interesting how that polarity reversal keeps appearing, isn't it?
 
Very happy to see that article, indeed.

I particularly like the way the author points out the "politics" involved here. Strip all that crap away, and all you're left with is that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Bravo.
 
This does not mean that Charlton Heston is the new Rosa Parks

Had to slam old Chuck and help further twist the popular memory to further label him some old' cracker instead of who he is; someone who championed civil rights and marched on Washington with Dr. King.

And ohhh did it hurt, the NRA might be right. Aww schucks, looks like a double-white wine spritzer at lunch today just to make it through with such grim epiphanies being in evidence.
 
I for one, would prefer the court not take the case. Mr Kennedy is a switch hitter I believe.
 
Like many academics, I was happy to blissfully ignore the Second Amendment. It did not fit neatly into my socially liberal agenda.

If Liberals got their way at the ballot box every time and got what they voted for, it would only be a generation before they wished that they had the 2nd amendment that they ignored.
 
This editorial is just the latest in a 20-year string of liberals and Constitutional scholars changing their minds on the Second Amend. Levinson's law school piece more than a decade ago was the pivotal point, I think. When Lawrence Tribe updated his text on the Constitution and changed his view to an individual right, it shoot the foundation of that area of study.

How did this happen? A few very smart and very far-thinking Second Amendment supporters began two decades ago to fund and otherwise support legal scholarship on the 2A.

What is happening now could never have happened if they had not done this in the 80's.

The same is true of our most recent string of victories (over the last few years). The NSSF pushed the Project Homesafe and Project Childsafe, to the cries of many of the "I'm more pure than anyone" gun rights activists. Vision, and understanding how things work rather than how you want them to work, made it possible for the firearms industry to secure the image of those who actually DO something about children and guns. Once that happened, things changed in Congress, and "our side" got a seat at the table when decisions were being made.

Sure, you fight the current legislative battle, but that's just keeping them from scaling the walls of the castle.

You also need to work long term, and a big part of that right now is changing the culture -- changing the way guns and gun owners are viewed by the public.

When gun rights activists say "Why should we care what they think of us?" they show a dangerous lack of understanding of how things work.

Fortunately, there are some smart and far-looking people working on that right now. In 10 or 20 years, I think we'll look back and marvel at even more advances which have been made, and we'll appreciate those who work working on it way back in 2007.
 
Levinson's article was in 1989. Sanford Levinson, The Embarrassing Second Amendment, 99 YALE L.J. 637 (1989).

Kates, Hardy and Halbrook lead the way.:)

As to gun restrictions, Mr. Turley, re-read the Miller decision. The standard for review as the Second Amendment is absolute scrutiny. The Miller test examines a weapon. If that weapon can be used in the military, then any governmental restrictions are void.
 
>>Kates, Hardy and Halbrook lead the way.<<

Absolutely!

Eighty years ago the First Amendment was weak, and did not have the backing and strong judicial support it now enjoys. That change happened over several decades.

Some Constitutional Scholars say the Second Amendment is going through a similar change, and that it is growing in respect and strength.

What's interesting is to watch the mainstream media staying so far behind on this.
 
glink said:
I for one, would prefer the court not take the case. Mr Kennedy is a switch hitter I believe.
I don’t know why people keep saying things like this. What does it matter? Even if the SC was completely liberal, the amendment means what it means. If the writer of this article, an admitted liberal and unfriendly to firearms ownership, can, with a little unbiased reasoning and study, suddenly ‘get it’ about what the second amendment means, why should we worry about a group of learned and prestigious judges? Regardless of their political bend, the meaning is too obvious for them to rule it anything other than an individual right.

Am I being to idealistic?
 
Am I being to idealistic?

Yes.

We've seen several rulings from the current court that do not set well with most people "Kelo" being one of the most hienous. we have also seen at least one Justice cite foreign/international law as part of the basis of opinion. So, regardless of what we as reasonable people see as reality wht the court will do is still anybodies guess.
 
Don't rely on logic to rule any decision on the 2nd amendment. Politicians and don't think the justices of the SC are above being politicians, decide things in a total absence of logic. They make up their minds and then create arguments to support their positions. I feel unsure about what will come from this SC decision and will relax only when they come down in full support of the second amendment.
 
I believe Turley has stated he was a a left leaning Libertarian. If this is true than it is hardly shocking he would come to this conclusion. Even though he might not be exactly pro-gun he does understand the intent of constitution. But he does makes some typical left wing comments about the NRA and Heston. Which is not surprising today.
Also when will people make the connection that articles written in the opinion section of a paper are not part of a papers editorial. The editorial is written by the editors of the paper. An opinion piece is written by a professional writer who submits his work to the paper for publishing. It is nothing more than a glorified "letter to the editor".
 
Nice to read this I had known of Mr Turley before this and I would consider hiring him if I ever get into trouble (not that I will though) he has gone against the government and won in a few cases.
 
If Liberals got their way at the ballot box every time and got what they voted for, it would only be a generation before they wished that they had the 2nd amendment that they ignored.
Honestly I believe that Bush Hatred has pushed a LOT of liberals, "Progressives" and Democrats into the pro gun camp.

I think that's half the reason we see so many "pro-gun liberals" showing up in these forums lately (the other half of the reason is that we have a lot of antis coming here pretending to be pro gun liberals in order to monkeywrench).

I guess I can't complain about how they saw the light ... I should just be happy they have seen the light (although I suspect as soon as a Democrat lands in the White House most of these new "pro gun liberals" will go back to being anti gun).
 
When the USSC can "inteperate" the phrase "for public use" to mean "for private use".. and that "interstate commerce" includes non-commerce that resides solely within a state.. beware thinking they could not do something similar again.
 
It's funny. I read your posts in all the different threads and I yawn a lot and I mutter, "Yeah, uh huh" to myself.

It's almost boring seeing gun-owners tell other gun owners that they want to own guns.

But when a gun-HATER actually makes the argument on our behalf, it really gives you a whole new perspective. Of course WE are going to agree with each other, you don't even have to make an argument, generally something like, "Because I want to" will convince most of us that gun ownership is just and right and good.

When you manage to convince the opposing side, though, then you have really made an argument.
 
Turley is a very smart constitutional scholar.
For him to write this almost puts the SCOTUS opinion on a wall.
He's almost telling DC to pack it up.

AFS
 
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