Used Gun for Same Price - Ruger GP100 vs. S&W 19-4

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If you could get either a used 19-4 or used GP100 (not sure of age, but looks pretty new) for the same price, what would you pick?

To me the better 'value' seems like it would be the S&W. Other than that, does it just become a matter of what gun is preferred? Have there been any problems with second hand owners of either manufacturer getting warranty work? (I've heard great things about S&W, but know nothing about Ruger).
 
I admit to prejudice, but unless there is something wrong with it, I would go with the S&W. From a purely practical viewpoint, both would be fine, but I prefer the feel and handling of the S&W over the Ruger.

Jim
 
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If it is a good price get both. I agree with above, the Smith. My reasoning is that the Smith will have better resale value at least around here. There is nothing wrong with the Ruger but if the same money and condition take the Smith.
 
I should have added that these are both 6" models, and are priced at $379. To me that's a good deal on the S&W, and probably an OK deal on the Ruger.

I checked the Ruger site, and it shows that the GP100 should be about 44 ounces in weight. Does anybody know what the S&W would be?
 
The 19 is a classic - if it is tight, buy it. Nothing against the GP-100, but they are a dime a dozen. You can't beat a 19 - the classic K frame.
 
Give me an address and I'll send you the dime. I'll be anxiously awaiting the arrival of the dozen GP100's! :)

19 vs GP? How are you going to use it? Does stainless have an advantage? Will you be shooting a lot of maximum loads? If so, the 19 is not designed for a constant diet of hot loads, but the GP will eat them up. If you are just target shooting with moderate loads, the 19's probably a better buy.

Ken
 
There won't be any more Mdl 19's. Unless you are going bear hunting, I would get the Smith.
 
I like my GP100s, but like others have said, The M19 is no longer in production and the value will likely increase over time. You can always find a good deal on a used GP later. I used to have a M19-4 with a 4" barrel. The only reason I don't completely regret getting rid of it is because, I gave to my niece. If the Smith is in good condition, don't pass it up. BTW, the 19-4 was the last revision to be pinned and recessed, which makes it a little more desirable.
 
This is one of those times when, twenty years from now, you'll get to tell people that you had the chance to buy these pistols for $379 each. I guarantee you'll be telling people, "I should've bought them both". Not that I think you should buy them both (only you can decide that), but you'll wish you did in 20 years.

-John
 
Ohiopaints. The point you bring up about the S&W model 19 not being able to handle a constant diet of 357 loads is a point that has been brought up many times. Unfortunately, there is no solid proof of that accusation. What few cases people have reported, seem to have been very early models with very hot loads. It appears from all posts, that the "K" frame 357 mags such as the model 13, 19, 65, and 66 can handle any factory load 357 mag ammo longer than you will be around. That is also the position of S&W. The "K" frame revolvers in 357 mag are indeed 357 mag and can shoot all the factory loads you give them.

Every single make and model of every gun in the world has had issues with particular guns having a problem. Just because a few guns had an issue doesn't make the entire make and model of that gun bad. This isn't like the 45 long colt Ruger Blackhawk. Those guns were made specifically to be able to shoot and much hotter than normal 45lc that the colt or other single action revolvers can. There is ammo specifically marked as Ruger Blackhawk Only loads. Now, if people are loading or buying "Hotter" than normal 357 mag loads, then I agree that the "K" frame S&W will probably wear a lot faster than normal. It's also probable that there are a lot of other revolvers such as the GP100 that can handle the "Hotter" than normal loads. That's great. But that doesn't mean that the "K" frame can't shoot factory load SAAMI marked rounds bought in a store. Saying that the "K" frame isn't as good because it can't shoot hotter than normal loads is the same as saying that the Colt 45lc revolvers aren't very good because they can't shoot the "Ruger Blackhawk Only" loads.

Anyway, I've asked S&W, I've asked numerous gun smiths, I've asked plenty of owners. Etc... They all say the same thing. The "K" frame was NOT designed to shoot 38 specials as a normal diet of ammo with shooting 357 mag only on occasion. The truth is, until otherwise proven, that the "K" frames are indeed 357 mag revolvers and can shoot all the factory loaded 357 mag ammo and reload ammo that doesn't exceed SAAMI factory load specs, as much as you want for it's entire life. And that the gun won't wear down any faster than normally suspected or anticipated. "Yes, a 357 round will put more wear on ANY revolver than a 38 special". Anyway, it just seems that this has been a perpetuated factless rumor that has be pushed down throughout the years all because of some guns that issues and/or the use of hotter than standard loads.

To answe the original poster; It's a no brainer. Get the Model 19 if all things being equal. I have nothing against the gp100. it's an excellent gun. But, if they are both in the same shape, the same price, etc... then the model 19 is a better deal. It's automatically worth more. The trigger action is better. The gun is much better balanced. (Especially if you use hogue type grips). The list goes on. The gp100 is an excellent gun. The model 19 is a GREAT gun. It is the baseline in which other 357 mag revolvers are measured. It is a classic. Later... Mike....
 
Go with the 19....mine is a -4 also....of course, it is unfired it's going to remain that way...but at 290 bucks, I wasn't leaving the pawn shop without it.

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I just checked the safe and my 19 is a -4. I didn't know about it being the last pinned and recessed version (I also have a 629 pinned and recessed). Well, if $379 is a great price, then I guess I do have a gun that has appreciated in value, LOL.

Ken
 
I have both. Buy the S&W. (Trust me on this one.............)

The trigger on my Ruger is better than that on my Model 19, but I cheat - the GP has had a professional trigger job. In my local area the S&W would cost about $50 more than the Ruger.

Another factor that may not be important to you, but sure is for me, is that Ruger is still cranking out GPs, while the S&W Model 19 was discontinued in 1999. Get the Smith - you can always go back for a Ruger.
 
I just handled a M19 at a local dealer; sure was pretty, but the timing was bad. It was not obvious, but when I put a little drag on the cylinder, the hammer would fall before the bolt entered the notch. I have been on the lookout for a nice M19 for a while, and this condition is all too common. In fact, I have handled seemingly as-new S&W sixguns that had this problem. I am saying this as someone who likes BOTH the M19 and the GP100: read the sticky post here on THR, and learn how to see if a used sixgun is functional. Perhaps I should add that I have handled quite a few pre-owned Ruger double-action sixguns, GP100, Speed Six, Security Six, and Service Six, and none have had timing problems. Remember, I like BOTH the M19 and the GP100; check these sixguns carefully, then see if you still need help making the decision. If both are truly good, get the M19, as good pre-owned Rugers are not uncommon. Or get both.
 
I own many Ruger firearms. I am a stockholder of Ruger. Buy the Smith.

The GP100 may, in fact, be a more reliable, durable, stronger revolver. The Model 19 will "feel" better and have better availability of grips, tune-up parts and gunsmith services. You can have more fun with it when you begin to explore improvements.

I started on small-bore wheelguns with a Ruger Security-Six. It always worked and was accurate. I sold it after purchasing a Model 66-6, the Model 19's stainless clone. ;)
 
A quick update to this, as I'm the original poster......

I ended up buying the 6" S&W 19-4 today. The Ruger had been sold a day or so after my post, though even if there, I would of went with the S&W. An added dilemma was a 686 6" that they had, but that was $479 (I think), and in the end I went with the more classier (in my eyes) 19-4.

The actual price was $369, which to me seemed like a good deal. Sure, it's not a 99% gun or anything like that (a turn line, rubber grips), but if it's a good shooter, I'll be darn happy.

And yes, once I get pictures, I'll throw them on here.
 
Can't wait to see photos. Every revolver has a turn line, and it is more noticeable on a blue gun. Should be a great shooter. How is the action?
 
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