RON in PA
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I stopped shooting my DA/SA revolvers SA years ago. The result, my DA accuracy approaches SA accuracy. If you can't shoot a S&W revolver well in DA you haven't practiced enough.
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Guillermo
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Mr Boreland,
Old Fuff and I have conversed alot and I seriously doubt that he feels that he has been disrespected. In the past I have hailed him as a the final word on anything revolver. In other words, he knows that I respect him a great deal. I am sorry that the teasing nature that I intended did not go convey to others reading the thread.
As to the subject at hand, I can imagine a scenario where a policeman has a rest, say the hood of a car, and has to take a long shot. I think that making that a more difficult shot is a gigantic mistake.
Old Fuff and I have conversed alot and I seriously doubt that he feels that he has been disrespected. In the past I have hailed him as a the final word on anything revolver. In other words, he knows that I respect him a great deal. I am sorry that the teasing nature that I intended did not go convey to others reading the thread.
As to the subject at hand, I can imagine a scenario where a policeman has a rest, say the hood of a car, and has to take a long shot. I think that making that a more difficult shot is a gigantic mistake.
Landric
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I shoot a lot of IDPA with a revolver in SSR. I'm currently using a S&W 681, a fixed sight .357 L-frame. Mine is DA/SA. However, as is intended by the design, I shoot the huge majority of rounds I fire both in matches and practice DA. Every once in a while I get the idea that a shot is long or a target is so small that I should cock the hammer and fire SA. Without fail that always turns out to be a bad idea. I fire so many rounds DA, that I tend to pull the trigger too hard in SA mode and miss. If I happened to have an L-frame bobbed hammer around, I'd replace my 681 hammer with it. Since I don't, I just have to try and remember not to cock the hammer.
All of my carry revolvers are DAO. I don't much care for exposed hammer spurs, or feel the need to have them. I bought one of the DAO 64s from J&G, and if I can come up with the cash for another while they still have them, I will get another. I really don't see any advantage to SA on a fixed sight .38 Special designed for defense/LE. YMMV.
All of my carry revolvers are DAO. I don't much care for exposed hammer spurs, or feel the need to have them. I bought one of the DAO 64s from J&G, and if I can come up with the cash for another while they still have them, I will get another. I really don't see any advantage to SA on a fixed sight .38 Special designed for defense/LE. YMMV.
sheepdog
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...while I do most of my revolver shooting DA, I agree with Guillermo that the SA option should be there...some shots might require the minute-of-grapefruit accuracy that DA just won't get....i.e. the North Hollywood shootout, where the BG had armor and only a head shot would do...I wouldn't police in a city where they demanded DAO be carried...
Brian Dale
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Yes, and with fixed sights. It's the stainless steel version of the Model 10.John Wayne said:
Darn!!! I have to keep hitting Guillermo upside the head all the time; and the trouble is that his head is so hard it makes dents in my 2 x 4. 
Anyway both of us have a right to an opinion, but the real issue here is, should one buy a revolver that’s already been modified – even though the price is a steal? The answer is, “what do you intend to use it for?” For some purposes a DAO conversion does make a lot of sense, but for others it doesn’t.
Concerning the model 64’s under discussion. They are converted, like it or not. To change that would probably cost $50.00 or more for parts, and maybe some additional for gunsmithing labor. This might, or might not make them more expensive then a similar, but unaltered revolver of the same kind. So each potential buyer has to make their own decision.
The other point I was trying to make is that today many people underestimate how accurate double-action shooting can be. Given Guillermo’s example of a head shot at around 25 to 50 yards using the hood of a car as a rest. I wouldn’t hesitate to make that shot with a DAO 4”/mid-frame/.38 or.357 revolver, and I would probably try it with my Detective Special. Doing it successfully with a J-frame S&W or similar Taurus would require a bit of luck…
But others might not, which explains why people make different choices.
One last point: If one does bob the hammer spur, also convert it to DAO. Yes, I know you can cock the hammer without a spur. The problem is getting it back down again without slipping. One mistake (and I know of several) and you will hear an unintentional BANG!! If I want to keep the single-action mode I’ll also keep the cocking spur. After all there is a reason it’s where it is.
Anyway both of us have a right to an opinion, but the real issue here is, should one buy a revolver that’s already been modified – even though the price is a steal? The answer is, “what do you intend to use it for?” For some purposes a DAO conversion does make a lot of sense, but for others it doesn’t.
Concerning the model 64’s under discussion. They are converted, like it or not. To change that would probably cost $50.00 or more for parts, and maybe some additional for gunsmithing labor. This might, or might not make them more expensive then a similar, but unaltered revolver of the same kind. So each potential buyer has to make their own decision.
The other point I was trying to make is that today many people underestimate how accurate double-action shooting can be. Given Guillermo’s example of a head shot at around 25 to 50 yards using the hood of a car as a rest. I wouldn’t hesitate to make that shot with a DAO 4”/mid-frame/.38 or.357 revolver, and I would probably try it with my Detective Special. Doing it successfully with a J-frame S&W or similar Taurus would require a bit of luck…
But others might not, which explains why people make different choices.
One last point: If one does bob the hammer spur, also convert it to DAO. Yes, I know you can cock the hammer without a spur. The problem is getting it back down again without slipping. One mistake (and I know of several) and you will hear an unintentional BANG!! If I want to keep the single-action mode I’ll also keep the cocking spur. After all there is a reason it’s where it is.
Stainz
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I am always amused at folks and their revolvers at the range - always shooting SA, whether it is DA-capable or not. Invariably, when I offer to let someone 'try' one of my 'new to them' calibers, they will shoot the cylinderful SA - despite my suggestions to try it DA. Oddly, when they do shoot one of mine DA, they are amazed at the accuracy and smoothness. I suggest they try their own in DA - watching them later, they usually go back to SA shooting.
One of the greatest trigger pull evaluations is by loading 4 rounds - leave a couple of empties - and watch how you 'squeeze' that trigger - the empty chambers don't lie! The 10 or 64 and some plinker .38s is a wonderful way to hone one's skills. I am partial to SS - lower/easier maintenance. Everyone needs a 64 (or 10) - and used ones will likely have quite a bit of life left in them.
Stainz
One of the greatest trigger pull evaluations is by loading 4 rounds - leave a couple of empties - and watch how you 'squeeze' that trigger - the empty chambers don't lie! The 10 or 64 and some plinker .38s is a wonderful way to hone one's skills. I am partial to SS - lower/easier maintenance. Everyone needs a 64 (or 10) - and used ones will likely have quite a bit of life left in them.
Stainz
Guillermo
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Old Fuff,
Once again, thank you for being wrong on this issue. I can tear down my Old Fuff alter and snuff out all the candles.
Don't be too upset, the Old Fuff Dashboard Statue was the reason my car didn't pass inspection. Their excuse was something about having another idol before them...the State
Once again, thank you for being wrong on this issue. I can tear down my Old Fuff alter and snuff out all the candles.
Don't be too upset, the Old Fuff Dashboard Statue was the reason my car didn't pass inspection. Their excuse was something about having another idol before them...the State
Stephen A. Camp
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John Wayne: Yes, the Model 64 is built on the K-frame.
Thaddeus Jones: I cannot speak to the current batch J&G may have in but in the past there have been pre-lock Model 64's available. I would call them and for me, the extra charge to pick up a pre-lock would be worth it. I have not done business with these folks in several years but in the past, no problems at all. Friends who have dealt with them more recently had good dealings with them.
Though not (directly, at least) through J&G, I was lucky enough to purchase a couple of Model 64's from a private individual that had been obtained through a similar type sale of used revolvers by a company. I believe that he said that these .38's had been owned by an armored car service or something similar. They were of the NY-1 style. These had a little holster wear but actions were smooth (w/o reducing spring power), no excessive endshake and cylinder lock up was well before the spurless hammer dropped.
This used "security guard gun" has turned out to be a favorite shooter. As might be expected from a security company or police "trade-in guns", it had a ding or two. (I call them "honorable battle scars" and removed most of them with a little time using very fine sandpaper and changing out the rubber stocks for an old set of S&W's that I'd refinished years ago.) This one came in the NY-1 configuration. It will stay as it is.
On the first range session, I fired 6 slow-fire shots at the emblem above the words, "Qualification Targets" using Georgia-Arms 158-gr. LSWC ammunition. 6 rounds were then at the head, also in slow deliberate fire. I don't recall if the torso shots were done at farther distance or just rapid-fire at various distances. The slow-fire shots were done at about 7 yards or so.
I am no match shooter, but this is plenty accurate enough for my "needs".The revolver show here is capable of both DA and SA but was fired double-action.
I was lucky in that in my early years as a police officer, I was trained to shoot the revolver primarily in double-action by officers who were indeed national-level PPC (Practical Police Competition) shooters. Though not all of my revolvers are DAO ala the NY-1 set up, several are...and by choice.
If "Thaddeus Jones" winds up with a DAO spurless revolver, as "Old Fuff" mentions, it will cost about $50.00 or so for a new spur hammer as well as any extra charges should it require the touches of a gunsmith. Mr. Jones would have to decide if it is worth it or not for him...as mentioned by Old Fuff.
The farthest actual gunfight that I am personally aware of in which a revolver was used DAO and to good effect was right at 60 yards. An M1-Carbine wielding felon had already shot one officer and was trying to kill a friend of mine (police officer) with it when it jammed. While being shot at my friend took cover and then popped out to return fire double-action. When the carbine jammed, my buddy (finally) took his time and double-actioned the felon into a state of "permanent rehabilitation" with his sixth and final round via a then-new Super Vel .357 magnum to the center chest. The officer's revolver was an S&W Model 19. It was capable of both DA and SA fire, but he had been trained primarily in double-action shooting.
Though relatively few in number, the only police negligent discharges I was aware of involved their service revolvers being cocked. None involved suspects being covered and only in one instance was the officer injured. It is my understanding that in NYC (and other places), there definitely were other folks shot, lawsuits filed and DAO-revolvers, the result.
For right at 4 decades now, I have been seeking the perfect handgun, caliber and so forth; I cannot find it. The DAO set-up has much to recommend it in my opinion but it cannot be all things to all people. A smooth double-action in trained hands really is more capable than might initially be expected as is suggested by Stainz in his post.
I have also learned that what is "right" for me may not necessarily be so for another.
I was lucky enough to pick up this lightly-used Model 64 from a private individual at a decent price. It shows a bit of wear and I refinished the S&W stocks. The gun's surface cleaned up nicely.
After shooting it to see if POA matched POI, I fitted this new S&W spurless DAO hammer to it! Some might think I am making a "mistake" and "am wrong". They are entitled to their opinion. I could not care less and would not be pretentious enough to attempt force-feeding my approaches to them. Double-action is primarily the way I shoot the defensive revolver. Not that he needs it in any form or fashion, but I agree with Old Fuff's assessment of what can be done in trained hands at distance in double-action.
I cannot speak for Thaddeus Jones, but I'd probably buy one of the "hand select" (or two) pre-lock Model 64's, shoot it and see what I thought about it. I'd shoot it for a couple or three range sessions just to be sure of what I liked ... or did not like before doing anything. If the spurless NY-1 style works for him, great. If not, it can be changed to stock configuration easily enough, though probably not without some cost...depending upon Mr. Jones' skill in fitting S&W hammers and whether or not he might already have such a hammer in his parts bin. I wouldn't let that be a deal-breaker though. Speaking only for myself, I really, really enjoy shooting my Model 10's and Model 64's. Despite owning several other make and type handguns, these are the ones I've been shooting the most for the past year or so. The Model 64 is sort of a "vanilla" revolver to many but they just seem to grow on you...at least they do on me.
If Mr. Jones gets his pre-lock Model 64, I hope that he enjoys it for years to come.
Best.
Thaddeus Jones: I cannot speak to the current batch J&G may have in but in the past there have been pre-lock Model 64's available. I would call them and for me, the extra charge to pick up a pre-lock would be worth it. I have not done business with these folks in several years but in the past, no problems at all. Friends who have dealt with them more recently had good dealings with them.
Though not (directly, at least) through J&G, I was lucky enough to purchase a couple of Model 64's from a private individual that had been obtained through a similar type sale of used revolvers by a company. I believe that he said that these .38's had been owned by an armored car service or something similar. They were of the NY-1 style. These had a little holster wear but actions were smooth (w/o reducing spring power), no excessive endshake and cylinder lock up was well before the spurless hammer dropped.
This used "security guard gun" has turned out to be a favorite shooter. As might be expected from a security company or police "trade-in guns", it had a ding or two. (I call them "honorable battle scars" and removed most of them with a little time using very fine sandpaper and changing out the rubber stocks for an old set of S&W's that I'd refinished years ago.) This one came in the NY-1 configuration. It will stay as it is.
On the first range session, I fired 6 slow-fire shots at the emblem above the words, "Qualification Targets" using Georgia-Arms 158-gr. LSWC ammunition. 6 rounds were then at the head, also in slow deliberate fire. I don't recall if the torso shots were done at farther distance or just rapid-fire at various distances. The slow-fire shots were done at about 7 yards or so.
I am no match shooter, but this is plenty accurate enough for my "needs".The revolver show here is capable of both DA and SA but was fired double-action.
I was lucky in that in my early years as a police officer, I was trained to shoot the revolver primarily in double-action by officers who were indeed national-level PPC (Practical Police Competition) shooters. Though not all of my revolvers are DAO ala the NY-1 set up, several are...and by choice.
If "Thaddeus Jones" winds up with a DAO spurless revolver, as "Old Fuff" mentions, it will cost about $50.00 or so for a new spur hammer as well as any extra charges should it require the touches of a gunsmith. Mr. Jones would have to decide if it is worth it or not for him...as mentioned by Old Fuff.
The farthest actual gunfight that I am personally aware of in which a revolver was used DAO and to good effect was right at 60 yards. An M1-Carbine wielding felon had already shot one officer and was trying to kill a friend of mine (police officer) with it when it jammed. While being shot at my friend took cover and then popped out to return fire double-action. When the carbine jammed, my buddy (finally) took his time and double-actioned the felon into a state of "permanent rehabilitation" with his sixth and final round via a then-new Super Vel .357 magnum to the center chest. The officer's revolver was an S&W Model 19. It was capable of both DA and SA fire, but he had been trained primarily in double-action shooting.
Though relatively few in number, the only police negligent discharges I was aware of involved their service revolvers being cocked. None involved suspects being covered and only in one instance was the officer injured. It is my understanding that in NYC (and other places), there definitely were other folks shot, lawsuits filed and DAO-revolvers, the result.
For right at 4 decades now, I have been seeking the perfect handgun, caliber and so forth; I cannot find it. The DAO set-up has much to recommend it in my opinion but it cannot be all things to all people. A smooth double-action in trained hands really is more capable than might initially be expected as is suggested by Stainz in his post.
I have also learned that what is "right" for me may not necessarily be so for another.
I was lucky enough to pick up this lightly-used Model 64 from a private individual at a decent price. It shows a bit of wear and I refinished the S&W stocks. The gun's surface cleaned up nicely.
After shooting it to see if POA matched POI, I fitted this new S&W spurless DAO hammer to it! Some might think I am making a "mistake" and "am wrong". They are entitled to their opinion. I could not care less and would not be pretentious enough to attempt force-feeding my approaches to them. Double-action is primarily the way I shoot the defensive revolver. Not that he needs it in any form or fashion, but I agree with Old Fuff's assessment of what can be done in trained hands at distance in double-action.
I cannot speak for Thaddeus Jones, but I'd probably buy one of the "hand select" (or two) pre-lock Model 64's, shoot it and see what I thought about it. I'd shoot it for a couple or three range sessions just to be sure of what I liked ... or did not like before doing anything. If the spurless NY-1 style works for him, great. If not, it can be changed to stock configuration easily enough, though probably not without some cost...depending upon Mr. Jones' skill in fitting S&W hammers and whether or not he might already have such a hammer in his parts bin. I wouldn't let that be a deal-breaker though. Speaking only for myself, I really, really enjoy shooting my Model 10's and Model 64's. Despite owning several other make and type handguns, these are the ones I've been shooting the most for the past year or so. The Model 64 is sort of a "vanilla" revolver to many but they just seem to grow on you...at least they do on me.
If Mr. Jones gets his pre-lock Model 64, I hope that he enjoys it for years to come.
Best.
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Guillermo
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Internal locks!!!
How can you disappoint more Old Fuff?
In addition to your collection of Rohms are you a member of Handgun Control?
Have a Hope/Change bumpersticker?
How else can the mighty fall?
This is like learning that Thomas Jefferson was really a Calvinist
How can you disappoint more Old Fuff?
In addition to your collection of Rohms are you a member of Handgun Control?
Have a Hope/Change bumpersticker?
How else can the mighty fall?
This is like learning that Thomas Jefferson was really a Calvinist
Guillermo:
You are like a pesky fly that moves too quickly for an old man to slap… :banghead:
But Stephen’s excellent and well-illustrated post #35 should go a long way toward reducing your extreme ignorance concerning double-action shooting.
That is, if you can read – but enjoy the pictures anyway…
You are like a pesky fly that moves too quickly for an old man to slap… :banghead:
But Stephen’s excellent and well-illustrated post #35 should go a long way toward reducing your extreme ignorance concerning double-action shooting.
That is, if you can read – but enjoy the pictures anyway…
Guillermo
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thanks Fuffmiester...they are pretty pictures!!!
As to the very nice post by Stephen, I do stand corrected. It sounds as though some policemen should have their sidearms modified. Instead of screwing up the hammer of a nice Smith it would be more efficient to remove the trigger. (Actually, I know a guy that such a modification is just the thing)
There is nobody that I would trust with a gun that I would not trust with a fully funtioning gun. If these guys can't handle a revolver what is going to happen when they get a striker fire gun as their sidearm?
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The issue that caused all of this had nothing to do with the competence of police officers, and everything to do with certain bottom-feeding lawyers that found a way to make some easy money. They would file a wrongful death suit against an officer and the law enforcement agency/department that they worked for; claiming (with absolutely no proof) that the officer had cocked his/her revolver and then fired it unintentionally when they touched the "hair trigger."
Far fetched as this is, some (usually urban) juries bought this line of cow chips, and the officer's employer or liability insurance ended up paying out literally millions of bucks. While going to DAO handguns may seem like overkill, it proved to be cheaper then paying out court judgments.
Meanwhile the information and illustrations provided in post #35 should show that officers that were trained and practiced in double-action shooting weren't left helpless - even at longer distances.
Of course not everyone (including you) agrees with this. Fortunately those that don't can buy revolvers with both a single and double action option.
Now are you satisfied???
Far fetched as this is, some (usually urban) juries bought this line of cow chips, and the officer's employer or liability insurance ended up paying out literally millions of bucks. While going to DAO handguns may seem like overkill, it proved to be cheaper then paying out court judgments.
Meanwhile the information and illustrations provided in post #35 should show that officers that were trained and practiced in double-action shooting weren't left helpless - even at longer distances.
Of course not everyone (including you) agrees with this. Fortunately those that don't can buy revolvers with both a single and double action option.
Now are you satisfied???
Guillermo
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actually yes.
Your very nicely written post illustrates that there is no practical reason for this modification, only a defense against scum-sucking-shysters (but I repeat myself)
Of course my trusty unmodified Detective Special is on the table as I write this. And it will remain fully funtioning as long as I have the priviledge of owning it.
So Fuffster...when you going to post photos of your Rohm collection?
Well you don’t have to act so superior about it. Mine is likely older (older is always better, which is the reason I’m called “Old Fuff”) and in the same condition.
Actually I do have one. A shooting instructor who used it in demonstrations during a class gave it to me…
It remains “as new,” and unfired.
Guillermo
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Your old pencil barrel DS is certainly older than mine. That said, I mentioned that I had the
This is especially true as I am sure that you can shoot yours better than I can mine.
so I don't think that can be construed as being superior.
This is especially true as I am sure that you can shoot yours better than I can mine.
goodtime
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I got a used 65 (unmodified) from robertsontradingpost.com a couple of years ago, and the double action was incredibly smooth, smoother than my Python (which is the only Python i've tried, so it might not be as smooth as others.) I believe it was, in part, because it was well worn in, but it is still in very good shape. The batch mine came from was sent back to S&W for refurbishing. But that DA action is amazingly smooth. SA is great too. I was thinking of getting a 64 from budsgunshop.com, they have some for cheap. anybody try one of theirs?
Landric
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The ones Bud's have are IL/MIM models. If that doesn't bother you, I'm sure they are fine. I'll stick with the pre-lock, pre MIM guns whenever possible.
Mr Camp - Thank you for your post. As with all the posts of yours I read, it was very helpful and most informative. Nice shooting there too!
As a retired deputy, I too was trained to shoot revolvers DA. In fact, thinking about it, I cannot recall the last time I took a single action shot with a revolver.
While I can understand the reluctance of some not to have the option of single action fire, speaking for myself, it is of little consequence. All my shots are made double action. In competition or otherwise. As my eyes begin to fail me, 25 yards is about as long a shot as I take. That is usually at IDPA or ICORE matches.
I've placed my order for one of the remaining NY-1 model 64's. The gentleman assures me it is square butt with no lock. I'm looking forward to recieving it.
Thanks to all who assisted me with their opinions in this thread. This board truly is a wealth of information and experience.
Occassionally I ponder joining other gunboards. Then I "lurk" on them periodically and see that they are made up of rude fanboys and collectors. No old fuffs out there lads. Here we truly have a gathering of shooters, end users and competitors. It shows in the quality of the responses. The only place for handgunners on the web where the "expert commentary" is present in every thread, IMO.
The lack of advertising is very nice as well!! TJ
As a retired deputy, I too was trained to shoot revolvers DA. In fact, thinking about it, I cannot recall the last time I took a single action shot with a revolver.
While I can understand the reluctance of some not to have the option of single action fire, speaking for myself, it is of little consequence. All my shots are made double action. In competition or otherwise. As my eyes begin to fail me, 25 yards is about as long a shot as I take. That is usually at IDPA or ICORE matches.
I've placed my order for one of the remaining NY-1 model 64's. The gentleman assures me it is square butt with no lock. I'm looking forward to recieving it.
Thanks to all who assisted me with their opinions in this thread. This board truly is a wealth of information and experience.
Occassionally I ponder joining other gunboards. Then I "lurk" on them periodically and see that they are made up of rude fanboys and collectors. No old fuffs out there lads. Here we truly have a gathering of shooters, end users and competitors. It shows in the quality of the responses. The only place for handgunners on the web where the "expert commentary" is present in every thread, IMO.
The lack of advertising is very nice as well!! TJ
jaysouth
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I bought a 64-5 from a local dealer this week. It has the factory bobbed hammer.
I paid 249.99 plus tax.
If I am not mistaken, these "DAO" 64s on the market came from Brinks Armored Car.
Anyhow, it looks a lot like the 64 4" that I had a smith bob the hammer on about 10 years ago. The older gun is a lot slicker but I might need a backup. I figure that the older 64 and my Dillon 550 will wear out at about the same time. Anybody got a spare Dillon 550 for me to rebuild and put back to back up the current one?
I had the hammer bobbed on a couple of older K frames because it looked cool at the time. Both have turned out to be incredible action shooters. I love to clean up bowling pins and steel plates after glocksters miss their mark.
I paid 249.99 plus tax.
If I am not mistaken, these "DAO" 64s on the market came from Brinks Armored Car.
Anyhow, it looks a lot like the 64 4" that I had a smith bob the hammer on about 10 years ago. The older gun is a lot slicker but I might need a backup. I figure that the older 64 and my Dillon 550 will wear out at about the same time. Anybody got a spare Dillon 550 for me to rebuild and put back to back up the current one?
I had the hammer bobbed on a couple of older K frames because it looked cool at the time. Both have turned out to be incredible action shooters. I love to clean up bowling pins and steel plates after glocksters miss their mark.
Update
I recieved my J&G DAO model 64 a few weeks back. Weather and work had precluded any shooting till this past weekend.
I must say that I had no real expectations on ordering this revolver. I thought that any pre lock K-frame revolver for under $300 was a must have, and one can never own too many.
I was VERY pleasantly surprised upon recieving mine. It was a square butt 64-5, with a flash chromed hammer and trigger. No MIM!! The factory OEM flash chromed bobbed hammer was the first I've examined in person. Nicely done!
The revolver was dirty, but remarkably free of serious dings or scratches. The trigger guard had a few places that needed smoothing, and the sideplate had two significant scratches that needed blending. Other than that this 64-5 was well cared for indeed.
Mechanically I am still in a state of shock over this 64-5. I have many handguns in my modest herd. The majority are revolvers. I have a few S&W Performance Center revolvers. The trigger on this stock 64-5 rivals my S&W PC revolvers , no I kid you not. I had my girlfriend dry fire my PC 586-5 L-comp, and then dry fire my 64-5. She is a fairly experienced shooter, and could percieve little to no difference!! (She liked the 64-5 because it was shiny and prettier )
This was one well made and well cared for sixgun. Now, off to the range. That smooth trigger paid off nicely. Under two inch groups at 15 yards were the norm, with all ammo I used.
Remington 125 grain 38+P was particularly accurate, although I felt the flash was a bit much, especially in low light.
I am extremely happy and satisfied with my J&G model 64. I thank you all for your kind advice and opinions. As always you gentlemen were right on the mark! TJ
I recieved my J&G DAO model 64 a few weeks back. Weather and work had precluded any shooting till this past weekend.
I must say that I had no real expectations on ordering this revolver. I thought that any pre lock K-frame revolver for under $300 was a must have, and one can never own too many.
I was VERY pleasantly surprised upon recieving mine. It was a square butt 64-5, with a flash chromed hammer and trigger. No MIM!! The factory OEM flash chromed bobbed hammer was the first I've examined in person. Nicely done!
The revolver was dirty, but remarkably free of serious dings or scratches. The trigger guard had a few places that needed smoothing, and the sideplate had two significant scratches that needed blending. Other than that this 64-5 was well cared for indeed.
Mechanically I am still in a state of shock over this 64-5. I have many handguns in my modest herd. The majority are revolvers. I have a few S&W Performance Center revolvers. The trigger on this stock 64-5 rivals my S&W PC revolvers
, no I kid you not. I had my girlfriend dry fire my PC 586-5 L-comp, and then dry fire my 64-5. She is a fairly experienced shooter, and could percieve little to no difference!! (She liked the 64-5 because it was shiny and prettier )This was one well made and well cared for sixgun. Now, off to the range. That smooth trigger paid off nicely. Under two inch groups at 15 yards were the norm, with all ammo I used.
Remington 125 grain 38+P was particularly accurate, although I felt the flash was a bit much, especially in low light.
I am extremely happy and satisfied with my J&G model 64. I thank you all for your kind advice and opinions. As always you gentlemen were right on the mark! TJ
Old Fuff,
Thank you. Finally, after years of following you, somewhat in awe, you have finally said something wrong. YOU ARE HUMAN!!!
I could start by asking how many DAO revolvers you own but I am pretty sure the answer is zero.
It is just plain wrong to handicap officers with such a gun for the sake of some bean counter somewhere. It is a terrible idea to ensure that all trigger pulls are the longest and heaviest that they can be.
A single action shot is more accurate and easier and it should be against the law to take that more effective shot away from the man standing between the criminal and the citizen.
Well Willie,
Though your point about having the SA ability intact being a good thing has merits, you should understand that many, if not most of the departments that were issuing revolvers during the heyday of the model 64, forbade the use of the gun in single action, even if the gun hadn't been modified. They didn't allow it in the academies, nor during qualifications. Even those that weren't worried about the legal implications, realized that allowing single action use during training, hampered the ability of the recruit to learn the double action stroke. Also, the 2 or 3 pound SA trigger of a good Smith revolver wasn't something you wanted scared young officers pointing at people in the field, (even if it would have been no great loss for many of them if there was a whoops...).
Summit Gun Broker has the standard 64 with SA capability listed for $275.
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/New_Standard_5.html
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/New_Standard_5.html
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