Useless, For Need of a Spring?

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This is a huge turnoff for me. Ruger is known for product quality and performance at a price point, but if the gun breaks and your simply screwed then it’s a pass for me. Not a hard pass as they do still make some stuff I am very interested in, but when it comes to stuff like the 22-45 lite I was planning to buy then it makes me look more towards a buckmark. They don’t support the six series revolvers. They don’t support the older mk series pistols. They don’t support the ROA. They laugh at people who own a red label shotgun. With all this in mind I bet that they refuse to support Marlin guns even at a cost to the owner. The cult following of Ruger was deserved, but in current times with the lack of support or care for the customer that they are showing tells me that the cult following needs to be revisited. Not that they are the only ones doing this, but you don’t see Charter Arms or the like hanging it’s customers out to dry.
 
Ruger isn't the only company to do this.
Correct. I would say it's the norm for a gun company to drop support of discontinued items. Ruger used to be unusual in that they supported nearly everything they ever made for quite a long time until the change a few years back.
 
It’s no big deal to make springs like the one you need. Music wire is available from several suppliers and can be formed into what shape you need, no heat treat needed. Might take a few tries, but the material is cheap. I have formed and/or wound numerous springs during my 40+ years as a gunsmith. Broken guitar strings are another source of spring stock.
 
It’s no big deal to make springs like the one you need. Music wire is available from several suppliers and can be formed into what shape you need, no heat treat needed. Might take a few tries, but the material is cheap. I have formed and/or wound numerous springs during my 40+ years as a gunsmith. Broken guitar strings are another source of spring stock.

Seriously? I don't know of any spring that's ever been made that didn't need to be heat treated and then drawn back so it would work properly. What then keeps that non-heat treated wire from continuing to bend once it is in use?
 
Why not make one?

I don't think this a "stretch",but reckon some will...... With the state of affairs(no politics please) in firearms management,and manufacturing,why does "unsupported" as far as parts are concerned, suprise anyone?

As a Colt(and Smith) shooter,it was always interesting to hear the arguments "against" because parts were such a pain. Well,at some point.... bubba or not,each individual is gonna have to come up with their own parts. No big rant... just sayin,it isn't like you plant gun part seeds and watch them grow. Somebody "made" them. And it won't,or shouldn't take grant money towards a research project to find out.... these parts were being made long before electricity.

So,to the OP... yes,in shop you learn to "don't make a 5 cent screw", WHEN you can buy one off the shelf. But small gun parts?

Good luck with your search.

Well, I didn't learn much machining skills in "shop class", I learned all I know from being an apprentice tool maker and trained by "masters" who were chased out of Europe by Hitler and his cohorts, working for four years until journeyman status was reached in the late 60's. I then spent 17 years as a journeyman toolmaker in a prototype toolroom, so, I've been to the circus and seen the elephants.
In the one book I own written by Parker O. Ackley concerning "gunsmithing" he stated that "it would be quite difficult to make an early firing pin for the Remington Model 12 slide action .22 rimfire rifles". Well, back in the day, I accepted that challenge and that firing pin is depicted below, among several other not-so-easy-to-make parts:
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I also made a few of the other obsolete parts for those old rifles pictured above, like the odd-ball threaded nut that press fits into the left side of those Remington versions receiver face. But to cut threads for that internally tapped part, I needed to make and heat treat a tap to cut the threads so that the take-down screw fit those odd pitch threads in that nut. So, a spring, or even a spring winding fixture, would not be all that hard to make in my shop. Unfortunately, the time involved with making springs, spring winders and many other obsolete parts is just not worth the time involved, nor the cost passed on to MY customer(s), as I found with making the above firing pin, unless someone chooses to work for around $0.50 per hour. I made the above firing pin as a challenge to what P.O. Ackley wrote, and the tap and nut for a specific need, and both worked in one of my Remington Model 12 early .22 rifles just fine.
Yet, I think I'll save the making of springs and intricate obsolete parts to those who do things as a hobby, if they can, just like the firearms manufacturers choose to do with ordering springs and save spring making to those who do it properly, and cost effectively.
 
Yes sir, that's EXACTLY it. Last I checked there it was OOS. I'll check again, thanks!
You're welcome -- two things I learned about Numrich:
  1. Check often.
  2. When it comes in stock, pounce on it.
I live about 15 miles away from their location. I was really bummed when they closed their walk-in counter.
 
SGW,I hear you on the cost thing.... hence,"don't make a 5 cent screw".

I grew up,in a shop. Several uncles were machinists during WWII. Pretty much all their personal tools were left with me on their passing. Dad was a building contractor from before the war,continuing after.I had to learn machining to support our wood milling end of things. Yeah,new equipment is good but,learn to make obsolete parts and you open up whole new vista's on things. Could bore y'all to tears on equipment that has passed through here being fixed because of zero support. Heck,it isn't just old U.S. arn..... try getting a replacement XYZ part for a brand new Asian piece?

Everybody does what they have to do I reckon?
 
Seriously? I don't know of any spring that's ever been made that didn't need to be heat treated and then drawn back so it would work properly. What then keeps that non-heat treated wire from continuing to bend once it is in use?

I'm a little surprised that you don't know the properties of music wire. It comes heat treated. Even ol', dumb me has been making springs with it for years. It's pretty handy for making small stabbing and scratch awls too. I have even made a few very small wood chisles out of it.
 
Don't know why that would surprise you as you know nothing about me or what I do. I normally buy or adapt COIL springs for what needs I encounter. Don't make coil springs when I can buy those or adapt another. Never used music wire for anything. I'm happy to read that you are a wizard at making coil springs, my time goes toward other things involved with what I can subsist on.
I have and do make flat springs for the older Stevens Favorite and Model 44 falling block rifles, but those are rather easy to deal with. So, like BWS posted above, I don't even mess with making a 5-cent screw, but only unless it has an odd-ball thread that needs to be lathe turned to get the right pitch compatible with the threads needed.
 
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Don't read things into my post that i didn't put there. I never said anything about being a wizard at making coil springs from music wire , just that I had made some. I forgot that you are the Ruger MK pistol wizard and will bother you no more.
 
Don't know why that would surprise you as you know nothing about me or what I do. I normally buy or adapt COIL springs for what needs I encounter. Don't make coil springs when I can buy those or adapt another. Never used music wire for anything. I'm happy to read that you are a wizard at making coil springs, my time goes toward other things involved with what I can subsist on.
I have and do make flat springs for the older Stevens Favorite and Model 44 falling block rifles, but those are rather easy to deal with. So, like BWS posted above, I don't even mess with making a 5-cent screw, but only unless it has an odd-ball thread that needs to be lathe turned to get the right pitch compatible with the threads needed.

If that’s what you have to do to get a screw that fits, it isn’t a 5-cent screw.
 
I wonder how many folks here own a Ruger 22/45 or Mark III 22/45 pistol. If you do I sure hope you have a backup sear spring, or two, in case your factory spring is ever lost, broken or damaged in any way that it will need to be replaced:

I've had replacement sear springs on "back-order" from their parts department for almost two years now. I even sent the CEO a message asking about why Ruger no linger stocks these viable springs for the needs of those who own these pistols. Even asked him if he would furnish me with the spring maker that once supplied Ruger with those springs, as I would like to order what ever the order amount requires. So far, nothing but crickets chirping.
Maybe it will take a "bombardment" of 22/45 owners sending the CEO a note on the Ruger.com website, asking why they discontinued a much needed spring should one fail and render a fine pistol "USELESS". :fire:

Back in the 70's I once had a wait over a year for a firing pin from Charter arms. I sent them a registered letter stating (paraphrased)

Dear Sir or Ms,

I ordered a replacement firing pin over a year ago to replace your UNBREAKABLE "beryllium copper" sample in my gun which DID break. The CA. .44 is my home defense firearm and I am not financially able to just go and buy another gun to replace it while waiting for parts. If I am not able to defend myself with your firearm in a time of need, you will hear from my heirs.

CC: Me, local newspaper, and my Dad.

Of course I had a second revolver (a Security six) but they sent me a replacement firing pin within a few days :)

Their letter apologized and stated that they were low on replacements due to high demand and "went down to the assembly line to take one (unplated) and send it to me"
 
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