USPSA S&W m&p performance center opinion.

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Trying to get into action pistol. Since I found out my hi-power isn't allowed in production or single-stack divisions, I now have an excuse to look at new handguns. A fellow at the gun store was showing me the performance center M&P and I really liked it. He claimed that all I would have to do is swap the ported barrel for a standard one and it would be legal for the production version. This seems like it satisfies the rules as I understand them but I wanted to be sure. The way he put it, the pistol would offer a lot of versatility because I could always put on an optic and the original ported barrel and get extended magazines for the open division.

Also I see the gun is offered in .40sw. Would I be able to buy that version and drop in a 9mm barrel. Since I would be buying a new barrel regardless it makes sense to me to go that direction so that I would have the option in the future to run major in the open class, but i'm not sure on the compatability of the two calibers in this gun and magazines.

Thanks for your help. I'm not really planning on buying anything until I've been to enough club matches to get a feel for what I like and need, but I figure it doesn't hurt to look.
 
I dont believe its approved by NROI just yet...
S&W guns approved as a few days ago. (their site is down right now... Google USPSA NROI for specific guns)
1006 (38 oz.), 1066 (38.5 oz.), 39 (26.5 oz.), 3913 (25 oz.), 3913L (25 oz.), 3913TSW (24.8 oz.), 3914 (25 oz.), 3953 (24.8 oz.), 3953STSW (24.8 oz.), 4006 (38.5 oz.), 4013TSW (37.8 oz.), 4043 (30 oz.), 4046 (37.8 oz.), 4053TSW (26.7 oz.), 410 (28.5 oz.), 439 (30 oz.), 4506 (40.5 oz.), 4513TSW (28.6 oz.), 4553TSW (28.6 oz.), 4566 (39.1 oz.), 457 (29 oz.), 4586 (39.1 oz.), 59 (27 oz.), 5904 (26.5 oz.), 5906 DA/SA (37.5 oz.), 5906 DA/SA 5 inch (40.9 oz.), 5946 (39.5 oz.), 659 (39.5 oz.), 669 (26 oz.), 6906 (26.5 oz.), 6946 (26.5 oz.), 908 (24 oz.), 910 (28 oz.), M&P 357 Sig Compact 3" (24.7 oz.), M&P 357Sig 4" (28.7 oz.), M&P 40 4" (27.5 oz.), M&P 40 Compact 3" (24.4 oz.), M&P 45 4" (27.9 oz.), M&P 45 Compact 3" (27.3 oz.), M&P 45 Full Size (28.9 oz.), M&P 9 Compact 3" (24.2 oz.), M&P 9L 5" 9mm (28.2 oz.), M&P 9mm 4" (27.2 oz.), M&P Core .40S&W 4.25 barrel (24 oz.), M&P Core .40S&W 5 in barrel (26 oz.), M&P Core 9mm 4.25 Barrel (24 oz.), M&P Core 9mm 5 inch barrel (26 oz.), M&P Pro series 5 9mm (29.2 oz.), M&P Pro series 5 .40 S&W (29.2 oz.), Sigma models Compact SW9V (26 oz.), SW40C (26 oz.), SW40F (26 oz.), SW40V (24.4 oz.), SW40VE (24.4 oz.), SW99 9, 40 & 45 (26 oz.), SW9C (25 oz.), SW9F (26 oz.), SW9M (18 oz.), SW9VE (24.7 oz.)
(Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 8.5" is approved)
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If its approved in the near future. All you would do is have to change out the ported barrel.

you cannot use a barrel conversion and remain Production legal.

you can shoot your Hi-Power in limited 10. Its the only place it fits in.
 
What tarosean said.

Also, M&P's were briefly the hotness in USPSA production, but they've since receded. There may be a bit of a resurgence for them with the new provisional (but probably will be permanent/real) division of Carry Optics, which allows a red-dot slide-riding sight, and imposes a tight, effectively-polymer-only weight limit, but then otherwise tracks Production rules.

FWIW, there are certainly people who shoot .40 minor in Production. If you handload/reload, then you can make some very soft-shooting loads. Run a 40 M&P as is with 10 rounds and soft loads and it's viable in Prod. Mill the slide and slap a red-dot on and Carry Optics works. Fill up the mags with major rounds, attach a magwell, and do some stuff to the trigger and sights and you can play in Limited pretty effectively.

So, if you were looking for maximum flexibility, that might be the way to go. But keep in mind that certain mods that would be legal in CO or Ltd cannot be undone and stay legal for Prod.
 
If you want an M&P for USPSA production, just get a regular 5" Pro 9mm and go from there.

The ported barrel guns will never be on the Production list anyway due to the barrel porting, so any barrel swaps are a moot point. Also this gun will not have any chance of being competitive in Open regardless of cartridge either.

If you happened to shoot IDPA, I think it would be legal in SSP if you changed the barrel for a non-ported one in the same caliber, and then you would have the theoretical advantage of a slightly lighter slide, but personally on this type of gun I wouldn't even bother with the expense of a new barrel just for that.

If the M&P is what you want to shoot, like I said, just get a standard 5" Pro and you'll be good to go for both SSP and Production.
 
The ported barrel guns will never be on the Production list anyway due to the barrel porting, so any barrel swaps are a moot point.
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Not necessarily, as they do allow Glock's C models to compete with a non ported barrel.

I'm with ya on the M&P in Open though...
 
Oh really... I would not have guessed. Looks like the USPSA site is down for maintenance. What does it say? "G17C w/aftermarket barrel only"?
 
Essentially

17 9mm (25 oz.), 17 Gen4 9mm (25 oz.), 17 RTF2 9mm (24.4 oz.), 19 9mm (23.7 oz.), 19 Gen 4 (23.8 oz.), 20 10mm (30 oz.), 20 Gen4 10mm (25.4 oz.), 20 SF 10mm (30.4 oz.), 21 .45 ACP (29.2 oz.), 21 SF .45ACP (29.3 oz.), 22 .40S&W (25.6 oz.), 22 Gen 4 (25.7 oz.), 22 RTF2 .40S&W (25.8 oz.), 23 .40S&W (23.7 oz.), 23 Gen 4 (24 oz.), 26 9mm (21.8 oz.), 26 Gen 4 9mm (21.7 oz.), 27 .40S&W (21.8 oz.), 27 Gen 4 .40S&W (21.9 oz.), 29 10mm (27 oz.), 29 SF 10mm (27.4 oz.), 30 SF .45ACP (26.5 oz.), 30 .45ACP (26.5 oz.), 31 .357Sig (26 oz.), 31 Gen 4 .357 (26.3 oz.), 32 .357Sig (24 oz.), 33 .357Sig (22 oz.), 34 9mm (26 oz.), 34 Gen 4 9mm 5.32 Barrel (26 oz.), 35 .40 S&W (27.6 oz.), 35 Gen 4 .40S&W (27.3 oz.), 36 .45 ACP (22.5 oz.), 37 .45 GAP (26 oz.), 37 Gen 4 (28.9 oz.), 38 .45 GAP (26.8 oz.), 39 .45 GAP (21.8 oz.), G21 Gen 4 .45 Auto 4.60 barrel (29.3 oz.), G29 Gen 4 10mm 3.77 barrel (26.83 oz.), G30 Gen 4 .45 Auto 3.77 Barrel (26.3 oz.), G30S .45 Auto 3.77 barrel (22.95 oz.), G32 Gen 4 .357 4.48 barrel 24.0 (24 oz.), G33 Gen 4 .357 3.42 barrel (21.89 oz.), G34 MOS (25.95 oz.), G35 MOS (27.53 oz.), G41 Gen 4 .45 acp 5.31 Barrel (27 oz.), G41 MOS (27 oz.)
(L models are not approved) C models are allowed providing that the barrel is non-ported and the other requirements are met. Short Frame (SF) versions of models approved.
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Not legal for IDPA SSP due to 8.2.1.4.8 (SSP Excluded Modifications) Compensated/ported firearms with non-compensated/ported barrels installed.

However OK for IDPA ESP: 8.2.2.1.5 Firearms originally sold as compensated/ported models may be used in ESP with non-compensated/ported barrels installed.
 
Hey, ATLDave; what IS the hotness in Production these days?

sawdeanz; be careful taking what a store clerk says about what he has in inventory meeting competition rules as fact.
 
Not legal for IDPA SSP due to 8.2.1.4.8 (SSP Excluded Modifications) Compensated/ported firearms with non-compensated/ported barrels installed.

However OK for IDPA ESP: 8.2.2.1.5 Firearms originally sold as compensated/ported models may be used in ESP with non-compensated/ported barrels installed.
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Oops.. not my day for guessing at rules I suppose... thanks.
 
Jim Watson said:
Hey, ATLDave; what IS the hotness in Production these days?

sawdeanz; be careful taking what a store clerk says about what he has in inventory meeting competition rules as fact.
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Heavy steel DA/SA guns like CZ or Tanfoglio. Or Glock 34.
 
Yep, what waktasz said. Also, some people are making a go with the Sig 320, and a smaller number with one of the Grand Powers, I think.

But, yeah, LOTS of CZ's and a fair number of Tanfo's. And Glocks.
 
^ Pretty much. If I recall correctly the 2015 Production Nationals Survey in Front Sight's last issue had CZ's at 67% or something like that.

M&P's are more popular than Glocks in my Area's local matches with only a small handful of Tanfo and CZ shooters.
 
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Yep, what waktasz said. Also, some people are making a go with the Sig 320, and a smaller number with one of the Grand Powers, I think.

But, yeah, LOTS of CZ's and a fair number of Tanfo's. And Glocks.
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Everyone I know who is shooting a 320 got one for free
 
If I recall correctly the 2015 Production Nationals Survey in Front Sight's last issue had CZ's at 67% or something like that
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apparently I did not recall correctly.

40% CZ
20% Glock
12% S&W
11% Springfield
7% Sig
6% Tanfoglio
4% Other
 
When I started shooting USPSA back in the 80s the about the only guns you saw were 1911 single stacks. And just about every guy who won a match used a 1911 single stack. But part of the reason for that was match stages didn't require 75 rounds to finish. It wasn't about putting massive amounts of lead downrange. It was about putting exactly enough rounds precisely on target as fast as possible with NO misses and performing mag changes at exactly the right time (in other words - you NEVER shoot to slide lock - if you did that you would lose and the other guys would tease you for weeks for shooting your gun dry). Rob Leatham was just a big kid and Bill Wilson was watchmaker who had just figured out that if you wanted a reliable 1911 you had to build it yourself. I am very glad to have been alive back then.
 
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Vast majority of stages today are 32 rounds or less... I don't know if that has changed or not since the 80s. Also I'm not aware of any major changes to the scoring model. Misses still kill you hard.

Single stack is still a division that is alive and well. I guess it was technically Open back then, but then people started innovating.

I wouldn't call the diversity of divisions today a downside.
 
Dont worry Drail, not much has changed. 1911's in double and single stack are the dominate gun in the divisions they are allowed in. :D
 
Drail said:
When I started shooting USPSA back in the 80s the about the only guns you saw were 1911 single stacks. And just about every guy who won a match used a 1911 single stack. But part of the reason for that was match stages didn't require 75 rounds to finish. It wasn't about putting massive amounts of lead downrange. It was about putting exactly enough rounds precisely on target as fast as possible with NO misses and performing mag changes at exactly the right time (in other words - you NEVER shoot to slide lock - if you did that you would lose and the other guys would tease you for weeks for shooting your gun dry). Rob Leatham was just a big kid and Bill Wilson was watchmaker who had just figured out that if you wanted a reliable 1911 you had to build it yourself. I am very glad to have been alive back then.
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Everything was better back then. We didn't have to worry about getting run down on the streets by those fancy horseless carriages either.

Oh sorry I thought you meant 1880s. Technology advancement has improved the sport and you can still shoot your relic if you like. ;)
 
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