Utah DPS -- No more non-res CCW permits

[F4GIB]

Utah DPS recommends repeal of Non-Resident Permit provisions: As the number of concealed weapons permits issued by Utah continues to climb, public safety officials told lawmakers Wednesday it might be time to stop accepting applications from out-of-state. By the end of the year, Utah is projected to have issued more than 40,000 concealed weapons permits - nearly a 150 percent increase over 2007 and more than a 250 percent boost from 2006. Slightly more than half of the permit applications received since the beginning of the budget year on July 1, 2007, have gone to Utahns. But since 1994, about two-thirds of the applications have come from out-of-state…But committee member Sen. Bill Hickman, R-St. George, was more interested in why the state was issuing concealed weapons permits to non-Utahns rather than simply relying on existing reciprocity agreements with other states… (Even as an Arizonan, my Utah CFP allows me to carry in a few more states than my Arizona CWP.)

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700228064,00.html

 

[Sato Ord]

Since the one posing the question is agreeable to the states reciprocity of permits I see this more as a cost effective measure than a gun control issue. When a department's budget suddenly increases by seventy or eighty percent because of processing out of state permits it affects other state run programs.

sounds like the guy simply wants to make sure that Utah's money is used for the residents of Utah.

 

[30 cal slob]

that would be a huge bummer.

i understand the lopsidedness of Utah permits, but in the meantime, why don't they just increase the price of the non-resident CCW's?

what about current holders of non-resident CCW's? no renewals?

 

[SaxonPig]

I obtained my Utah permit while a resident and renewed it when I moved out of state. I would prefer to keep it, but maybe I can't. I think it is mostly a money issue and they need to charge the actual cost to cover out of state holders.

 

[ArmedBear]

why don't they just increase the price of the non-resident CCW's?

My thought, exactly. This could be net income for Utah.

Utah permits are popular in California, for example, for those who travel out-of-state but can't get a permit locally. People would be willing to pay extra.

 

[Sato Ord]

Quote:
why don't they just increase the price of the non-resident CCW's?

My thought, exactly. This could be net income for Utah.

I don't see any problem with Utah cutting costs, I also don't see any harm in just charging more for the permits to cover the costs.

It could be that the people looking to cut this just aren't thinking it through. Perhaps people who either hold Utah permits, or would like to do so, should write to the people on the committee.

 

[MarshallDodge]

The system is really dogged down right now. Utah does not have the manpower to run all these licenses. My wife has been waiting almost ten weeks for her permit.

Colorado just passed a law that if you are a CO resident then you must have a CO permit. Our permits were much cheaper so people were applying in our state to get the better price.

Suggestion: If your state does not have reprocity with another then get with your lawmakers and get it fixed. Getting a permit from Utah does not fix the real problem.

 

[ArmedBear]

It could be that the people looking to cut this just aren't thinking it through.

I guess if they were entrepreneurial, they wouldn't be bureaucrats.

 

[M60]

I still don't understand...

1. Why we need a permit to begin with?

2. Why aren't permits recognized like Drivers licenses?

-Mark.

 

[Crow1108]

That really sucks. I wonder how that would affect military members who are stationed here, whose home of record isn't Utah (like me).

 

[Old Guy]

This is a problem?

Double the price, to non residents, post the profits publically, other than that, what is the problem? The out of state applicants give verifiable finger prints.

NCIC plus the Canadian CIPIC check these for criminal records, it is a good thing.

Why do Lawmakers have to find ways to hold back and restrict good people?
I know many Canadians who come down to Florida, and put their match pistol on their belts and for a few weeks feel the freedom we all have all the time. Residents of the communists States, Illinois, and New York City to site two, the same.

 

[MarshallDodge]

That really sucks. I wonder how that would affect military members who are stationed here, whose home of record isn't Utah (like me).

They should be able to accommodate special circumstances such as yours.

Personally I think they should let it continue but state residents should get priority over out-of-state people.

 

[romma]

Suggestion: If your state does not have reprocity with another then get with your lawmakers and get it fixed. Getting a permit from Utah does not fix the real problem

Easier said than done MarshallDodge..

I don't have a Utah permit, but I have Florida and NH along with my home state.

My home state will not reciprocate with anybody at this point. I have personally tried to coax legislators and the attorney general here.

 

[Crow1108]

They should be able to accommodate special circumstances such as yours.

Personally I think they should let it continue but state residents should get priority over out-of-state people.

I agree Marshall. It's also been suggested that they raise the cost to non-residents. Personally, I'd be fine with that. It would still be cheaper for me than traveling back to NC.

 

[MarshallDodge]

Easier said than done MarshallDodge..

I don't have a Utah permit, but I have Florida and NH along with my home state.

My home state will not reciprocate with anybody at this point. I have personally tried to coax legislators and the attorney general here.

I understand your pain. Keep fighting the good fight!

 

[CountGlockula]

UT pretty much thrives on out of state tourists. This would be a huge blow in their economy.

Anyways, TIME TO APPLY EVERYONE!!!!

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

This ain't good. I was planning to get my Utah this year (non-res). Question: If I get a 5-year permit, and they change the law, will the permit still be good, or revoked?

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

This would be a huge blow in their economy.

That's complete nonsense. Tourism in Utah has little to do with the issuing of non-resident permits. At the same time, Utah continues to recognize all other CCW permits.

 

[cloudedice]

PremiumSauces,

Likely this would only affect the processing of new applications. Since this is only a recommendation and the state legislature has not done anything about it, you can still apply for a Utah Non-Res and expect it to work for the next 5 years. We have no idea, until the law's been passed, what will happen after that.

 

[3fgburner]

The problem is that (as I understand it) revenue from permits goes into the state's general fund, and only a pittance is used to fund the actual permit office. There's no incentive for DPS to continue issuing permits, because they don't get anything out of it but headaches.

 

[F4GIB]

To find a Utah certified instructor near you, see:
http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/insoutstate.pdf

 

[F4GIB]

The problem is that (as I understand it) revenue from permits goes into the state's general fund, and only a pittance is used to fund the actual permit office. There's no incentive for DPS to continue issuing permits, because they don't get anything out of it but headaches.

GIVE the DPS/BCI all the money. Get them hooked on the "gravy train" and they'll be fighting to find MORE applicants! Bureaucrats can't resist growing their empires so long as it doesn't cost them anything.

 

[Rambling_one]

Keep the Non-Res Permit

Dear Senator Hickman -

I was surprised and alarmed to read the following in the Deseret News:

...committee member Sen. Bill Hickman, R-St. George, was more interested in why the state was issuing concealed weapons permits to non-Utahns rather than simply relying on existing reciprocity agreements with other state... .

Maryland issues handgun permits on a discretionary basis and refuses to enter reciprocity agreements.
A resident can't get a permit for self protection unless it can be proved that harm has already occurred.

We're a retired couple and enjoy traveling. We opt to spend time and money in those states that offer us the most security.

Please take my comments into account before deciding to terminate my non-resident Utah permit.

Thank you.

 

[ProficientRifleman]

But committee member Sen. Bill Hickman, R-St. George, was more interested in why the state was issuing concealed weapons permits to non-Utahns rather than simply relying on existing reciprocity agreements with other states…

Jeepers! He mentions something akin to the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution for the Unites States of America?