UW Student Senate rejects memorial for Pappy Boyington

[DRZinn]

Magnus Gordon encouraged senators and their constituents to come to the
HUB crawl for go-cart racing and a poetry slam on February the 16th.

Hala Dillsi noted that GBLTC is having auditions for the drag show this week.

Selma Dillsi said APS is having its annual Human Rights Film Fest on February

15th-19th .

Jill Edwards noted that Honors Croquet League is holding a match this
Saturday.

Ashley Miller said this Thursday during noon passing periods groups would be
playing The Privilidge Game in front of the HUB.

It was noted that tickets for the Vagina Monologues are currently available in the HUB ticket office.

Jon Lee said Innocence Project Northwest is having a screening at the Burke Museum regarding the death penalty.

Karl Smith noted the ACLU is having a meeting in Kane Hall this Saturday.

Tells you all you need to know.

Edit: That's not pick-and-choose, that's their entire Announcements section.

 

[Old NFO]

Well, the latest is that FOx had a 5 minute on this issue this morning on the Sunday Talk mentioning by name the students and their comments... Oh yeah, one other point... Boyington was neither rich nor white. He pretty much died without anything, and he was a Sioux Indian-

Thanks for your service Hacker-15! Nice to see at least ONE individual made it out of there with some common sense and decency!

 

[Phyphor]

I say we call in Marine Air and level UW!

Agreed. Then give the pilots on that run a bottle of bourbon apiece after the mission.

(Gregory Boyington used to enjoy fine (and sometimes, not-so-fine) bourbon. )

 

[CZ 75 BD]

Here's the link

http://http://secure.gifts.washington.edu/uw_foundation/gift.asp?source_typ=3&source=PAPPYB

for the scholarship fund.

 

[Ramius]

This reminds me far too much of the sordid incident when Joe Foss, Marine pilot and Congressional Medal of Honor holder, was prevented from boarding an airplane because his Medal of Honor set off the metal detector! The sorry excuses for thinking human beings that detained Foss remind me of these student senators that couldn't think themselves out of a wet paper bag. I thank the gods above for the likes of brave American heroes like Boyington and Foss.

You are kidding, right? PLEASE tell me you are kidding... has it gone that far now??? Can you point me to a complete detailed account of this happening?

Thanks. R.

 

[Brad Johnson]

You are kidding, right? PLEASE tell me you are kidding... has it gone that far now??? Can you point me to a complete detailed account of this happening?

Google "Joe Foss metal detector". But have a barf bag handy...

Brad

 

[JesseJames]

As a full-time college professor, instructing graduate level research, I have seen all too many students who are just arrogant. Heck, most of the arrogant ones can't even articulate an argument--they think it means to quarrel.

Student government is fine, but it should have LIMITED power. Colleges and universities are to be run, day-to-day, by the full-time, tenure-track professors, not by some snot-nosed punk who has an over-inflated opinion of their menial intelligence. The problem is that many, if not most, professors are just as stupid as this student government. They "learn" it somewhere!

We need to bring back the great equalizer, and this time make it EQUAL! Draft all "Americans" to serve their country for 1 or 2 years. Once they crawl through the mud for 3 months, they will have developed respect for those who dawn USA military uniforms--NO EXCEPTIONS, not even for the rich or the politicians' brats. EVERYONE should serve! For certain, by the end of 1 or 2 years, they will be humbled.

Not serving in the military is my ONE and ONLY regret in life! It would have done me a world of good! :banghead:

Doc2005

Thanks for that Doc2005. I appreciate what you said.
I did the Community College thing after 2 years active duty in the Army and man oh man let me tell you; I barely graduated with gritted teeth at the level of imbecilic thinking of the students and teachers.
Completely turned me off with "higher" education. Now I have an Associates Degree in Art and Media that is barely worth anything. I was initially a Criminal Justice major and switching was one of the biggest mistakes of my life.
My art teacher actually said this one day, "Who cares about our veterans."
I almost hit the roof. But I kept my temper.
I know this is "The High Road", but, I've coined a new term for the lexicon; you've heard of the term "white trash" right? Well, how about "intellectual trash".

 

[Old NFO]

<snip>
I know this is "The High Road", but, I've coined a new term for the lexicon; you've heard of the term "white trash" right? Well, how about "intellectual trash".

I like it.. I LIKE it... Can I use it???? Please!

 

[offthepaper]

ANSWER:
Conscipt the entire student body, student goverment, along with the leftist teaching facuilty at UW: and send them to Iraq so they can show us how to REALLY win a war. :banghead:

 

[offthepaper]

Almost forgot.
I not familar with the tuition cost of this school, but I think it safe to say whatever it is, they're overcharging for the worldly knowledge they impart to our youth.
That's as fair as I can be.

 

[Kim]

Scarbrough just had one of the young lefty intellluctuals on his show. And the truth spilled forward. Did you know it was the evil industrilist in the US, England and THE USA that was responsible for HILTER and MUSOLLINI and fascism..... Yes it was an evil Capitialist plot. Did you know the UNIV. of Washington has a memorial to the Lincolin Brigade the students who went and fought for the Communists in Europe. And IF only the ALLIES had supported the Communists in Europe all would have been well and WWII would have been avoided. HAHAHAHAHAHAHH soooooooooooooooo sad.

























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[Mad Man]

Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."

112 posts in this thread, and nobody has pointed out that Boyington was not white?! He was a Souix Indian.

As for the sin of honoring a rich white male, Mr. Ludeman points out that Boyington (who died in 1988) was neither rich nor white. He happened to be a Sioux Indian, who wound up raising his three children as a single parent.

-Wall Street Journal



UPDATE: I stand corrected (see post immediately below this). I misspelled "Sioux" when I did a search.

 

[carebear]

I think there's been about a mention per page, actually.

Well, I was wrong.

An oblique reference to Ira Hayes in 34, an oblique reference to his permanent tan in 82 and a direct reference in 102.

Must have been in all the links.

Still, it wasn't missed.

 

[lbmii]

I have a signed copy of Pappy's book.

 

[garyk/nm]

Another UW alum here ('85), seems they don't turn out ALL losers. One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is that UW is a STATE university and is funded by TAX dollars, so the folks in WA have some say in what happens at UW. I know, long shot.
For the current crop of lib-weenies to think that they speak for all students, past/present/future, as well as all of the citizens of WA, is the height of arrogance.
I like the Boortz plan, but would like to suggest that the alumni association fund the memorial just to put these twits in their proper place. I will make that suggestion to the Association, see where it goes.

 

[MillCreek]

In today's Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nicolebrodeur/2002818614_brodeur21m.html), one of the columnists points out the short-sightedness and lack of historical knowledge shown by the student senate.

 

[JesseJames]

Those UW students need to learn some respect, and some gun education.

 

[Vex]

Check out the UW Student Senate FORUM! Lets invade!!

http://senate.asuw.org/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=37&highlight=pappy

Associated Students of the University of Washington
Student Senate
Session 12


Edwards Apology

WHEREAS Student Senator Jill Edwards offended all members of the United States Marine Corps, past or present, dead or alive; especially those who were, are, or will be students at the University of Washington with her comment that she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce." This commented brought shame and dishonor to not only the UW Student Senate, but also the University as a whole, all its members who have served in the Marine Corps and all Marines past and present.

BE IT RESOLVED BY THE ASSOCIATED STUDENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:

THAT

Student Senator Jill Edwards will submit, in writing, a signed apology letter seeking forgiveness to all students, staff, and alumni who are now or ever have served in the United States Marine Corps. In said letter it will contain a formal apology and a recognition that her very rights and freedoms are guaranteed by such members of the armed services, to include the Marine Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard, past or present, living or dead. Additionally, said letter will be printed in all its form and substance in that day's edition of the UW Daily newspaper as well as being recited on the UW Radio station. To realize her mistake, she must acquaint herself with the history of the person she is so keen to dismiss, by reading Col. Boyington's book, Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. All of these requirements are mandatory, under pain of losing her seat on the Student Senate.

History of Legislation

02/15/2006: Submitted for consideration

Legislation ID:
R-12-24

Date Submitted:
02/15/2006

Sponsor:
Nathan D. Bedle

Cosponsor(s):

 

[Ziryo]

Check out the UW Student Senate FORUM! Lets invade!!

NO!

I don't know what forum etiquette you know, but forum invasions are stupid things that is very similar to shouting out people with whom you don't agree.

Other then being stupid it opens up counter-invasions, flamewars, and tarnishes the board(s) it occured from.

All activity on a board may grind to a halt and it's possible for the board owner to get into legal trouble.

 

[BigRobT]

I thought that I had heard that the decision was actually "tabled" due to the overwhelming flame emails they've received. This was part of the Fox News story that they had this past weekend. If this is the case, I think there's hope for these young, misguided children.

 

[Vex]

NO!

I don't know what forum etiquette you know, but forum invasions are stupid things that is very similar to shouting out people with whom you don't agree.

Other then being stupid it opens up counter-invasions, flamewars, and tarnishes the board(s) it occured from.

All activity on a board may grind to a halt and it's possible for the board owner to get into legal trouble.

Hang out on the ehowa.com forums for a while and you'll change your mind and see how much can be accomplished by going to another forum. They invade people's forums all the time.

Besides, what better way to preach to the people than by going directly to the people? Where I come from, inaction is worse than wrong action. You speak of flame wars, counter-invasions, and tarshishing the board? Yes, if you do the invasion INCORRECTLY. There are two ways to do something: the wrong way, and the right way. If certain citizens went to their forum (and actually, this is already being done) and talked to these people like adults, perhaps they would see the light and understand the evils of leftist college teachings.

 

[Art Eatman]

No. THR folks might head for a poll, somewhere, on a gun issue. Okay, fine. What we don't do is "invade" and get into the middle of existing childishness. We're supposed to be grownups, here.

That doesn't mean folks from here can't offer reasoned argument, anywhere, about their views on an issue. What it means is that we don't work on the basis of high volume, little thought. "Dear Sir, You cur!" isn't reasoned argument.

And so, Vex, give some thought to how you phrase your ideas. Don't be vexing to me.

Art

 

[engineer151515]

Follow-up info.

Well - looks like the Edwards apology bill was swept under the rug.

Oh well.

History of Legislation

02/15/2006: Submitted for consideration
02/17/2006: Referred to the Membership Committee
Committee consideration tabled indefinitely in accordance with Senate Rules Legislation ID:
R-12-24




Date Submitted:
02/15/2006

Sponsor:
Nathan D. Bedle

Cosponsor

Quote:
Associated Students of the University of Washington
Student Senate
Session 12


Edwards Apology

WHEREAS Student Senator Jill Edwards offended all members of the United States Marine Corps, past or present, dead or alive; especially those who were, are, or will be students at the University of Washington with her comment that she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce." This commented brought shame and dishonor to not only the UW Student Senate, but also the University as a whole, all its members who have served in the Marine Corps and all Marines past and present.

BE IT RESOLVED BY THE ASSOCIATED STUDENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:

THAT

Student Senator Jill Edwards will submit, in writing, a signed apology letter seeking forgiveness to all students, staff, and alumni who are now or ever have served in the United States Marine Corps. In said letter it will contain a formal apology and a recognition that her very rights and freedoms are guaranteed by such members of the armed services, to include the Marine Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard, past or present, living or dead. Additionally, said letter will be printed in all its form and substance in that day's edition of the UW Daily newspaper as well as being recited on the UW Radio station. To realize her mistake, she must acquaint herself with the history of the person she is so keen to dismiss, by reading Col. Boyington's book, Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. All of these requirements are mandatory, under pain of losing her seat on the Student Senate.