VA and NC Carriers: Beware Blued Ridge Parkway

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Nothing like having a beautiful natural wonder declared "off limits" to 'practicing' gun owners by stuffed-shirt bureaucrats...:steamed:

Funny someone compared it to unposted speed limits. Lemme tell you about the last time *I* was on the parkway. I was on the way to work, but a bad accident had closed the road to get there. Luckily I was behind a fellow co-worker also on her way in (and she knew the area better than me).

So I follow her. And I admit, it's POSSIBLE I missed the sign when we first got on there. I just thought it was a regular ol' road. In a few minutes I found myself thinking "MAN, that's a killer view!"

A few minutes LATER I noticed my first speed limit sign, something totally unreasonable (IMO :p) like 40mph. That's when it started to "click..."

I agree, we MUST make our voices heard on lifting the Federal ban on guns in National Parks!!!!
 
A very simple solution...

CaptMac made an important distinction. These are regulations of the Park Service, not laws.

As such, there is a very simple solution to all this mess.

Our great protector, George W. Bush, can issue an executive order requiring the Park Service to permit carry with a valid state permit.

The park service is under the Dept. of the Interior. The Interior is part of the Executive. George Bush is the Chief Executive. They have to do what the boss says.

That George Bush has not, and will not, do anything to protect the 2nd Amendment as he twice swore to do ("I will preserve, protect, and defend the constitution.") let alone our other civil rights, goes to show he is another fraud and a snickering POS.

He also stated publicly in 2004, that if Congress renewed the "Assault Weapons Ban", he would sign it.

Lesson: The ruling class in this country irrespective of party, doesn't care about our individual freedom and wants us all helpless serfs working on multi-national corporation plantations. The only difference is the Republican party has tapped the freedom-loving constituency by pretending they care (i.e., bold-faced lying).

Sorry to introduce the politics, but it's hard to avoid it when it's so relevant.

In situations like National Park carry, we have to ask ourselves what presents a higher risk: going unarmed or breaking the law? In many cases I would think the possibility of becoming a felon outweighs the risk of being attacked.

But I have carried in places where it was forbidden before, either because it was inconvenient or impossible to disarm beforehand, or because I thought the risk justified it.

It reminds me of the scene in "Red Dawn" (great film) where one of the "wolverines" is making a sawed-off shotgun. What makes it great is it follows a scene where we find out a gun-store owner was executed because his inventory didn't match his federally-mandated sale records. The director's inference is clear: at that point, the feds can go....kiss themselves.
 
That's no good. I live near the Parkway and it's one of the most dangerous places for travel especially on bike or foot. I am a cyclists and I won't ride on it because several people here locally have been abducted/kidnapped, killed, raped, etc. I know I'd want some sort of protection if I were traveling it.
 
Utah has mandatory disclosure to LEOs. Failure to disclose is an infraction. Carrying in a National Park is a misdemeanor. Seems like a no-brainer.

Plus, I doubt they could get you for the failure to disclose as it requires self-incrimination.
 
I will in no way shape or form disarm while driving on a public road through a park. If I enter the park to use the park as a park and not a way of getting from point A-B outside of the park, I'd follow the law about not carrying. Following this logic I could not walk on a sidewalk in front of a store that is posted.
 
Those who live within the national parks own their property. It is their private property and they may carry as they wish while on their private property and they may defend their homes as anyone else may, BUT as soon as they leave their private property and take to the roads and other public areas within the parks, they are bound by the same laws as those individuals just passing through. Many individuals own private property within our nationals parks and national forests and their rights are not diminished while on their property
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Negative Houston. Please go here and read the associated links from the Guns in Dinosaur NM from Moffat County Sheriff's office.

The NPS ban is not only in effect there, but, on adjacent lands as well, and it affects private property within or on the border... According to them anyway. The NPS applies it's rules equally on private property within the boundaries of a National Park, monument or other NPS managed lands. They claim "adjacent" regulatory authority as well, but I haven't found verified instances when they have prosecuted an adjacent property holder.

These are but a few reasons ladies and gents of THR that VCDL has been fighting to get this regulation amended to assimilate the state law of the Park location. Not the Rube-Kempthorne charlie foxtrot that DOI is proposing.

I know some of you are pointing to signage, however, what percentage of the population do you think knows, reads or even comprehends the CFR? If you read the FULL Lofton opinion, you'll realize that in all likelihood the NPS staff at Oxon Hill perjured themselves. Lofton's atty. had pictures showing no notice but the rangers said "no, it's there and it was"... Further, Lofton's 4th US circuit holding also pointed out that Lofton did not raise a due process claim which is still hanging out there apparently.

Please folks, if you haven't already done so, or if your family & friends haven't done so, take the time to comment on the DOI proposed weapons regulation amendment.

http://www.bighammer.net/Frame-24-timelinepage24.html#05/01/08

It's very important that we get everyone we can to help us.
 
Here's a possible defense, If stopped in a national park, a quick check of the tag will reveal the owner of the vehicle to be a CCW holder. Knowing this, if the officer asks any questions regarding carrying a weapon (provided he does not see one) shouldn't Miranda apply?
 
failed to completely stop at a stop sign

If ya look for trouble ya might find it.

And the moral of the story… it wasn’t a go sign..
 
Wait a minute.... I just re-read the original post and realized this guy WAS in VA (I was thinking NC). The VA law I linked to above explicitly says CHL is OK in a National Forest (see section G).

So, VA says its ok but conflicts with the Federal law?

If so, we need to get handguncarry.us to change their info or its going to get more people in trouble.
 
I just re-read the original post and realized this guy WAS in VA (I was thinking NC). The VA law I linked to above explicitly says CHL is OK in a National Forest (see section G).

So, VA says its ok but conflicts with the Federal law?
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Thread's getting kinda confusing (not going to go back and try to sort it out in case I missed something)...but don't confuse National FORESTS with National PARKS.
Unless something's changed:
National FOREST laws mirror the state in which they're located.
National PARK laws are FEDERAL laws.

And as has been reported...be careful...if you are in a National FOREST, you may wander onto a concession/attraction etc that's run by the National PARK Service (PARK attraction located within National FOREST). If you do, you may be under National PARK laws once you set foot inside the door!
You need to keep yur eyes peeled for those National PARK Service signs for anything you visit within a National FOREST.

Folks are trying to get the law changed for National PARKS-if not to allow CC at all National PARKS, at least to change the law where National PARK laws will mirror the state in which the PARK is located (as is now the case with National FOREST gun laws).

'Course, you do realize I'm not a lawyer?
(I only play one on the Internet) :D
 
Ah, Blur, thanks for straightening that out.

Anyone know what the punishment is? It doesn't look like the guy has been sentenced yet.

National Park code says that the penalty for breaking section 2 (the firearms part) is a fine and up to 6 months:

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/julqtr/36cfr1.3.htm

However, we all know that some things can have less than a year sentence and still be felonies.

So I wonder which it is in this case?
 
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