VA - More on Open Carry - Some good, some flak (or is it "flake"?)

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Good: (But the story is not yet up on the paper's July 18 link)
http://www.winchesterstar.com/
Virginia Tops Nation in New Pro-Gun Laws

By Michael N. Graff
The Winchester Star

Though none were earth-moving adjustments, Virginia passed more
pro-gun laws than any other state this spring - a statistic local
lawmakers say verifies the commonwealth's commitment to protecting
the rights of its law-abiding gun owners.

Legislators approved 15 pro-gun laws, spurring shouts of praise from
the National Rifle Association.

"This year was definitely a very good year for the Second Amendment
in Virginia," said NRA spokesperson Kelly Hobbs, noting the 15 new
laws.

The movement away from tightening gun-control laws is a reflection of
the state's stance on firearms, according to the area legislators.

"I'm pretty cut and dry on this," said Del. Beverly J. Sherwood,
R-Frederick County. "That's an example of preserving the rights of
law-abiding citizens. We're going to continue to do that. The members
of the General Assembly will be putting bills in to make sure we're
not injuring those law-abiding citizens."

Added Del. Clifford L. "Clay" Athey Jr., R-Front Royal: "We hold very
important that people have a right to keep and bear arms. Virginia
sort of leads to protecting that right."

Among the laws, which Democratic Gov. Mark R. Warner signed, the
General Assembly approved a bill that excludes valid concealed-carry
owners - people who have been approved by a court to carry a
concealed firearm - from the one-handgun-per-month limitation.

The law also allows gun collectors to purchase more than one gun per
month through private sales to improve their collections.

"What we were trying to do with the one-handgun-per-month law was
prevent people that were buying huge amounts of them and reselling
them to people," Athey said. "But these are people, they've been
vetted through our court process and found to be law-abiding
citizens."

Athey sponsored one of the new laws dealing with reciprocity. It
increases the number of states with which Virginia's concealed-carry
laws comply.

Now, concealed-carry owners in several other states - including West
Virginia, Tennessee, and Florida - will have their permits recognized
in Virginia and vice-versa.

The law also grants the Virginia State Police office in Richmond the
right to issue temporary concealed-carry permits to people who have
court-authorized permits in other states that have reached
reciprocity with Virginia.

"If people travel in the Southeast, they should now be able to carry
concealed weapons," Athey said.

Added Del. Joe T. May, R-Leesburg: "If I'm checking your background
in Pennsylvania, then I'm sure it's the same record in Virginia."

The reciprocity law does not cross over into Maryland, Athey said.
Flak (Flake?):
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_29/commentary/30198-1.html
No need to check guns in Virginia

by Dennis Ryan
Pentagram staff writer

"Virginia is for Lovers" the old tourist ads for the state used to read. The Old Dominion, The Mother of Presidents and the Mother of States are all well-known monikers for the 36th largest state in the nation.

There is soon to be a new appellation for this old and historic place, "Guns are Us." The Washington Post reported yesterday some gun owners in Virginia were beginning to exercise a legal right in public.

The right is to openly wear a firearm in public, and is guaranteed by a new law which went into effect July 1. Virginia prohibits any locality from enacting their own laws regulating the ownership, carrying, storage or purchase of guns, except in the workplace.

Ssiiiiggghhhhhhhhh. That's bosses exhaling across the commonwealth.

Dangerous venues such as local restaurants and coffee shops are now the scene of gun enthusiasts quietly sipping their low fat latte with a fully loaded pistol.

Now, certainly people's rights to keep and bear arms are rightfully guaranteed by the constitution and now it is legal in the "Quick Draw McGraw State." The birthplace of Jefferson, Washington, Monroe, Madison, Lee and Jackson is now a place, which encourages one to pack a piece in public.

It may be legal, but it is insane. Is it really wise for people to tote a firearm around? It is necessary to have a permit to carry a concealed firearm in Virginia and most other states.

This law obviates the need for a permit as long as one straps the weapon on and wears it openly. If a person works in a convenience store late at night in a dangerous area, perhaps the sight of a holstered weapon might deter malefactors.

Do we want people openly carrying guns just because they can and want to stick their noses at people who believe otherwise? If workplaces are the only locales where holstered guns are limited, does it mean one can wear a gun to church?

Hallelujah, pass the Lord and praise the ammunition. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil -- for thou Smith and Wesson is with me.

How about completing an ensemble with a Colt 45 for a trip to the bank? Tellers would love to have customers walking in armed to the teeth.

Bar rooms would be excellent places to display one's right to carry and to be carried out on a stretcher.

Guns are perfectly fine tools for assigned purposes. They have a long and valued history in this country. But they are also responsible for thousands of deaths every year. The NRA and other sportsmen's groups stress responsible gun ownership. It is completely irresponsible to wear a gun simply because one can. In fact, never was there a more perfect advertisement for gun control than the sight of a group of nattering Neanderthals with small members, infinitesimal IQs and large bore hand guns walking into a quiet suburban restaurant. Let's not allow Virginia to be known as the land of the quick draw, the slow wit and the dead.

Guns are for self-defense, hunting, the disposal of rodents and other practical uses. They should not be used by showoffs to make an ill-considered political point.
 
Hallelujah, pass the Lord and praise the ammunition. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil -- for thou Smith and Wesson is with me.

I know it was sarcastic but that's funny. I don't care who you are.

(Two points if you can identify the comedian I'm referencing...)
 
How about completing an ensemble with a Colt 45 for a trip to the bank? Tellers would love to have customers walking in armed to the teeth.
I do this now. Except it's a Springfield... and the tellers don't know. I haven't robbed the bank or shot anyone yet. What's wrong with me?
 
Iron bar? A gun is a tool. If I wear it beside my leatherman pliers, and my cell phone. It will not jump out of my holster and harm anyone. I am sure, because my pliers have not jumped out and pulled out anyones fingernails, and my cell phone has not forced me to make any obscene phone calls.

I suspect Virginia is more peaceful and polite, and it is because of guns, not in spite of guns.
 
Get 'er done Phantom as Larry the Cable guy would say. What about other rights? Like the right to privacy which has evidently been violated by the author's r x-ray vision as evidenced from his spying my small member. He also must have looked at my college transcripts from the infinitesimal IQs remark and I have but seldom carry a big bore handgun.
 
The right is to openly wear a firearm in public, and is guaranteed by a new law which went into effect July 1.

As a Virginian for over a decade, that's news to me. Statewide there has never been a prohibition on open carry. A very few localities did prohibit it, and July 1 the law passed by the General Assembly overturning any and all local gun control ordinances, including regulations on carry, went into effect.
 
Sam Kinnison?

For the most part, Dennis Ryan goes about making his point eloquently and with a certain sense of balance. Then he says this;
In fact, never was there a more perfect advertisement for gun control than the sight of a group of nattering Neanderthals with small members, infinitesimal IQs and large bore hand guns walking into a quiet suburban restaurant.
and reveals his true feelings towards gun owners.

Yeesh.:rolleyes:
 
I was standing in the teller line a few months ago at my local bank with my Walther P99 openly carried on my right hip. I overheard the following conversation behind me between another customer walking into the bank and the receptionist near the door: Customer: "That man has a gun!". Receptionist: "Yes, and we feel a whole lot safer when he is here than when he isn't!". :D :neener: :neener: :neener:
 
Open carry will ruin it for the rest of us.

Do we want people openly carrying guns just because they can and want to stick their noses at people who believe otherwise?

That pretty much sums it up.

It is completely irresponsible to wear a gun simply because one can.

Absolutely correct!

Guns are for self-defense, hunting, the disposal of rodents and other practical uses. They should not be used by showoffs to make an ill-considered political point.

Anybody disagree with this? Tell me why.

In fact, never was there a more perfect advertisement for gun control than the sight of a group of nattering Neanderthals with small members, infinitesimal IQs and large bore hand guns walking into a quiet suburban restaurant.

Cry and whine all you want. Write nasty letters to the writer of this article. Come here and preach to your fellows TRUE BELEIVERS and everyone scream alliluia and giggle about sheeple and blisninnies...

And ignore the fact that laughable and insulting as it is, a lot of VOTERS think that way..

Open carry will ruin it for the rest of us.

Now you can start flaming and calling me a traitor etc.

WildreinforcehiscommentsAlaska
 
thats all well and good WA, except for these two quotes:

Dangerous venues such as local restaurants and coffee shops are now the scene of gun enthusiasts quietly sipping their low fat latte with a fully loaded pistol.
lets analyze just our state. walk into a restaurant and theres bound to be several people carrying concealed.
how different is it if they were carrying openly?

Guns are perfectly fine tools for assigned purposes. They have a long and valued history in this country. But they are also responsible for thousands of deaths every year
out of one side of the mouth comes reason and well-thought statements. out of the other side is revealed the liberal ideology that blames objects for crime/violence rather than the one who pulled the trigger. whats the bumper sticker on your truck say?

"if guns are the cause of crime, then spoons made rosie odonnel fat".

lets say we spent an afternoon shooting down at girdwood. on the way back we stop for a burger and are carrying our manhood extensions for the whole world to see.
you and i know that our purpose out there was for some lawful outdoor activity, so even you would have no problem with it. were out of town, in bear country, not around heavy population, right?
but does the tourist that stopped for gas know all that? arent you scaring those poor lower-48 residents that came up here to fish and camp in our state?

granted there are some individuals i know that i wouldnt trust to carry open or concealed, either in town or 1000 miles from anyone. but does that mean that the police should be called because they carry openly?

that only gives the sheeple more power to dictate their ignorance upon others. the person open carrying may wind up being charged with 'disturbing the peace' just because one person has an irrational fear of an inanimate object. catering to that fear only makes it stronger.

decriminalizing open carry is (imho) the best way to acclimate them to being around responsible armed citizens like you or i.

spacemanseeyainanhourorsospiff
 
Cry and whine all you want. Write nasty letters to the writer of this article. Come here and preach to your fellows TRUE BELEIVERS and everyone scream alliluia and giggle about sheeple and blisninnies...

And ignore the fact that laughable and insulting as it is, a lot of VOTERS think that way..

Open carry will ruin it for the rest of us.

Now you can start flaming and calling me a traitor etc.

There are good and bad points to everything. Everything we do has consequences. Open carry, concealed, etc.

Personally, I'd rather concealed carry unless I was in a large group of folks open carrying. Just my professional opinion of not drawing attention when one does not have numerical superiority.

If someone else wants to open carry, fine by me. They get the attention and I'm ignored. I fail to see the problem here. :neener:
 
Some people are happier in the gun closet. More power to you. Your opinion has been duly noted, WA. Again and again. You are against Open Carry. We got that. Now quit p*ssing on the rest of us, you sound just like the Brady Bunch and their tame socialist presswriters.

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"Open carry will ruin it for the rest of us."

One problem here in the Old Dominion is that we cannot carry concealed in ANY establishment that serves alcohol by the drink. That means Pizza Hut, Olive Garden, the local deli, a big bucks French restaurant or anywhere with an ABC ON license. (As opposed to an ABC OFF license like you'd find at the grocer or convenience store.)

We are allowed to open carry in restaurants serving alcohol.

Go figure.

Something's gotta give.

John
 
If someone else wants to open carry, fine by me. They get the attention and I'm ignored. I fail to see the problem here.

My concern is after 10 years of CCW in Virginia, there were very few places (BB&T, Wachovia Bank, a few malls around the state) that posted against firearms. Now, because a handful felt the need to call attention to the fact they carry firearms, we have numerous businesses talking about posting against firearms. The won't just post agains open carry, they will post against all- meaning concealed too.

This is going to negatively affect all gun owners who want to carry in Virginia.

NRA Richmond EVC
 
If someone else wants to open carry, fine by me. They get the attention and I'm ignored. I fail to see the problem here.

My concern is after 10 years of CCW in Virginia, there were very few places (BB&T, Wachovia Bank, a few malls around the state) that posted against firearms. Now, because a handful felt the need to call attention to the fact they carry firearms, we have numerous businesses talking about posting against firearms. They won't just post agains open carry, they will post against all- meaning concealed too.

This is going to negatively affect all gun owners who want to carry in Virginia.

NRA Richmond EVC
 
wingedmonkey,

Then we let our money do our talking. Refuse to do business with such banks and malls and let them know why. The choice on allowing or disallowing firearms is theirs to make, after all. Most (though certainly not all) businesses have no problem with firearms. Many of those that do can be turned around by patiently explaining the law.

And "concealed" means just that. :)
 
Spiffy:

lets analyze just our state. walk into a restaurant and theres bound to be several people carrying concealed.

They aint flaunting a lifestyle choice in the faces of many who dont agree with that choice. Lots of things are "constituional" or legal that I dont want tossed on me like a pie in the face,...in this case and I am a pro gun person and it bothers me..imagine how Mrs Sheeple must feel

out of one side of the mouth comes reason and well-thought statements. out of the other side is revealed the liberal ideology that blames objects for crime/violence rather than the one who pulled the trigger. whats the bumper sticker on your truck say?

The fact that he makes stupid statements doesnt make all of it worng (even though I am a firm beleiver in falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, thats still a rebuttable presumption)...tell me, what factual quarrel do you have my my argument other than the fact that I am basing on an idiots reasoning? Even Bill Clinton got it right once in a while.

lets say we spent an afternoon shooting down at girdwood. on the way back we stop for a burger and are carrying our manhood extensions for the whole world to see.

I keep my manhood hidden in my pants, not for the whole world to see. Id just put my shirt over it.

decriminalizing open carry is (imho) the best way to acclimate them to being around responsible armed citizens like you or i.

Like who? :):neener:

Oh and Dev_Null...sorry I want to make sure that lurkers here dont think all gun owners are a bunch of....well suffice it to say, if that makes me a socilaist thats OK...and maybe by continuing to p*ss on your little parade, I can convince some on the fence gun owners that discretion be the better part of valor

PS...look up ad hominem when ya get a chance....

WildwillcontinuetogopeeAlaska
 
will reply to the other ones later, but jsut this one:

They aint flaunting a lifestyle choice in the faces of many who dont agree with that choice. Lots of things are "constituional" or legal that I dont want tossed on me like a pie in the face,...in this case and I am a pro gun person and it bothers me..imagine how Mrs Sheeple must feel
by that rationale, enough of us conservatives should be able to get homosexuals back in the closet. afterall, some of us dont appreciate having their lifestyle flaunted in our faces either.
by the same rationale, one could also argue that religious propoganda should remain out of the public eye as well.
i mean, its gotta be torturous for godless liberals to see religious messages, right?

:neener:
 
on hot and muggy summer days

It's probably just comfortable to open carry,when I open carried in AZ a few yrs ago I was wearing all black and my full sized glock was invisible to most folks.
 
Wait a minute, and you will see that this will be on topic:

A Jihadist blows himself and several others to smithereens. He finds himself in the netherworld, and all of a sudden George Washington comes up behind him and kicks him so hard it buckles his knees. Our terrorist turns around, and is sucker punched by Stonewall Jackson. After recovering, Thomas Jefferson boxes his ears, followed by Robert E. Lee bloodying his nose.

Just then he sees God, and begins to complain. God cuts him off, and says: "Seventy-two virgins? You read that wrong, it is 72 Virginians, and you still have 68 more to go before I send you to Hell."

Good for Virginia.
 
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