Vandalism in westcliffe

Status
Not open for further replies.
around here we take pride in helping our neighorbors in any way, if that is helping our neighorbor who does not own a self defense weapon of any sort than we do it. Shes pulled our vehicles out of snow, and vice versa. Round here we can ask help from any of our neighorbors and get it, thank god I live in a place like this.
 
around here we take pride in helping our neighorbors in any way, if that is helping our neighorbor who does not own a self defense weapon of any sort than we do it. Shes pulled our vehicles out of snow, and vice versa. Round here we can ask help from any of our neighorbors and get it, thank god I live in a place like this.

How is providing shelter and protection to the neighbor who came to you while you wait for the cops to clear their place not helping them? I grew up in a town much like you described, maybe even more Leave-It-To-Beaveresque... unlocked doors, keys in vehicles, if you see a loose dog and you know who's it is you leash it and return it, etc. Please, help me understand why it is that you were obligated to clear her house when there was clearly no threat to anyone's life.

There are many things worth fighting for in life, but possessions (whether mine or my neighbor's) don't fall into that category for me. YMMV.
 
Round here we can ask help from any of our neighorbors and get it, thank god I live in a place like this.
This isn't really a good neighborhood/bad neighborhood kind of question. There are NO neighborhoods safe enough that house clearing becomes a reasonable risk.

Look, please read this thread. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=529243 It won't take you more than 10 minutes to read the whole thing and there are some very important messages in it. I can't promise it will change your mind, but there are some things you should be thinking about before you face that situation again.

There are some things "the local volunteer deputies and posse" have that you and your stepdad don't. And I don't mean training (some soldiers stationed in Iraq DO clear houses ... with fire teams and grenades...), or weapons, or body armor (of course you were wearing body armor ... no one would clear a house without protection) -- I mean they have the legal protection and insurance of their office backing them.

If you have a freak accident or a bad judgment call (both of which happen more often than not in "shoot house" environments) who's insurance is going to cover repairs to the damage you caused -- or the medical bills if you shoot your stepfather or your own foot or the kid from down the street who happened to wander in?

If you have that freak accident -- or a deliberate shooting -- and things aren't perfectly clear legally, who is going to pay for your lawyer? Who is going to pay your bail? Who is going to pay for your time off work while you attend trial? Who is going to serve your time if convicted of wrongful homicide?

The great benefit of the official position of a law enforcement officer (even if he's Barney Fife) is that it largely shields him from these great dangers and let him concentrate on his job without crippling worry over personal liability, medical costs, death benefits for his loved ones on the realistic chance that this doesn't go well, etc.

In the end, though, what you need to remember to do -- after the neighbor lady is secured safely in your house and the danger to her is removed -- when you're standing in front of the door to her house with your gun drawn -- is to say to yourself, "This is it. I'm going in. If all I've read is true, and there really IS an armed bad-guy in this house, the odds are better than 3 to 1 that I won't come back out. I've lived nineteen long years and seen all the world has to offer. If I die in this house, so be it. At least they won't get her TV."
 
The reason I would help her search her house is because if i were to ask the same she would help. I knew the risks that I was taking, and my first impression was that it was not a human breaking entry that it was a bear that may have ripped the door off, after we checked the house thats when we found the weird scenario of the house being broke into but not forcefully through any means, and she hasnt been there for over a month.
 
Sonier, just listen to some of the advise first and grow with it. It's valuable.

I think we have all been there. You're a young guy also, which doesn't help! :)

Once, I had a friend who lived near come over yelling a guy broke down her fence and to hurry and get over there with a gun. Me being young did just that. THANK GOD the perp was not there, and I was not in a situation that I would have been very illegal in. It made me really think that a gun is no joke, and you carry alot of responsiblity with it. Man I simmered for weeks thinking about it, but I'm glad it happened as I learned alot from it.

Clearing a house is no different. You let her stay in your house, or you go get her from hers, but after that all you are doing is putting yourself and your loved ones in much more danger. She also needs a gun! If she's only relying on you then your all in for it. She needs to also rely on herself.
 
The reason I would help her search her house is because if i were to ask the same she would help.
And I'm sure she'd hold your lit match so you could see how to pour gasoline into her car's tank, too.

Just because she doesn't understand the risks any better than you do, doesn't bind you to risk your life for stupid reasons.

There was NO PRESSING NEED for you to enter that house. If she was screaming for help from within, I could see it. If she was injured and the house was on fire, I could laud your actions risking everything to save her life against bad odds. In this case, time was on your side and setting her down at your house and the two of you enjoying a nice glass of iced tea while waiting for the sheriff would have been infinitely more wise.

Did you read the thread I asked you to read? Folks are trying to help you reach a higher level of understanding. You made a very risky mistake. Life is full of second chances, fortunately. Most of us made lots of very risky mistakes when we were your age, knew everything, and were bulletproof.

But as the years pass and the light begins to dawn, there are moments we look back on and get a kind of sick, cold feeling when we realize how close to death we came.
 
Dont worry im not like a 15 yea old kid either im 19 and have fired literally thousands of rouns through my carry piece.

wait... 19 year olds can get carry permits in CO??
 
That sort of thing worries me a lot more than a mere burglary. The fact that whoever broke in DIDN'T steal anything tells me they may have been after something that wasn't there--the woman. Very disturbing.
The fact that all the entrances to the house were left unlocked make me fear that they were hoping she'd return home, not check the doors, and therefore be vulnerable when they chose to attack. If a window or back door was left unsecured, they could waltz right in without making hardly any sound.
 
thankyou guys :)some people havnt had the privelage of being in a town so small you know every single person who lives there full time, nothing like dating a deputies daughter few years back and have to deal with him on certain livestock issues for over a year, youw ant to talk about akward ;)
 
yea first thing i asked, and tryed to find out. Now i open carry :) Love the small town they dont even mind a very young guy carrying down main street :)
 
IR trail cams, no flash, most come pre camo'd

Not going to touch the clearing thing, I was trained, but I also had a good friend who was shot in the but by a fellow deputy, surprised in low carry when he really shouldn't have been...

Pack of dogs, especially if the neighbors don't mind them roaming as long as they have a job and don't bother livestock. They tend to dislike people on there terrirory at night and patrol, what my aunts place has, and is effective (especially when they figure you sneak out for a smoke at 11 and will give them treats...)

You can get a good video system for about a grand $1K, with some work it can be linked to the internet and even give you alerts when something is moving in frame, some can even send you a frame, or let you uplink on smart phone.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top