Charts like this are stupid.
It's funny how some people see charts like this made up by one guy on the internet and all of a sudden it's an authority on AR15's...
Some of the stuff listed on that chart are straight up wrong and/or misleading too, although most of it is seemingly technically correct...
Some of the things listed mean something (like MPI'ed bolts, chrome lined barrels, etc...)... but...
A lot of the things listed on that chart mean absolutely nothing.
Seriously, does it matter if my AR is parked under the FSB? no.
Do the FSB pins need to be tapered? no.
Does it matter if I have M4 feedramps on my semi auto? no.
Do I need dual heat shields? no.
Is a 1/7 twist the optimal twist? Not to most.
Some will argue that high pressure testing will actually cause undo stress on the parts being tested...
Another thing to understand is that in some cases, not being milsepc can actually be better. One instance for example is that of LMT barrels, which are overbored. It's not milspec, but it makes for a much more accurate chrome lined barrel (better than Colt). Why isn't that on the chart?
Anyways, I could go on and on...
I have no agenda, I just like people to get what they want/need and hopefully get the best deal on top of it. For most people, CMMG, Sabre, Stag, S&W, and LMT make the better ones for the money. Many of these cost as much as a Bushmaster which I don't think is quite as good, yet Bushy gets a lot of business... Yet Bushmaster has some things on the list that Stag and LMT don't have... and people seem to believe that Bushy is great... that's not to say that Bushmaster hasn't put out a good weapon or two... But they don't make as good a weapon as LMT or CMT...
You're just more likely to get a better deal and a better rifle if you buy one of those that I listed as opposed to Bushmaster or DPMS...
I like quality, I do, I just believe that this list is possibly doing a disservice to some people by being misleading and not explaining the importance of the features that you feel are so important... It would mean more if it had an explaination. That way people could really decide which of these rifles they really should consider and why.
The chart is not stupid. If someone was to buy an AR based merely on this chart or one's like it then that would be stupid. They get what they deserve. The information is on this forum and others. Even google would turn up why some of these items are important and some are not. If someone can't do some basic research before plopping out a grand on the counter, then they are going to get the best rifle for them.I like quality, I do, I just believe that this list is possibly doing a disservice to some people by being misleading and not explaining the importance of the features that you feel are so important.
The list is innaccurate as far as the RRA Entry Tactical is concerned. Mine has M4 feedramps that are actually cut into the upper receiver, too, unless I'm mistaken as to what you're referring to.
Email Stag if you want to know about that. The guy who made the chart has posted several times to me, googled for information, but he has yet to take it straight to the source to find out... He's given plenty of effort... much more than it would have taken to simply email Stag Arms... If he really wants to find out, he will.
I'm not asking him to take my word. I have told him one specific thing that was wrong with the chart (Among others), told him where to get the information... I'm not gonna hold his hand throughout the whole deal...
I'm done with this thread though. I've made my point. Some agree, some don't...
Stay safe.
Grant, please... you speak to SA enough. It will take you 20 seconds worth of time to ask them if they do special runs of 4150 barrels, etc... Why waste your time responding to me. I am amazed that you guys all want me to verify it but you're so scared to mention it to Stag... The source is where you should be getting your information anyways.
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LOL.
Means absolutely nothing? Well, the U.S. military and their decades of experience (centuries actually) and experts disagree with you. They dictate each and every little thing listed on that chart as part of their specification FOR A REASON. I used to question things like that as being silly, but it isn't silly simply because I was ignorant of the reasons why. Tiny differnces might mean nothing to you, but they might have caused a problem for some GI at some place at some time.