Venezuelan Kalashnikovs, anyone?

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http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-russia-venezuela,0,1920629.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

Chavez Brushes Aside U.S. on Arms Deals

By HENRY MEYER
Associated Press Writer

July 26, 2006, 3:16 PM EDT

MOSCOW -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Wednesday that his oil-rich nation will sign major arms deals in Moscow to acquire Russian fighter jets and produce Kalashnikov assault rifles, and he slammed U.S. criticism of the weapons sales.

On a visit to the city of Izhevsk, where Kalashnikovs are made, Chavez said contracts to buy Su-30 jets and set up Kalashnikov rifle and ammunition plants in Venezuela would be signed in Moscow on Thursday, the Interfax news agency reported.

Arriving hours later in Moscow, Chavez thanked Russian President Vladimir Putin for resisting pressure from Washington to call off the deals, which Russia's defense minister stressed would go ahead despite U.S. opposition.

"I want to thank President Putin for his firmness in cooperating with increasing Venezuela's defense and security," Chavez said on the tarmac at Moscow's Vnukovo airport. "We have thwarted the goal of the empire of the United States to disarm Venezuela."

"Those who are launching bombs against entire cities in Iraq this very day, they criticize us because Venezuela is buying defensive weaponry. They have no moral right to criticize," he said.

Chavez, who has become a thorn in Washington's side with his anti-U.S. policies, is to sign a more than $1 billion deal for about 30 Su-30 fighter jets and 30 helicopters, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said last week.

The United States underlined its opposition to the sale Tuesday and urged Moscow to reconsider the contracts. U.S. State Department spokesman Tom Casey said the arms purchases exceeded Venezuela's defensive needs and "are not helpful in terms of regional stability."

Ivanov tersely dismissed the U.S. demands that Moscow annul the contracts, saying that "re-examining the contracts is absolutely excluded," news agencies reported. The Foreign Ministry had said Monday that Russia's military cooperation with Venezuela was "in strict compliance" with its international obligations.

Chavez, a leftist former army lieutenant colonel who has frequently warned that the United States could invade to seize control of his country's rich oil and natural gas reserves, arrived in Russia Tuesday for a three-day visit in which the highlight will be the signature of the arms deals.

He has used surging oil revenues to modernize Venezuela's military, signing multibillion defense deals with Russia and Spain. Venezuela earlier agreed to buy 100,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles and wants to set up factories to produce them under license.

Chavez has courted foes and critics of Washington in what he calls an effort to create a global counterbalance to U.S. domination. He has crafted a socialist trade block with Cuba and Bolivia, signed a series of deals with Iran and supported North Korea's right to test-fire missiles

"This century is the century of the end of Washington's empire," Chavez said at the Moscow airport.

"We came to strengthen our alliance -- Venezuela and Russia," he said.

On his way to Russia the Venezuelan leader visited neighboring Belarus, where he met with authoritarian President Alexander Lukashenko, a leader -- dubbed "Europe's last dictator" in Washington and European capitals -- who shares his strong anti-U.S. views.

Chavez, who is on a major international tour that will later take him to visit Qatar, Iran and Mali, is also seeking support for a non-permanent U.N. Security Council seat.

The U.S. government is lobbying to block Venezuela's bid for a seat, backing Guatemala instead. The General Assembly will decide the issue in a secret ballot in October.

Chavez had planned to travel to North Korea, but later took it off his itinerary.
Copyright 2006 Newsday Inc.
 
Nice to see Kofi Annan's gang of criminals are saying nothing about this huge arms deal, but just a couple weeks ago convened to figure out the best way to start confiscating yours.

Israel has the right idea on how to deal with the UN. Now if we can only get them to set up artillery in NYC to finish the job.
 
I wonder how differently the UN would operate if it were headquartered in Mogadishu.

Or Rwanda.
Or South Korea.

Or Mars. :D :evil:
 
Nice to see Kofi Annan's gang of criminals are saying nothing about this huge arms deal

What? It's illegal to buy arms (non-WMDs) from other countries to improve your military and defend your country?

Israel buys a lot of stuff from other countries you know. Oh buying from the US is fine but from Russia it's not?
 
foob

it's not the legality, the UN wants to take your gun but has no problem with
gov'ts having guns.


When only gov'ts has guns is a recipe for genocide....

But, back to topic, maybe Chavez will see fit to allow some
select fire rifles to get smuggled thru our porus border...

That would force our rino big biz puppets to secure the border and will this mean that Chavez's moonbat pals up here will start saying his machine guns should be legal? they wan't his drugs to be legal.
 
seems to be mostly political posturing, like he needed to go to Russia himself to sign the thing, or as if it would be difficult to set up his own AKM factory w/o outside help, Aks aren't cruise missiles. just about any developed country could build them with little difficulty, the AK design wasn't patented licensed or anything even if it was and USSR had design patents they would have expired. I'd worry more about other things than stamping machines and such that get shipped in with all the "AK assemly line equipment"
 
I can't help but thing that the best course of action for the US to take when it comes to Chavez and Venezuela is not to apply pressure, but to shrug the whole thing off.

Trying to stop the arms deal wastes time and energy and just feeds this idiot's ego trip. He thinks that he is going to be the leader of an anti-US coalition, but he's just a loudmouth. A bunch of AKs and Sukhois or MiGs isn't going to form any kind of credible threat. Let him blow his money on the arms market, and let his people wonder why there isn't money for the promised social programs.
 
I can't help but thing that the best course of action for the US to take when it comes to Chavez and Venezuela is not to apply pressure, but to shrug the whole thing off.

Trying to stop the arms deal wastes time and energy and just feeds this idiot's ego trip. He thinks that he is going to be the leader of an anti-US coalition, but he's just a loudmouth. A bunch of AKs and Sukhois or MiGs isn't going to form any kind of credible threat. Let him blow his money on the arms market, and let his people wonder why there isn't money for the promised social programs.

I don't think the worry is that Chavez poses any credible threat to the US, but like the article says Chavez might pose a threat to the region. Chavez has been accused of arming the FARC in Columbia, and from people who I have talked to on the ground in Venezuela this is probably a credible accusation. In that respect it is the interest of the US to mildly try to stop the deal, but not put too much pressure. A lot of our oil comes from Venezuela, so exerting too much pressure can be problematic. As long as the oil keeps on coming in the US is not overly concerned with Chavez's rhetoric, and Chavez is not interested in making the US too mad since it is US oil money that keeps his administration afloat.
 
Chavez is a bigger threat to his own people than to the rest of the world.

As he builds his military, he's securing more power for himself. Makes it a lot harder for the people to be against him.
 
What business of ours is it if Venezuela wants to buy Kalashnikovs and Sukhois ?

Let's complain when he does something wrong with them.
 
They are giving up FALs for AKs. So yes I'll take some surplus FALS from Venezuela when they go on the market.

Their giving up a better weapon for a cheaper weapon. :banghead:
 
How is it any of our busniess where and how many AK's a soverign nation purchases?

It doesnt make any sense...

What does this have to do with the Monroe Doctrine? Does it apply to international tade? Is Russia staging a coup in the Western hemisphere in order to invade the US, or even giving arms to Venezuela so that they can attack us?

What?
 
Agree with Spot77. Chavez is arming para-military militias. The only people allowed in these are people not blacklisted as being against Chavez. The official press release from Venezuela even has officials speculating that civil war could easily happen.
 
How is it any of our busniess where and how many AK's a soverign nation purchases?

I guess if Chavez is openly anti-US and he's planning on late night shipments, off the books shipments to rebels in neighbouring countries? Maybe the idea is to get in front of a possible/probable situation rather than waiting for it to evolve into a shooting war? I know the white house got dinged for not doing more to disuade Iraq prior to the Kuwati invasion, so maybe they're trying to learn? (not arguing for it, just saying there is a reasonable argument why we'd protect our interests, even if it means butting in from time to time.)

I *think* I saw somewhere that they were the 7.62x39 variant. And we'll not be seeing the left over fals or any of these aks coming in due to the restrictions on frames, recievers, barrels etc. The last of the imported kits are in circulation or in customs.
 
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Wednesday that his oil-rich nation will sign major arms deals in Moscow to acquire Russian fighter jets and produce Kalashnikov assault rifles, and he slammed U.S. criticism of the weapons sales.

Paid for by $70 a barrel oil.

The time has long passed for Congress to quietly unshackle the CIA and let them take this commie out!!

The smart people in the US Congress want him in power. If Chavez goes and the real commies take over, they will reduce oil exports (at least in the short term) and have a negative impact on the US economy. Venezuela provides almost 11% of the US' crude oil imports, if Chavez goes, at the very least expect the speculators to drive oil into the $100-120 per barrel range.

Chavez is bad, but I don't believe for one second that the majority of Americans would support any actions against Chavez if it means a 50% or more increase in gas prices.

Import figures from http://www.eia.doe.gov
 
I'm not really concerned with Chavez becoming any kind of threat to the US himself. What I am worried about is those AKs ending up in the hands of MS-13 and their ilk on our streets. This guy just wants to cause trouble for us, he knows he is no real threat but I wouldn't put it past him to sell those weapons to people he knows will cause trouble on our streets with them.
 
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