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We all need to do something to contribute, but there are many ways to contribute. If some want to contribute less, we still cannot afford to push them away. We need all the help we can get. That's all I'm trying to say
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I agree wholeheartedly. My contempt is for those who think that complaining on bulletin boards among like-minded people and buying a few magazines is "contributing" to the cause. Trust me, there is no shortage of these folks.

The one I really can't understand is the gun shop owners who don't go to rallies, don't write or call congresscritters, don't give to RKBA organizations. This is their livelihood; If the federal government were trying to impose an SUV ban or something, I'd be all over it, seeing as I'm a shop owner.

Some people are impressed by large groups of people carrying signs and chanting slogans. Others perhaps not so much.
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I'll defer to my above comment regarding the effectiveness of protests/demonstrations:

It's not about swaying the politician's personal opinions. It's about showing them, and the public, that we care enough to stand up in large numbers and speak out against it. Hundreds of people gathered in front of state houses gets attention, no doubt about it.

It's also about bringing attention to the issue; You should see how many passers-by don't really know anything about the fight going on, but are on our side once they do.

Yes, voting is very important. But so is writing letters and demonstrating publicly. It sends a message; If you're motivated enough to stand for hours in a city you hate on a chilly February day, you're motivated enough to campaign against your opposition 2 or 4 years from now. If hundreds or thousands of people do the same, the threat of campaign against the opponent becomes a very real and very ominous one.
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I did not know

I should have been there and I would have been there except that I didn't know enough in order to respect the effort that was taking place. When I saw thread titles about "Day of Resistance", I didn't bother to look further within because it struck me as an anarchist/AR15.com/OccupyWallstreet riot-fest. I didn't want to meet up with a bunch of dope smoking rioters and get arrested for being in the vicinity of a burning police car.

I didn't know it was a decent example of public discourse because the title/theme turned me off from even knowing what it was about. I apologize and I should have looked deeper so that I could participate. I hope I don't make this mistake again.
 
I believe there was around 400 at the Rally in St. Cloud, MN today. We had great speakers and it just felt great to be out there fighting for our second amendment rights that are under severe attack from extremists that want to control all aspect of our lives.

I wish it were thousands out there but I can only hope that we all do our part in some way to fight back against the people that are actively trying to strip our rights away.

Remember to donate money to the pro-gun groups who are helping to maintain our rights.

Even just $5 a month would make a huge difference and could mean that your pro-gun group that you support could have a full time paid lobbyist taking our fight to the forefront.
 
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Yep, divide and conquer. An old way to win the war. Obama is walking around with tears in his eyes telling us how we need to act now before we forget and he makes all kinds of threats that his advisors tell him are basically useless and we focus on the big picture while each state, one-by-one, takes our rights away. He doesn't want to win the big war, he wants to win the 51 little battles. He sucks up the resources of the NRA into fighting 51 battles and here we sit, becoming divided among ourselves. Yep, divide and conquer and they are winning and here we are bickering and pointing fingers at our brothers.
 
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Yeah, what rallies, indeed? I hadn't heard of any, and I troll these boards constantly (was Texas left out, or something?)
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Do you "troll" (not really the best verb to be using in this context) the Activism forum here? It was announced there. You could have followed a link I posted there and you'd have found plenty of places to go in Texas:
Texas:

Alvin Day of Resistance Rally
Location: Stanton’s Grocery 219 N. Taylor Street, Alvin TX
Time: 2p
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: Guy Glimp, [email protected]
Facebook Page:

Brownsville Day of Resistance Rally
Location: TBD
Time: TBD
Sponsoring Organization: Brownsville Tea Party
Contact Information: Terry Frady, [email protected]
Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Brownsville-Area-Tea-Party-Association/302389109793121

Belton County Day of Resistance Rally
Location: Confederate Park on I-35 (Take Central exit, go south on service road approx. one half mile. Park is on the right.).
Time: 10:00am until 4:00pm
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: Keith Lee, [email protected]
Facebook Page:

Burleson County Day of Resistance Rally
(No Weapons Allowed)
Location: Caldwell VFW Post 4458
1644 State Highway 36 S
Caldwell, TX 77836
Time: 11:00am-2:00pm
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: David Osgood, [email protected]
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Burleson-County-Texas-Day-of-Resistance/107315162783880

Dallas/Fort Worth Day of Resistance Rally
Location: 8100 Doran Circle, Dallas TX
Time: 2p-5p
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: [email protected]
Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fort-Worth-TX-Day-of-Resistance/410937885655571

Erath County Day of Resistance Rally
Location: South Side Erath County Courthouse, Stephenville, TX
Time: 10a
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: Danny Pelton, [email protected]
Facebook Page:

Houston Day of Resistance Rally
Location: The Arms Room, 3270 Gulf Freeway, League City, TX 77573
Time: 3 pm - 5pm
Sponsoring Organization: www.clearlaketeaparty.com
Contact Information: Dale Huls, [email protected]
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Houston-TX-Day-of-Resistance/334628593319598

Richmond, TX Day of Resistance Rally
Location: XTREME Guns and Ammo 1110 Hwy 90A East, Ste. C
Time: 3pm
Sponsoring Organization:Sugar Land Tea Party and Greater Fort Bend County Tea Party
Contact Information: Nancy Dunham [email protected]

Tyler, TX Day of Resistance Rally
Location: TBD
Time: TBD
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: Christy Walsh, [email protected]
Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/152009314952976/?context=create

Victoria, TX Day of Resistance Rally
Location: De Leon Plaza Downtown Victoria across from First Victoria National Bank
Time: 1 pm – 4 pm
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: Bryan Billings, [email protected], 361.935.0807
Facebook Page:
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So yes, there was plenty of action in Texas today, too.
 
Yep, divide and conquer and they are winning and here we are bickering and pointing fingers at our brothers.
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My voice at a demonstration or a committee hearing is the same, whether I speak with the support of 10 or 10,000 who are silent. Uniting is useless if it's the same paltry number of us actually fighting the battles.

Moral support doesn't put boots on the ground.

That was the point of this thread. Like I said, I have tried motivating people in many ways, and my options have been whittled down to shaming or bribing those who, this late in the game, still aren't in the fray. I don't have the capital to bribe.

No, I'm not trying to cause dissension among gun owners. I'm trying to get people to understand that it is up to each and every one of us, and if we don't have enough people on the front lines, we are going to lose this fight. I don't know what the requisite number is, but it's more than there are right now.

I need your help. All of you. I'm at the limits of my means, both financially and in regards to time. I am not independently wealthy, I cannot fly to DC and pester my reps there in person. I cannot pay for full page ads and radio time. I cannot buy a politician's "NO" vote. If I could do more, I would. But I'm just one working class man. This makes me insignificant. But millions of working class men & women fighting for the same cause are NOT insignificant.
 
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No, I'm not trying to cause dissension among gun owners. I'm trying to get people to understand that it is up to each and every one of us, and if we don't have enough people on the front lines, we are going to lose this fight. I don't know what the requisite number is, but it's more than there are right now.
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I'm not "picking" on the topic. Actually, it is very well worded. However, it is worded out of frustration and without empathy. Everyone supports the cause in different ways, just like a battlefield battle. Some are on the front lines, some bring in the ammo, others haul out the wounded, others sit in safety and plan strategies while others are scouting or watching the rear. My point is, some march and some donate money to the causes because they can't march. Some write snail mail, some email, some call and others attend local meetings. Everybody has their own way of contributing and saying one way is better than another is not fair or right. We all do what we can to help the cause. The only people I have no sympathy for are the ones who don't vote and they cry the loudest when the "wrong" guy wins.

Marches and protests, no matter the cause, are suspect at best. I've seen countless of them for different causes and the politicians don't give any weight to them and the news will cover it with the angle they support. A pro-gun rally can have 10-1 in favor of the pro-gun support in attendence and the news will show 4 anti-gun speeches or signs to 1 pro-gun speech or sign. The best example of these types of rallys is a recent rally in DC when the NRA came out and asked that we didn't show up in camo gear or tacticool outfits so we don't appear to be gun nuts and hurt our cause. I guess it's ok to protest but don't scare the others by dressing scary? Really? If you're old enough to remember the anti-Viet Nam protests and sit-ins then you're old enough to remember they didn't do a thing in the minds of the officials. They were a waste of time except for those who wanted a reason to party and socialize.
 
Getting a bit testy are we? Can't blame you too much.

While I was there there were about 800 present. Weather was pleasant, and the much reported 2 PM blizzard has been moved out 12 hours.

We had 2 legislators, and several inspiring speakers. Encouragement was offered even though the outcome is very much in doubt. The governor is having second thoughts about losing 1000 jobs plus tax revenue, and evidence is piling up that the laws in question were dropped on us from MAIG and are not locally produced. Also the Dems are dropping the gaffes this time.

We need to be questioning our Senators as to whom they serve: Us or Mikey Bloomberg.

Thanks to those of you who went to the town hall meetings. You probably did more good than we did at the capitol, after all the capitol is empty on a Saturday. The media was there but very low key. OTOH the OFA rally scheduled for yesterday doesn't seem to have attracted anyone at all so if we only get passing reference, we win.

Castigate the Dems for carrying Bloombergs laws. Ask them if they're getting Bloombergs money. Ask them if they'd rather live in New York. Keep the pressure on to the bitter end.

And quit your bickering. Don't make me stop this car.:D
 
While I was there there were about 800 present. Weather was pleasant, and the much reported 2 PM blizzard has been moved out 12 hours.
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Umm.....the rally was officially 11-1, I was there 9:30-2. At no point during that time was there anywhere near 800 people. I wish there had been.

I left when a couple people from another group protesting the imprisonment of Bradley Manning started taunting the police on the corner. This crowd had intermixed with the resistance group, and I did not want to be associated with that kind of activity.

There were fewer at this rally than the one on the 8th.

Yes, the weather was pretty agreeable for February. Cool, but not unpleasant if you were dressed appropriately. I'm glad it wasn't slated for tomorrow, with 23* & snow forecasted.
 
Living in Texas I sometimes take it for granted what the other folks have to go through....
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That's a mistake. Remember, before this latest push, Colorado's gun laws were less restrictive than Texas'.

That smug "thank gawd I live in Texas" attitude can lull you into a false sense of security. You better bet it can happen to you. It's happening here...
 
MachIVshooter said:
Umm.....the rally was officially 11-1, I was there 9:30-2. At no point during that time was there anywhere near 800 people. I wish there had been.

I left when a couple people from another group protesting the imprisonment of Bradley Manning started taunting the police on the corner. This crowd had intermixed with the resistance group, and I did not want to be associated with that kind of activity.

There were fewer at this rally than the one on the 8th.

Yes, the weather was pretty agreeable for February. Cool, but not unpleasant if you were dressed appropriately. I'm glad it wasn't slated for tomorrow, with 23* & snow forecasted.
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As an interesting aside, Bradley Manning is a huge hero to the marxist democratic party base, absolutely huge. America has tumbled low indeed.
 
Larry Ashcraft said:
That's a mistake. Remember, before this latest push, Colorado's gun laws were less restrictive than Texas'.

That smug "thank gawd I live in Texas" attitude can lull you into a false sense of security. You better bet it can happen to you. It's happening here...
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I really don't think so. There is a whole different mindset in the Texas legislature here, than is there.
 
I wasn’t at the rally but I and a bunch of others were at a town hall meeting with State Senator Jeanne Nicholson. I didn’t count but it was crowded enough that even showing up early I wasn’t able to get into the room where they were holding it.

I know there were other town hall meetings in other towns as well today.
 
This incident (the poor attendance at the Colorado state capitol rally) proves the axiom that it's better not to have a rally/demonstration at all than to have one that's poorly attended. A poorly attended rally proves your weakness, whereas no rally at all leaves the other side guessing. The corollary of this is that these events have to be meticulously planned; they can't be spur-of-the-moment or left to chance. (If it's any consolation, the antigunners are just as inept at this sort of thing.)
 
the antigunners are just as inept at this sort of thing.
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Except Obama. He is an experienced community organizer. He knows that you get people to events like this the same way you get them to vote: Put them on a bus, drive them there and buy their lunch.
 
buck460XVR said:
But we also can't assume just because everyone in the gun community wasn't at the rally, that those that weren't there were sluffin' off or lazy. There are many battles on different days. You don't see a Normandy Invasion vet telling a Iwo vet he was lazy and didn't care cause he wasn't in France on D-Day. Same here. While I'm sure there are many folks that will sit back, do nothing and then, when they lose some sort of firearm privilege, scream like a little girl. That happens all the time....part of human nature. But making attacks against folks with similar passions and community for reasons as foolish as this thread, does little to cement that community. It just divides us and makes us more vulnerable.



Again, the assumption is being made that just cause some folks weren't involved today, that they are or have been doing nothing. I spend twenty nights a year teaching gun safety to youths in the area. Am I doing nothing to promote responsible gun ownership and the shooting sports because I didn't stand along side a road somewhere ONE afternoon with a sign in my hands? Exactly what did I screw up and now hafta own? Do you criticize and get on your boy's case for not getting his chores done because he was in school all day? No....you give him a chance to get them done when he gets home. You do that cause you know what his schedule and other life activities are. You know none of this about other members here.....you just automatically assume they are doing nothing and you are doing more. You are dividing the ranks without any knowledge why.
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This argument is being directed at the type of response that was given early in this thread. The OP's post specifically stated that obviously some people would not be able to attend for various reasons and there are of course good reasons for not going....The lash back in this thread was really to the "ho-hum" cop-out attitude that was shown. Sarcastically stating that "yeah how dare us have jobs families and lives", is a blatant slap in the face to those that made the effort to take time off, that also have "jobs families and lives", and go and back up what they so vocally talk about in the internet. Back you your talk with actions.
 
Gaiudo said:
If you're feeling somehow offended at MachIVshooter... that's too bad. I don't hear him specifically blaming you. It's important to hold the broader shooting community accountable. There's a difference between placing blame and raising awareness.

If only 200 people showed up from the entire Denver area, that's appalling, and we should be trying to motivate and activate that community.
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The people that are offended are the ones that know he struck a nerve by stating what he did and in turn feel responsible...however, when faced with accepting that responsibility, some choose to blame and deflect, instead of shouldering it and doing their part to take responsibility. People that believe in the second amendment need to start shouldering the responsibility with supporting that belief. "Faith without works (action) is dead."

I can only imagine the impact that could be had if everyone that BELIEVED in their 2a rights actually took ACTION on those beliefs. Such a small fraction actually do anything other than bicker and complain. Then they wonder why their rights just keep slipping away.
 
As an interesting aside, Bradley Manning is a huge hero to the marxist democratic party base, absolutely huge. America has tumbled low indeed.
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Not to derail my own thread, but while he may be a vile criminal, he still deserves due process.

If he is found guilty of treason in a court of law, then he will own his sentence. As long as the federal government is denying him his 6th, 7th and 8th amendment rights, they are the traitors.

No, I am not an expert on the case. I just know that such abuses under the patriot act are intolerable. It could be any one of us, for any reason they can dream up. "Oh, you have 20 ARs and 100,000 rounds of ammunition? You're stocking up for an insurrection. Off to jail you go, no trial, no bail. Just bars, indefinitely."
 
hso said:
Dunno.

Maybe Activism is boring to most folks.
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I'll make a point to start scanning it periodically. I can't believe I missed something like this. I guess I figured with IGOLD coming up here in IL, in a week and a half, there wouldn't be anything I'd need to keep an eye on. I spent most of Friday watching the Judicial committee hearing in Chicago and writing reps in IL about HB997 here.

Speaking of partisan. The group that did the LAST rally has a facebook page that I keep an eye on. They didn't mention anything about this on there. Are there TWO different groups doing these rally's????

Illinois State Rifle Association didn't mention anything at all about it either.

I think a problem bigger than people not showing up is the big groups not even ATTEMPTING to work together. It's almost like they're all afraid of working together.

(Side note: I've been spending most of my time on here this last week in the reloading forum trying to help answer questions. Been a little busy in there lately....)
 
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